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Silencing Ron Paul's Supporters
Commentary USA ^ | Raymond kish

Posted on 06/08/2007 10:52:27 PM PDT by The_Eaglet

After the Republican debate on june 5th, CNN.com had a blog entitled "Who Won?". The overwhelming majority of comments left on that blog said that Congressman Ron Paul had won the debate.

Well it appears that CNN did not like all the comments that were left by the Ron Paul supporters because somewhere around 11:05 Central time they took down that blog and started redirecting to a blog of the same name that was posted on June 3rd for the Democrats debate. Here is the link for the Republican debate blog posting http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/05/who-won-the-debate/ and here is the link to the democratic debate blog http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/03/who-won-the-debate/.

Is CNN trying to silence Ron Paul supporters. You be the judge.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Politics
KEYWORDS: amnesty; elections; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; ronpaul

1 posted on 06/08/2007 10:52:33 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: The_Eaglet

Why would CNN silence Paul’s supporters?


2 posted on 06/08/2007 10:57:20 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: The_Eaglet
Is CNN trying to silence Ron Paul supporters.

Both of them?

3 posted on 06/08/2007 11:15:35 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est.)
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To: The_Eaglet
Ah, the daily deluge of the Ron Paul articles.

That guy gets more threads here on FR than actual viable candidates.

4 posted on 06/09/2007 4:03:07 AM PDT by Allegra (Socks.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

That’s a good question. I have not heard of any evidence of explanation from CNN.


5 posted on 06/09/2007 4:14:29 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: Austin Willard Wright; OrthodoxPresbyterian; traviskicks; cva66snipe; Jeremydmccann; ...

FYI


6 posted on 06/09/2007 4:16:19 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: Allegra; elkfersupper
That guy gets more threads here on FR than actual other viable candidates.

Fixed.

7 posted on 06/09/2007 4:44:24 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: West Coast Conservative; Xenalyte; Designer; Remember_Salamis
Here is CNN's answer:

The comments section is intended to be informal, of course, but the strain on resources that night prompted us to take down the “Who won the GOP debate” question (though that didn’t stop Paul supporters from commenting; they started adding comments to the “Who won the Democratic debate?” post). The intention was not to censor Ron Paul supporters — right now, you’ll find hundreds of Paul posts on the site.

8 posted on 06/09/2007 4:52:08 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: The_Eaglet

Yeah, that’ll be the “fixed” version along about the time they’re making snow forts for that big snowball fight in Hell.


9 posted on 06/09/2007 5:10:38 AM PDT by Allegra (Socks.)
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To: Allegra

I won’t be there.


10 posted on 06/09/2007 5:21:40 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: Allegra

Ron Paul won the debate? Were people watching the same debate as me? He came off as whiny and almost hysterical at times. His plan was to leave Iraq right now and transfer war fighting money to social welfare programs, such as education and health care.


11 posted on 06/09/2007 5:28:06 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: The_Eaglet
Although I'm a Friend Of Ron, I do grasp why they did it.

CNN and others want some "healthy mix" of views about all the candidates and from all their supporters. But most Republicans (especially Republicans!) aren't going to leave many online comments (especially at CNN!) for any candidate.

Because RP has so many supporters who are internet-savvy (older libertarians who are disproportionately involved in IT) and so many under-thirty supporters and supporters who are Dims and Greens, it ends up that RP supporters really hit these blogs and no one else shows up. Then CNN thinks that it looks silly for their site to make it look like RP has, like, 90% support among all Republicans when even we have to acknowledge that he doesn't. Of course, we should still flak these blogs and polls to indicate our interest. But we shouldn't be completely surprised when they aren't cooperative.

I'm just sayin'.
12 posted on 06/09/2007 5:34:00 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: corlorde
Ron Paul won the debate? Were people watching the same debate as me? He came off as whiny and almost hysterical at times. His plan was to leave Iraq right now and transfer war fighting money to social welfare programs, such as education and health care.

