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All European Life Died In Auschwitz
Israel Science and Technology Homepage ^ | November 21, 2004 | Sebastián Vivar Rodríguez

Posted on 02/17/2007 6:52:03 PM PST by FARS

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To: FARS

Somehow I doubt that Spain would have that many Jews if there had been no Holocaust. Europe really died 30 years earlier in WW1. The bravest of the French and Germans and Italians are killed because they were obsessed with revenge for lost wars and such. WW2 just finished off those who remained.


61 posted on 02/17/2007 8:33:39 PM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: FARS
Gramatical error



It should read

"Yes it is and I don't have a problem with discriminating against any group who advocates our destruction because we are not part of their group.

62 posted on 02/17/2007 8:34:42 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Man50D
You also missed the fact David Koresh brain washed his followers not to trust anyone outside the cult. The large cache of weapons they acquired and used proves they were willing to kill anyone who was not a member.

They were licensed firearm dealers. Why not refer to their "large cache" with the term normally used to refer to dealer's stocks of weapons: "inventory"?

63 posted on 02/17/2007 8:35:39 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: FARS

They just get dumber and dumber.


64 posted on 02/17/2007 8:37:48 PM PST by freekitty
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To: Man50D
I agree with the spirit of the proposed 28th Amendment but have reservations about it's format and some of its content.

Driving Islam underground is not a solution. What it needs is sunlight and exposure. The war is coming--let people see the enemy.

65 posted on 02/17/2007 8:38:49 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Democratshavenobrains; All

Europe really died 30 years earlier in WW1. The bravest of the French and Germans and Italians are killed because they were obsessed with revenge for lost wars and such. WW2 just finished off those who remained.



Excellent point.

Once the Moslems in Europe kill off their enemies (everyone) there they will obliterate us here.

Unless of course we wake up and stop them. As is beginning to happen in tiny sparklets in Europe and Australia.


66 posted on 02/17/2007 8:41:21 PM PST by FARS
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To: supercat
They were licensed firearm dealers.

Assuming your statement is correct, it doesn't change the fact their intent for purchasing the weapons was to use them against anyone was not part of their cult.

Why not refer to their "large cache" with the term normally used to refer to dealer's stocks of weapons: "inventory"?

Semantics with words doesn't change their purpose for using the weapons.
67 posted on 02/17/2007 8:43:22 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: khnyny

A few facts wouldn't go astray here:

The Expulsion

In 1492 Granada surrendered to Ferdinand and Isabella, the new Spanish Monarchs. One of the conditions of surrender was that the status and rights of the Jews should be respected but this agreement was broken and the Jews expelled. Not only that but in 1492 all of the Jews were expelled from Spain. Altogether possibly more than 200,000 Jews were exiled. About 100,000 of the exiled Spanish Jews then went to Portugal from which they were expelled in 1496-97 after their children had been taken away from them. The expulsion from Spain was accompanied by great hardship. Those who were expelled lost most of their possessions and many of them were later robbed, raped, and sold into slavery or murdered in the course of their enforced wanderings. Great names of Spanish Jewry included some of the greatest and most original thinkers that have ever existed. Some of them were veritable geniuses, and truly holy men. They included writers of religious and philosophical works whose written word is often the best possible expression of literacy known to the annals of humanity. A very small sampling of luminaries of Spanish Jewry include names such as Alfasi, Yehudah HaLevi, Iben Ezra, Maimonides, Solomon Iben Gabirol, Kimchi, Ibn Tibbon, Iben Gikatilla, Abudarham, Albo, Crescas, Nachmanides...


http://britam.org/spain.html


68 posted on 02/17/2007 8:43:35 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: Man50D
Blaming all of Europe is a misleading. England fought against those who perpetrated the mass murder of Jews.

Agreed... with some reservations (which aren't too different than things going on today)...

France resisted the Nazi's.

France (and England) refused to live up to their obligations from the Treaty of Versailles, and allowed Germany to rearm and move their military into the Rhineland, annex the parts of Austria and the Sudetenland, and pretty much take over Czechoslovakia. In response, France and England signed a treaty to protect Poland from invasion. When NAZI Germany invaded Poland, they did nothing. Granted, that was what popular public opinion throughout Europe wanted. They remembered WWI, and the horrors it unleashed. So, the people of Europe wanted peace, no matter what the cost.

Russia was Nazi Germany's enemy.

Only after Germany attacked in 1941, although if you count Hitler's hatred for communists, and the NAZI Brownshirts' attacks on communists during Hitler's rise to power. Remember, that NAZI Germany and the USSR signed a non-aggression pact, agreeing to split up Poland after the NAZI invasion. Interestingly enough, American leftists opposed American intervention in the war until the USSR was attacked.

The only group of people who bare the blame are the Nazi's. They didn't commit the holocaust by mistake. it was their intention to murder all Jews.

Agreed. However, while for the most part, they were not directly responsible for the deaths, I also blame the people of Europe for allowing these things to come to pass. For the NAZIs to take power and expand their power throughout Europe. For wanting peace above all else. Effectively feeding the neighbors to the alligators, hoping that the alligator would be full before their turn. Or that they'd be the last eaten.

Of course, we're seeing exactly the same sort of thing today, throughout Europe, and the US, especially in the US Congress.

Mark

69 posted on 02/17/2007 8:43:38 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: supercat; All

Driving Islam underground is not a solution. What it needs is sunlight and exposure. The war is coming--let people see the enemy.



Sunlight has a tendency to allow weeds to grow ever more strongly and only mushrooms and mould survive underground.

