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The challenge to Darwin’s theory of evolution – Part 3
World Peace Herald ^ | October 16, 2006 | Sekai Nippo

Posted on 10/16/2006 8:10:58 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

TOKYO -- To understand ID theory, we have to review Darwinism, and its founder.

English naturalist Charles Robert Darwin (1809-1882) conducted a scientific survey while aboard the British warship HMS Beagle from 1831 to 1836. Based on his encounter with diverse forms of life on the Galapagos Islands off Ecuador, Darwin wrote “The Origin of Species” in 1859. The central focus of the book was the theory of natural selection.

The natural selection theory is remarkably simple. It proposes that individual organisms gradually mutate and that those with favorable traits for adaptation are more likely to survive. It claims that the organisms evolved transcendent of species by the repetition of mutation and natural selection.

According to Darwin, “Natural selection acts only by the preservation and accumulation of small inherited modifications, each profitable to the preserved being; and as modern geology has almost banished such views as the excavation of a great valley by a single diluvial wave, so will natural selection banish the belief of the continued creation of new organic beings, or of any great and sudden modification in their structure.” (Origin of Species)

Mutation and natural selection are both gradual processes. Today researchers have made advances in population genetics, biochemistry, and neo-Darwinism (modern evolutionary synthesis) that explain DNA mutations which Darwin referred to as random. However, the basic concept is no different from the one established by Darwin.

Darwinism claims that all evolution of life can be explained by accidental mutation and natural selection, and implies that evolution has no purpose. It claims that humans are an extension of apes, and that human intelligence and language ability are accidentally acquired abilities.

Importantly, ID theory does not question the history of evolution as a process of life becoming more complex and advanced. Rather, it raises the question of why it evolved. It claims that the concept of an intelligent designer’s involvement can better explain the evolution of complex life forms.

A drastic change of world view

The legacy of Darwin is not limited to the interpretation of evolution. “Great scientists before Darwin, including Newton, considered that the universe and life are designed in some way,” (Dr. Paul Nelson), but the birth of Darwinism drastically changed the world view and value system of the Western world.

Darwinism came to be considered a truth rather than a hypothesis. Naturalism, which claims that the universe and life can be explained by materialistic factors alone, (Materialism and Darwinism can be considered forms of naturalism) became the mainstream thought and teaching around the world.

On the other hand, ID theory emerges as a new paradigm to interpret complex life, fossils and facts observed in the universe, challenging science’s old materialistic framework that has been sustained for almost 150 years since Darwin’s “Origin of Species.”

For this series of articles, Sekai Nippo interviewed leading scientists of the ID movement. These scientists include Stephen Meyer, director and senior fellow of the Center for Science and Culture (CSC) of the Discovery Institute, Jonathan Wells, senior fellow of CSC, Scott Minnich, associate professor of microbiology at the University of Idaho, senior fellow at CSC, Michael Behe, professor of biological sciences at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania, and Guillermo Gonzalez, assistant professor of astronomy at Iowa State University.

These scientists embrace different faiths, and their articles do not state the identify of the designer. They are engaged in a scientific debate and they think it is not the role of science to answer who the designer is.

Later in this series, we will introduce the core concepts of ID theory, irreducible complexity in the area of biochemistry, specified complexity in the area of logics, and the correlation between habitability and measurability in the area of cosmology and astronomy.

Cambrian fossils are a major issue for Darwinism. ID advocates stress that they prove the role of a designer.


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To: DaveLoneRanger

where are the previous parts of this series...recent?


141 posted on 10/16/2006 1:08:40 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Tulane
"Because there is measurable data on evolution: fossils, etc. That gives scientists data...they can also observe living things and compare their physiology to records of those that came before...again, they have data to observe."

I can see that you don't know the difference between 'evidence' and 'interpretation of evidence'. The actual fossil is evidence. Dating those fossils is 'interpretation of evidence', which is not observable and not science.

"ID is simply an ideology based on religious faith. There is no data, other than to say, the universe is really intricate therefore, there must be a designer...that is not science.

Naturalism is simply an ideology based on religious faith. There is no data, other than to say, the universe is really intricate therefore, there must not be a designer...that is not science.