Hey, I never said he won that debate. LOL I think the Paulies are spamming the internet polls to unrealistically skew them in his favor and then getting all mad when they find out they're not fooling anybody.

I vehemently disagree with Ron Paul's foreign policy views. They're grounded in idealism, not reality.

13 posted on 06/09/2007 5:41:02 AM PDT by Allegra (Socks.)
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To: corlorde; The_Eaglet
Ron Paul won the debate? Were people watching the same debate as me? He came off as whiny and almost hysterical at times. His plan was to leave Iraq right now and transfer war fighting money to social welfare programs, such as education and health care.

Not quite a fair summary but you miss the real point.

RP's supporters don't necessarily care that much about his position on the war in Iraq. He has a ton of supporters who are strong single-issue voters on a whole lot of other issues. People who like his top NRA/GOA rating for decades, people who helped defeat National ID and Know Your Customer, folks who resist regulation and taxation of the internet and sales tax for online services, the online gambling people, certain pro-life supporters, the U.N.-haters, etc.

By being an outspoken opponent on so many of these issues (Dr. No), RP has quite a diverse group of hardcore single-issue voters out there, some of whom don't have another candidate in either party that ever speaks to their issues.

And RP is so square, he's almost hip with the under-thirties folk. Hence, RP's popular and softball interviews on Bill Maher and Jon Stewart's Daily Show. These young people like his absolutism, they like how he constantly invokes the Constitution as a fundamental law that forbids what the government has done on Issue X (where X is their legislative monomania).

You all make a mistake to think that RP's supporters are only interested in his position on Iraq because you think that's the most important thing. But it's irrelevant to many of them, perhaps to most of them. And you don't take that into account when you scorn him and his popularity.
14 posted on 06/09/2007 5:42:57 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Allegra
You might read my previous...
15 posted on 06/09/2007 5:44:42 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

Well, I don’t agree with CNN’s position of taking comments down, but I disagree that Ron Paul won the debate. I’m sure Ron Paul supporters think he won the debate, though. Also, I don’t think he will ever be President of the United States.


16 posted on 06/09/2007 5:53:58 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: The_Eaglet
No they merely recognize that having activist groups blast email their followers to swamp any Internet site with spam during, and after, a debates the whole purpose of having the forum up in the 1st place.

They wanted honest responses, not campaign generated propaganda. Once they saw they real voices were going to be drown out with the activist generated spam they gave up the whole thing as a wasted of effort.

17 posted on 06/09/2007 6:30:30 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: corlorde; George W. Bush
His plan was to leave Iraq right now and transfer war fighting money to social welfare programs, such as education and health care.

Paul did not say anything about transferring "war fighting money" to social welfare programs, such as education and health care.

Paul is a champion of federal income tax relief so that the states and the people can properly exercise their reserve powers to fund these activities (see USC Amendment X).

18 posted on 06/09/2007 6:34:41 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: George W. Bush
You might read my previous...

I did. Just before I responded to the poster who had addressed me.

We're in agreement on that.

19 posted on 06/09/2007 6:48:51 AM PDT by Allegra (Socks.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Once they saw they real voices were going to be drown out with the activist generated spam they gave up the whole thing as a wasted of effort

What real voices? That's the thing. We keep hearing about how Ron Paul spam is swamping everything, but I don't see hardly a single post supporting any other candidate on those comments boards. Where were the Rudy supporters? The Romney supporters? The people to say, "I'm waiting for Fred!" Are Ron Paul supporters the only ones with enough enthusiasm to bother to post anything anywhere? Are they the only ones who know how to use a computer?
20 posted on 06/09/2007 7:15:55 AM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: corlorde
I’m sure Ron Paul supporters think he won the debate, though. Also, I don’t think he will ever be President of the United States.

Every candidate's supporters think they won the debate. And every one of their staffers try to spin the media.