Both can eventually kill you but not as fast as when they flourish in plain sight and can take over their environmments. And yours.


70 posted on 02/17/2007 8:44:52 PM PST by FARS
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To: FARS
This is true, but it is only part of the truth. Hitler also killed all of Europe's spirit. Their towns and great cities were devastated. By some accounts, nearly 50 million died in WWII. The Europeans became pacifists, because war was too terrible for them to contemplate. They became relativists, and assumed that a compromise could be reached with everyone.

Postmodernism and the preoccupation with sex also did an incredible amount of damage. One of the interesting things is that the more preoccupied a culture becomes with sex, the fewer children they have. They abort, or use birth control, and sex is recreation, not procreation. Ultimately, the Post-Modernists believe in nothing. This is Europe's primary problem, now. They don't believe in anything, and don't even have the energy to reproduce.

Whenever I think of Europe and Post-Modernism, I think of Andy Warhol(yes, I know he's from New York). Jaded and bored, he indulged in everything, simply looking for a new sensation. European "art" now frequently has "installations", which are simply trash thrown in a room. There have been several incidents where janitors have come into the modern museums in Europe and cleaned up the exhibit, thinking someone had just thrown trash into the room. I wonder if Europe will even protest much as the Muslims destroy them. Art reflects a culture. Much of European culture today is simply staring into the abyss, seeing nothing worth saving or caring about. They like their little pleasures, but not enough to defend them. There's nothing worth living for or dying for, just points of view. They jail people for hate speech, because it puts off the day of reckoning with the Muslims, but they won't fight. Today, much of France's military is muslim, and there's a real possibility of a civil war within the military if they try to put down the insurrections.

71 posted on 02/17/2007 8:46:18 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: supercat
Driving Islam underground is not a solution. What it needs is sunlight and exposure. The war is coming--let people see the enemy.

I agree but we don't need an Amendment to expose them. We didn't need one for exposing Nazis during WWII. Although many Nazis went underground after WWII.
72 posted on 02/17/2007 8:47:21 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Fred Nerks
My principal problem with some of that amendment is that it squelches the ability to educate and inform the population about the danger that Islam creates for civilized society. It will take only a generation or two of this censorship to produce a population that is ignorant of the threat that Islam poses. A similar situation has just put Democrats in charge of the House and Senate. The "youth vote" went primarily to the Democrats. That young demographic has no practical experience with what Democrats do when placed in power. We're experiencing that wretched state right now. We can't foster that level of ignorance about Islam through flawed legislation.
73 posted on 02/17/2007 8:47:26 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Richard Kimball

Can't argue with you on most of what you say.


74 posted on 02/17/2007 8:50:53 PM PST by FARS
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To: RunningWolf
"Such a low hurdle and so many don't make it."

Many don't even reconize there's a hurdle.

75 posted on 02/17/2007 8:56:50 PM PST by blam
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To: MarkL
France (and England) refused to live up to their obligations from the Treaty of Versailles, and allowed Germany to rearm and move their military into the Rhineland, annex the parts of Austria and the Sudetenland, and pretty much take over Czechoslovakia. In response, France and England signed a treaty to protect Poland from invasion. When NAZI Germany invaded Poland, they did nothing. Granted, that was what popular public opinion throughout Europe wanted. They remembered WWI, and the horrors it unleashed. So, the people of Europe wanted peace, no matter what the cost.

I Agree but that doesn't necessarily mean France or England knew about the Holocaust at the time they appeased Nazi Germany.

Agreed. However, while for the most part, they were not directly responsible for the deaths, I also blame the people of Europe for allowing these things to come to pass. For the NAZIs to take power and expand their power throughout Europe. For wanting peace above all else. Effectively feeding the neighbors to the alligators, hoping that the alligator would be full before their turn. Or that they'd be the last eaten.

Exactly. Ignorance and complacency was a factor of the holocaust.

Of course, we're seeing exactly the same sort of thing today, throughout Europe, and the US, especially in the US Congress.

You nailed it! History is repeating itself.
76 posted on 02/17/2007 9:00:00 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: FARS

This is 100% true.


77 posted on 02/17/2007 9:07:42 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: RoadGumby
“The same? Joined? Did we 'Join' Nazism when we went to war (Brutally, because there was limited and loyal news reporting) against Nazi Germany? Get a grip.”

The most offensive aspect of radical Islam is its refusal to recognize freedom of speech or religion. The proposal I excerpted did exactly the same. Using your Nazi analogy, it would be like gassing a few million people of German descent to battle Hitler.

If you want to give up the fight to persuade people not to choose Islam by imposing your own religious and speech restrictions, you’ve lost your way. After Islam, what’s next? Liberalism? Atheism? Oh, you might not think so now, but just wait for the next rationalization for expanding prosecution of thought crimes. The only difference between Islamism and what that “amendment” would lead to is who started it.

78 posted on 02/17/2007 9:08:31 PM PST by elfman2 (An army of amateurs doing the media's job.)
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To: Cardhu

ping


79 posted on 02/17/2007 9:13:17 PM PST by null and void (This sentence no verb...)
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To: Man50D
Assuming your statement is correct, it doesn't change the fact their intent for purchasing the weapons was to use them against anyone was not part of their cult.

And your proof of that assertion is what?

I've watched the Waco hearings. The BATF's conduct in the February raid was so reckless that the Davidians could have slaughtered them if they'd been so inclined. Indeed, I found it puzzling that when the agents talked about how they fired through walls at "Davidians" who were firing at them through walls, nobody at the hearing asked how the BATF knew they weren't shooting at each other.

80 posted on 02/17/2007 9:17:27 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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