142 posted on 10/16/2006 1:11:50 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: scottdeus12

The one referred to in the post to which I replied. It claimed that all scientific inquiry has to be in conformity with one sect's interpretation of scripture. Of course, other groups may differ. Harun Yahya (famous for providing the Kansas Conservatives with expert testimony) required conformity with other writings.


143 posted on 10/16/2006 1:13:20 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Semper; 1000 silverlings
Yes, we are a very clever species.

The truths of the Bible, expressed today, must be described much differently.

LOL. Some important "truths of the Bible" can be summed up in the following words -- God creates all things by His will alone. Men struggle to understand that will by seeking to put their own fingerprints on God's handiwork. Yet all of life is happening exactly according to God's will.

Amazing; difficult to comprehend; true nonetheless.

With this understanding, life becomes knowable and joyful and productive because it is God-centered. All science, biology, chemistry, physics, become what God wills us to understand.

Thus the Period Table of the Elements was written by God and discovered by man, according to His will.

All life is known by its fruit. If the fruit of biology and chemistry reflects God's grace, then it is worthwhile. If the fruit of biology and chemistry does not reflect God's grace, but instead demeans God and His word, then it is not worthwhile.

Therein lies the difference between sheep and wolves; myth and truth; condemnation and acquittal.

144 posted on 10/16/2006 1:14:41 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MineralMan
Here is an interesting definitional exercise. Substitute the term God for laws of nature and here is what you get:

Were there no laws of nature (God), there would be no existence. The fact that there is an observable existence is proof that there are laws of nature (God).

If God were defined as the "Laws of Nature", would you be an Atheist?

Are you accepting someone else's definition of God or can you determine your own? Or do you just want to be a contrarian?

145 posted on 10/16/2006 1:17:38 PM PDT by Semper
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
God creates all things by His will alone

There are at least two ways of interpreting this phrase:

God is a superhuman male being who does things which please him. (The stuff of myth in a male dominated, dictatorial, primitive society)

Or, mankind exists because of a Principle which is the Source of all life. That Principle is unchanging, infinite, perfect and Spiritual and it is made evident by all life. (The stuff of a spiritually evolving society)

All science, biology, chemistry, physics, become what God wills us to understand.

This concept of a God "willing" us to do things is just a step above the myths of a sun god, etc. The concept of an anthropomorphic god is about as primitive as a fertility god or whatever. The Bible is saying (in a way those of 2000 years ago might understand) that God is All Being, All Life, the Principle which underlies all action. That is what we are striving to understand with science. The more we understand and apply God's principle, the closer we are to salvation and eternal life.

146 posted on 10/16/2006 1:42:04 PM PDT by Semper
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To: Semper; 1000 silverlings
The more we understand and apply God's principle, the closer we are to salvation and eternal life.

LOL. So knowledge brings salvation? That's what the Gnostics believed. And apparently, many still follow them to this day.

147 posted on 10/16/2006 1:46:24 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: GourmetDan; Tulane
Naturalism is simply an ideology based on religious faith.

No it isn't, but thanks for playing.

There is no data, other than to say, the universe is really intricate therefore, there must not be a designer...that is not science.

You're right, that goofy argument isn't science, which is why no one's stupid enough to actually make it.

148 posted on 10/16/2006 1:49:56 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: MineralMan
"You are confusing the laws of nature with will."
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The laws of nature did not arise by themselves and from nothing. To do so, they would have had to exist before they existed and would have had to create themselves when there was nothing to create themselves from -- for the laws of nature and the matter they govern are inseparable.

It follows, that either:

    i) the "rules" (natural laws) by which matter behaves were put in place by matter itself (non-sentient, inanimate material) when matter did not yet have the "rules" to guide it

or

    ii) these highly ordered, complex and consistent "rules" arose from sentient, intelligent agency.

There are no other possibilities here and to believe alternative (i) is to believe not only in animism but in magic.

149 posted on 10/16/2006 1:53:40 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
So knowledge brings salvation?

No. Knowledge is necessary but action is what counts. If you do not live by God's law, you do not have salvation.

