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Replace our economy crippling federal taxes
Juneau Empire . Com ^ | 4/8/06 | DONALD N. ANDERSON and WILEY BROOKS

Posted on 04/09/2006 7:42:37 AM PDT by Eaglewatcher

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To: tpaine
Consume wisely! -- Save and invest what you can.
Mind your own business, I'll do what I want with my money, thank you.

After I save and invest what do I do with it?...Look at it, count it or... consume!...

(paraphrasing your own words) What do YOU want to tax to make less of/destroy... "consumption"

21 posted on 04/09/2006 4:50:17 PM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lies. (no it's not a mistake)
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To: tpaine; Always Right; Your Nightmare; Dimples; lewislynn; balrog666; robertpaulsen
None of the above 'pro income tax' people can explain ~why~ they want our present insane system to continue. Could it be that they all have some sort of vested interest in business as usual, and don't care if this Republic is on the road to serfdom? --

If the FairTax is such a great idea, why do its proponents have to misrepresent it in order to try to gain supporters?

And why do they have to demonize those who honestly disagree with their plan, and make incorrect statements alleging that these opponents are acting for some terrible secret reason?

Personally having just sent in my final gigantic payment to the IRS for my 2005 taxes, I would pay less under the FairTax at the outset. But I happen to believe that the plan would do serious damage to our economy and likely cause the end of whatever political party is stupid enough to make such as rash modification.

This FairTax pipe dream has zero chance of passing.

22 posted on 04/09/2006 4:51:30 PM PDT by RobFromGa (In decline, the Old Media gets more shrill, thrashing about like a dinosaur caught in the tar pits.)
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To: Your Nightmare

It's only exaggeration to those like you, blind to the economic reality of taxing income..


23 posted on 04/09/2006 4:55:46 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: lewislynn
lynn wrote:

Mind your own business, I'll do what I want with my money, thank you.

Gladly; -- an income tax minds your business, while a fairtax would let you do what you want with ALL of your money..

After I save and invest what do I do with it?...Look at it, count it or... consume!... (paraphrasing your own words) What do YOU want to tax to make less of/destroy... "consumption"

Tax consumption as little as possible, but fairly. -- No exceptions.

24 posted on 04/09/2006 5:11:09 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: RobFromGa
None of the above 'pro income tax' people can explain ~why~ they want our present insane system to continue.

Could it be that they all have some sort of vested interest in business as usual, and don't care if this Republic is on the road to serfdom?

Rob:
-- If the FairTax is such a great idea, why do its proponents have to misrepresent it in order to try to gain supporters?

You ~imagine~ it's being 'misrepresented', because you have an interest in doing so.

And why do they have to demonize those who honestly disagree with their plan, and make incorrect statements alleging that these opponents are acting for some terrible secret reason?

Get real, no one is "demonizing" you. I'm sure you have a perfectly normal reason for your opposition, -- Probably like making a living.

Personally having just sent in my final gigantic payment to the IRS for my 2005 taxes, I would pay less under the FairTax at the outset. But I happen to believe that the plan would do serious damage to our economy
[unsupported 'belief']
and likely cause the end of whatever political party is stupid enough to make such as rash modification.

Irrational. If it passed, the party responsible would be the hero's.

This FairTax pipe dream has zero chance of passing.

So said the beer barons, just before 1919.

25 posted on 04/09/2006 5:28:54 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
You two are so frantic to defend the status quo that you forget our present tax structure is insane. Our Republic is in an economic toilet, and you fellas are in there too, with your eyes shut, blindly blowing bubbles in sewage you see as 'a good thing'. Wake up and smell the stink of income tax socialism.

Wake up and quit smelling your own farts, tpaine. The rest of the world is going FLAT TAX and it is working, so why risk the entire US economy on an idea that hasn't even undergone peer review by economists?

26 posted on 04/09/2006 6:03:53 PM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: tpaine
It's only exaggeration to those like you, blind to the economic reality of taxing income..
Sorta makes you wonder how we got to be what we are....Oh that's right in your words we're a toilet.

It's not the income tax that put you in an economic toilet it's your wages and benefits.

