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Are Ron Paul Supporters Real?
Blogger News Network ^ | November 7, 2007

Posted on 11/07/2007 5:54:10 AM PST by theothercheek

Second-tier presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) pulled off a first-rate fundraising coup, netting $4.3 million in online contributions from 38,000 donors in a single day, bringing his total haul to $7.3 million in 4Q 2007. No other Republican comes close to Paul’s 24-hour feat, but Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) has him beat at $6.2 million.

Paul supporters flashed their cash in honor of Guy Fawkes Day, which commemorates the would-be assassin of England’s King James I on Nov. 5, 1605. Guy Fawkes was also the inspiration the novel-turned-movie "V for Vendetta," in which the lead character takes on a fascist government in England. In several GOP presidential debates, the libertarian Paul has all-but called George W. Bush a fascist – taking issue with the Administration’s policies on domestic spying, for instance.

So does this mean Paul has a shot at the nomination? In a word: Nah. The Stiletto agrees with WaPo political blogger Chris Cillizza’s: take:

Paul was widely seen as a political gadlfy when he entered the race, but through skill, luck or a little of both he has built himself into an Internet phenomenon. …

It's not yet clear that Paul's online national community can deliver actual votes for him. … While Paul is at the center of a national movement, it won't help him in Iowa or New Hampshire if thousands of people from California or Illinois are backing him. …

There has always been a pot of money that exists for unconventional candidates who believe the system is fundamentally broken and are only tangentially affiliated with a party. …

[H]is money and his message make him a actor in New Hampshire ... he remains a decided longshot ... the excitement and attention he is drawing would seem to be a perfect lead up to a third party candidacy if and when he loses the Republican nomination.

The Houston Chronicle reports that Jonathan Bydlak, the Paul campaign’s fundraising director posted a message on the candidate's Web site that the ka-ching means just one thing: “Ron Paul is for real." Maybe. But it appears his supporters are real (second item).

Note: The Stiletto writes about politics and other stuff at The Stiletto Blog.


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1 posted on 11/07/2007 5:54:10 AM PST by theothercheek
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To: theothercheek

The most realistic thing Paul has a shot at is shoring up the election for Hillary.


2 posted on 11/07/2007 5:56:10 AM PST by elizabetty ("Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm." .Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: theothercheek

YES

3 posted on 11/07/2007 5:57:15 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: theothercheek
...netting $4.3 million in online contributions from 38,000 donors in a single day...

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And when he drops out after the primaries, I will laugh at their folly.

4 posted on 11/07/2007 5:57:22 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote ("Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.")
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To: elizabetty

Single-issue anti-war voters would vote for Paul instead of Hillary, but would vote for Hillary or stay home if she was running against Rudy.


5 posted on 11/07/2007 5:57:54 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: theothercheek

Yes, Virginia, I am FOR REAL!!!!!!!!..........

6 posted on 11/07/2007 5:58:05 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: theothercheek

In any gathering of peoples or communities, one can always find a cheeky few who simply delight in pissing everyone else off.

I think that’s what we have here. Let them have there day.

Make sure that they vote for the “most conservative” candidate. Who can actually win a presidential race in the end.


7 posted on 11/07/2007 5:58:06 AM PST by incredulous joe
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To: theothercheek

Ron Paul won’t get the amount of support Howard Dean did in ‘real’ primaries.


8 posted on 11/07/2007 5:58:44 AM PST by Badeye (Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....)
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To: theothercheek
They are real...Just check out the grocery store tabloids. they are mentions quite often. Last week they were seen posing with Elvis on Freedmont Ave. in Vegas...Can’t get anymore real than that.


9 posted on 11/07/2007 5:59:10 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: theothercheek
That second link is short, and worth reading.

It appears (from other stories) that Hillary is funded by the Chinese. Ron Paul seems to get a lot of his vocal support from overseas computers.

Our overseas enemies are working hard to make sure that a Republican does not win in 2008.