And RP, like Hunter and Tancredo, is as much an issues candidate as a presidential candidate. This is actually routine. It's how political ideas are introduced and tested in the party. Well, unless you want Washington DC to be the only source of ideas and solutions (not a conservative notion).
21 posted on 06/09/2007 7:18:11 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: marsh_of_mists
Are Ron Paul supporters the only ones with enough enthusiasm to bother to post anything anywhere? Are they the only ones who know how to use a computer?

Exactly!

We're not stopping all those other supporters. Don't blame us if they are so bored by their candidates that they won't participate in advertised opportunities to promote their guy.

What a bunch of whining.

I thought the purpose of these debates was to generate some enthusiasm among GOP voters. Then people complain because RP can do it. Just like Howard Dean's folk did in '04.
22 posted on 06/09/2007 7:21:04 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: marsh_of_mists
We keep hearing about how Ron Paul spam is swamping everything, but I don't see hardly a single post supporting any other candidate on those comments boards

Looks like those crazy Ron Paul supporters are "spamming" the Ron Paul campaign with contributions now, too. Silly people! They think they can "spam" with their money!

23 posted on 06/09/2007 10:11:46 AM PDT by I_want_Liberty
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To: George W. Bush
CNN and others want some "healthy mix" of views about all the candidates and from all their supporters. But most Republicans (especially Republicans!) aren't going to leave many online comments (especially at CNN!) for any candidate.

It seems somewhat inconsistent to solicit comments and then delete civil, on-topic responses.

It also is inconsistent for a media organization to say "we report, you decide" and then denigrate the results of their own text-messaging poll as Sean Hannity did. The last time I checked, FOX News' motto was not "We report, Hannity decides."

Because RP has so many supporters who are internet-savvy (older libertarians who are disproportionately involved in IT) and so many under-thirty supporters and supporters who are Dims and Greens, it ends up that RP supporters really hit these blogs and no one else shows up.

Congressman Paul also has supporters who are Internet-savvy Republicans, Constitutionalists, independents, and Libertarians. The latter 3 are generally have been politically active and responsive partially in reaction to the lack of coverage provided by other media. IMO this response adds balance to the limited coverage of other media.

24 posted on 06/09/2007 12:24:01 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: George W. Bush
You all make a mistake to think that RP's supporters are only interested in his position on Iraq because you think that's the most important thing. But it's irrelevant to many of them, perhaps to most of them. And you don't take that into account when you scorn him and his popularity

For me, Ron Paul's positions on the right to life, immigration, border defense, tax relief, and ending unconstitutional funding of the United Nations are all appealing factors that far outweigh his position on occupation of Iraq.

25 posted on 06/09/2007 12:33:32 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: The_Eaglet

I’m not sure any of them WON... most all the questions were wishy washy softball questions posed by obvious democrats by their slanted biased language... and most ALL the contenders gave equally wishy washy answers... I think “we the people” LOST the debate.... but I don’t think anyone won it..


26 posted on 06/09/2007 12:38:26 PM PDT by RachelFaith
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To: I_want_Liberty; The_Eaglet
Looks like those crazy Ron Paul supporters are "spamming" the Ron Paul campaign with contributions now, too.

Good one. I think some of the other second-tier candidates wish they could get attacked by Giuliani or the libmedia (including FNC). Or just get "spammed" by their supporters with donations, even a little bit.

RP can laugh about it while counting his money stacking his bullion! I think RP really should start advocating the circulation of gold coinage as currency. Not to replace paper currency but alongside it. Man, would heads explode.
27 posted on 06/09/2007 2:13:44 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
the other second-tier candidates

This "tier" system is a fabrication of the media to identify their less-favored candidates. I am not buying it.

28 posted on 06/09/2007 2:36:41 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: The_Eaglet

You know that only those identified as “first-tier” candidates by Sean Hannity are “electable”, don’t you?

This tier thing makes me wonder if Fred Thompson is just the establishment GOP’s latest entry to get the support of people not buying Giuliani, McCain, or Romney.