27 posted on 04/09/2006 6:10:41 PM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lies. (no it's not a mistake)
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To: RobFromGa; tpaine
Personally having just sent in my final gigantic payment to the IRS for my 2005 taxes, I would pay less under the FairTax at the outset.
Interesting, since the Fairtax is revenue neutral and more money would be paid out in negative taxes either the Fairtax rate isn't adequate for revenue neutrality or someone else will be paying more.
28 posted on 04/09/2006 6:14:34 PM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lies. (no it's not a mistake)
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To: tpaine
None of the above 'pro income tax' people can explain ~why~ they want our present insane system to continue.

A comment worthy of a Fairtax supporter: fallacious premise, fallacious interpretation, fallacious conclusion, in short, another pack of lies.

I (we) have explained numerous time why we dislike the FairTax:

- It is marketed using a misrepresentations and outright lies.

- It's supporters immediately descend to name-calling and character assassination with anyone who dares point out the flaws of the FairTax.

- It will likely sink the economy into a deep recession before any of the anticipated economic benefits can begin to take hold.

- It will penalize fixed income consumers as prices rise but their incomes do not.

- As advertised, it will raise insufficient revenue to replace the current tax system necessitating a substantial rate increase, or substantial deficit spending (anyone who thinks spending will be cut the first few years is delusional.)

- It will necessitate substantial increases in State and Local taxes so they can pay their share of FairTax revenue.

- It will flow substantially more money through the hands of the Federal Government than today's system increasing waste, lowering the velocity of money, and creating a massive magnet for political favoritism (the prebate)

- It relies on decade old simulations that do not properly model the economy and didn't accurately predict the behavior of the economy over the decade since publication.

For these reasons (and more) I do not support the FairTax. If you're going to attempt to represent my position, do it accurately or do not do it at all.
29 posted on 04/10/2006 10:42:28 AM PDT by Dimples
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To: Dimples
None of the above 'pro income tax' people can explain ~why~ they want our present insane system to continue.

A comment worthy of a Fairtax supporter: fallacious premise, fallacious interpretation, fallacious conclusion, in short, another pack of lies.

Sheer hype. -- You prove it by not explaining why you like our income tax system; -- instead you attack the FairTax.

I (we) have explained numerous time why we dislike the FairTax: - It is marketed using a misrepresentations and outright lies. - It's supporters immediately descend to name-calling and character assassination with anyone who dares point out the flaws of the FairTax. - It will likely sink the economy into a deep recession before any of the anticipated economic benefits can begin to take hold. - It will penalize fixed income consumers as prices rise but their incomes do not. - As advertised, it will raise insufficient revenue to replace the current tax system necessitating a substantial rate increase, or substantial deficit spending (anyone who thinks spending will be cut the first few years is delusional.) - It will necessitate substantial increases in State and Local taxes so they can pay their share of FairTax revenue. - It will flow substantially more money through the hands of the Federal Government than today's system increasing waste, lowering the velocity of money, and creating a massive magnet for political favoritism (the prebate) - It relies on decade old simulations that do not properly model the economy and didn't accurately predict the behavior of the economy over the decade since publication.

For these reasons (and more) I do not support the FairTax. If you're going to attempt to represent my position, do it accurately or do not do it at all.

I made a comment about you income tax devotees, and so far none of you has even addressed that issue.

30 posted on 04/10/2006 1:24:27 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

Put down the crack pipe, tpaine. Most of us are *FOR* the Flat Tax - a simple idea that has the merit of working everywhere it's been tried.


31 posted on 04/10/2006 2:39:16 PM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: balrog666

You must have a 'crack pipe' up yours.

Where has it been tried?


32 posted on 04/10/2006 4:08:44 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

Are you sh*tting me? Are you really that uninformed?


33 posted on 04/10/2006 4:20:54 PM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: balrog666

-- Make your point, if you have one.


34 posted on 04/10/2006 4:34:43 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

I think I just did.


35 posted on 04/10/2006 4:59:16 PM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: balrog666

Dream on.. The only 'point' you've made proves up my initial comment.


36 posted on 04/10/2006 5:04:43 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

Your ignorance of the issue speaks for itself.


37 posted on 04/10/2006 5:28:55 PM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: balrog666

My comments stands, unrefuted:


--- None of the above 'pro income tax' people can explain ~why~ they want our present insane system to continue.

Could it be that they all have some sort of vested interest in business as usual, and don't care if this Republic is on the road to serfdom?

--Bet on it.


38 posted on 04/10/2006 6:34:03 PM PDT by tpaine
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