150 posted on 10/16/2006 2:01:33 PM PDT by Semper
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To: orionblamblam

My point is SHE WAZ a "human being", not an animal similar to those seen in Kenya Africa!! You know this is true, you just choose to ignore the truth. It doesn't matter what some arbitrary classification that human beings have created to call one thing (person) or another; it doesn't change the Fact: A human is a human, and AN Ape IS and APE!..!


151 posted on 10/16/2006 2:12:19 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com)
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To: MineralMan

Asa I have said earlier to you friend: A Human is a human, and an Ape is an APE, Go to the Zoo (take your three year old kid) and ask them, I'll bet they're smart enough to call an ape "ape" and daddy "daddy" (ie his human parent)!..duh


152 posted on 10/16/2006 2:14:26 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com)
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To: Bonaparte

"The laws of nature did not arise by themselves and from nothing. To do so, they would have had to exist before they existed and would have had to create themselves when there was nothing to create themselves from."




God did not arise by himself and from nothing. To do so, He would have had to exist before He existed, and would have had to create Himself when there was nothing to create Himself from.

Circular reasoning works both ways. I do not require to know the source of the laws of Nature.


153 posted on 10/16/2006 2:16:28 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: JSDude1

> SHE WAZ a "human being",

She was also an ape. As am I. As are *you.* You are also an animal. Does this bother you?

> A human is a human, and AN Ape IS and APE!..!

Yes... and a human is an ape, just as a tiger is a cat.

Being fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.


154 posted on 10/16/2006 2:19:02 PM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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To: Semper

If God were defined as the "Laws of Nature", would you be an Atheist?

Are you accepting someone else's definition of God or can you determine your own?"




I do not define what is beyond the natural. Deities are supernatural, by definition, so I don't bother about them, since I don't believe that anything supernatural exists.

There are many definitions of deities in human cultures. Take your pick. They're all supernatural, at least in some aspect of the definition.

I accept no definitions of deities, except insofar as they are part of someone else's belief system. Humans believe in all sorts of non-existent things. That's none of my concern, frankly.

I'm not a contrarian. I am an atheist. I am unable to believe in any supernatural entities or events. It's that simple.


155 posted on 10/16/2006 2:20:49 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: Semper

> Knowledge is necessary but action is what counts.

Exactly. We are our deeds.

> If you do not live by God's law, you do not have salvation.

Oooh, so close. Sorry, no Asgard for you.


156 posted on 10/16/2006 2:21:47 PM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

"Amazing; difficult to comprehend; true nonetheless."




Hmm...Does Vishnu exist? Kali? Zeus? Ahura Mazda?

One deity or another. All have believers. You happen to believe in a particular deity. That belief is unexceptional. I don't share that belief. You don't share the beliefs of other humans.

Seems irrelevant to me.


157 posted on 10/16/2006 2:23:16 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: Tulane
"But you can observe and test one, but not the other. That's what science is about..."

Yes, it is. However, many commonly accepted scientific notions, as I've noted, are inferred rather than directly observed with the senses. That is, they are secondary to observations of other physical entities and processes and are the product of sound reasoning.

Similarly, Intelligent Design Theory relies on powerful reasoning tools that other sciences routinely call upon, such as probability theory and information theory. It has been developed and elaborated in a rigorous, logically consistent, scientifically disciplined way, free of unwarranted assumptions (see The Design Inference: Elimenating Chance Through Small Probabilities by Dembski).

When we view the monoliths of Easter Island, most of us recognize that the probability that these got there by chance or by the unguided operation of natural law is vanishingly small. The best and most probable explanation is that they got there by intelligent and purposeful agency, in this case, human beings. Proven scientific criteria and parameters for making such determinations have been developed and demonstrated by Intelligent Design Theory.

158 posted on 10/16/2006 2:24:37 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: JSDude1

"Asa I have said earlier to you friend:"




You can call me MineralMan. You can call me Man. You can call me Hey You! But, you doesn't has to call me Asa.


159 posted on 10/16/2006 2:25:26 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: MineralMan
"God did not arise by himself and from nothing."

You are confusing "God" with effect. By definition (see dictionary), He is cause.

160 posted on 10/16/2006 2:27:37 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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