29 posted on 06/09/2007 3:18:00 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (If you don't like rape, don't rape anyone. Don't push your morality on others!)
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To: corlorde

WE didn’t call for socialist programs. He has sponsored a bill, HR 1056, that would provide a tax credit to American families who pull their kids out of public school an put them in private school. A 100% credit for all funds spent on private school.

He wants to use the war money to offer the tax credit.

In addition, Ron Paul is highlighting the redirection of assets that Government spending causes. Regardless of how the money is raised, government spending redirects resources away from the private sector and into the public sector. The $500B+ that this war has cost is $500B+ that is not out there in the economy.


30 posted on 06/09/2007 5:24:31 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis
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To: The_Eaglet

The_Eaglet,

Look up Paul’s HR 1056, which calls for a massive tax credit for families who pull their kids out of public school. If Paul was president, he would use the war funding to provide the biggest tax cut in American history.


31 posted on 06/09/2007 5:25:59 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis
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To: Allegra
That guy gets more threads here on FR than actual viable candidates

And his critics tend to post the same-old "Paul is a kook! Paul supports Al-Quaeda!" BS on every Paul thread too. If the man isn't viable, shouldn't you just ignore him then?

32 posted on 06/09/2007 5:29:09 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: marsh_of_mists
Where were the Rudy supporters? The Romney supporters?

It's easier to just bash Paul, especially when their candidate believes the Constitution should be recycled into toilet paper.

33 posted on 06/09/2007 5:32:05 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
And his critics tend to post the same-old "Paul is a kook! Paul supports Al-Quaeda!" BS on every Paul thread too. If the man isn't viable, shouldn't you just ignore him then?

But I choose to comment. Ron Paul supporters who act as if they know more about the constitution than anyone else does should not try to tread upon my First Amendment rights. ;-)

34 posted on 06/09/2007 11:58:15 PM PDT by Allegra (Socks.)
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To: Remember_Salamis; The_Eaglet
Look up Paul’s HR 1056, which calls for a massive tax credit for families who pull their kids out of public school.

Those homeschoolers are yet another group of Friends Of Ron. Who else would propose such a bill? Not any Republican, it seems, obsessing like a junkie about where he's gonna get his next earmark fix so he can have cocktails with some lobbyist at a popular DC watering hole and receive his reward: contributions that amount to fractions of a penny on the profits some company makes off the government.

RP is not and has never been one of those pigs at the government trough.
35 posted on 06/10/2007 7:17:52 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Allegra; The_Eaglet; Remember_Salamis
Ron Paul supporters who act as if they know more about the constitution than anyone else does should not try to tread upon my First Amendment rights. ;-)

Not at all. You debate the issues, give your opinions. Some of the others who haunt these threads are just trolling. That's kind of pathetic. I mean, what is the point of posting RuPaul pictures hundreds of times on a Ron Paul thread? I guess it means that some supporter of the she-male mayor with a thing for ugly men dressed up like movie stars doesn't like Ron Paul. Like anyone should care after the thousandth RuPaul joke or pic.

Actually, I even enjoy the trolls showing up. Especially the ones supporting "serious candidates" who can't somehow get a fraction of the support and millions of dollars RP has raised from his supporters due to his steady positions for decades. So let the trolls hide under the bridge with their RuPaul pix. About the time RP hits $15 or $20 million in fundraising later this summer, we're going to start seeing prayer threads on them having heart attacks. LOL.
36 posted on 06/10/2007 7:27:46 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

Ron Paul ping.


37 posted on 06/10/2007 4:15:56 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: The_Eaglet
CNN would definitely loathe Ron Paul as he stands against everything it stands for.
38 posted on 06/10/2007 10:25:02 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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To: The_Eaglet

39 posted on 06/12/2007 8:53:54 PM PDT by johnreed (Beware, Lady Liberty has just stirred from her long slumberů)
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To: The_Eaglet

OK, OK I give up....I promise I’ll vote for L Ron Paul if you stop posting this gibberish. Pleeeeeaaaaaase? You win.


40 posted on 06/12/2007 8:58:11 PM PDT by Wheee The People (Go FRed)
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