10 posted on 11/07/2007 6:00:04 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Red Badger; Doctor Phogg

that’s a classic


11 posted on 11/07/2007 6:00:32 AM PST by MrEdd (Ron Paul is Ralph Nader for the right...)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

If it’s foolish to support a pro-gun, anti-tax, pro-family, anti-big-government Republican veteran, then what the heck is Free Republic all about?


12 posted on 11/07/2007 6:00:38 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: theothercheek
From an anti-war rally in Chicago detailed here:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1918073/posts


13 posted on 11/07/2007 6:00:45 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: theothercheek

“but Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) has him beat at $6.2 million”


I think this is may be false:

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/files/11-6-2007-PressConferenceFlier.pdf

Hillary Clinton’s Claim

There have also been reports that Senator Clinton raised $6.2 million on June 30th.

The most commonly cited figure for largest fundraising day ever is John Kerry’s $5.7 million haul on the day he accepted the Democratic nomination in 2004. It is curious that no press release was issued by Ms. Clinton’s campaign for breaking Mr. Kerry’s mark.

We were curious as to these figures, so we did a little research into the FEC reports. It is strange to us that Ms. Clinton reports her three largest fundraising days to be March 31st, June 30th, and September 30th – the three closing days of each quarter.

News reports show that around the end of June, Ms. Clinton held a fundraiser with Warren Buffet in New York City that raised roughly $1 million. A fundraiser was also held in Hollywood at the estate of grocery store mogul Ron Burkle which brought in $2.6 million. On the weekend of Friday, June 29th and Saturday, June 30th, it appears that Ms. Clinton was campaigning in Florida with Raul Martinez. Ms. Clinton reported raising $1.4 million from her 14 Florida events. Some of this was later returned, per FEC request.
• While each of these events were successful, all of them did not take place on June 30th. It appears very plausible that the money brought in from these events were all tallied on June 30th, despite taking place earlier in the week.


14 posted on 11/07/2007 6:02:29 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: mvpel

Hey, if your candidate is a liberal, gun-grabbing transvestite or a Bible thumping, tent-revivalist huckster then a conservative constitutionalist really does sound like a kook.


15 posted on 11/07/2007 6:07:30 AM PST by Hatband
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To: mvpel
Supporting Conservatives.

LRon is a LIBERALtarian, surrender monkey Republican wannabe.

16 posted on 11/07/2007 6:07:41 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote ("Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.")
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To: mvpel
If it’s foolish to support a pro-gun, anti-tax, pro-family, anti-big-government ,anti-Bush, anti-WOT, anti-defense, pro-diplomacy kook (like Barak Obama) Republican veteran, then what the heck is Free Republic all about?

There, fixed it!

17 posted on 11/07/2007 6:12:42 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: theothercheek

I don’t know if they’re real or not, but I’m seeing an awful lot of Ron Paul signs in people’s yards around where I live - and these are not crack neighborhoods either - regular middle-class homes.


18 posted on 11/07/2007 6:12:56 AM PST by alicewonders (Duncan Hunter needs to be our next Sec. of Defense, Dir. of Homeland Security - or Vice President!)
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To: mvpel

You have all that in Duncan Hunter without being crazy.


19 posted on 11/07/2007 6:13:43 AM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: theothercheek
Are Ron Paul Supporters Real?

No, they're made of plastic, dust, and hot dogs.

20 posted on 11/07/2007 6:24:20 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll. <br> "What happens if neutrinos have mass?")
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To: wastedyears

Duncan Hunter? Small government? Bwahahahahaha. Besides, he’s unelectable. He ain’t got no CASH.


21 posted on 11/07/2007 6:25:58 AM PST by Hatband
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To: TexasRedeye

He’s not anti-defense, by the way, unless you’re talking about how he’s anti-defense of corrupt repressive monarchies.

Americans taxpayers have sent foreign aid to Saudi Arabia, did you know that? Guess they couldn’t have afforded the chrome spinners on their Mercedes-Benz limos if we hadn’t.


22 posted on 11/07/2007 6:27:35 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: elizabetty

“The most realistic thing Paul has a shot at is shoring up the election for Hillary.”

It worked well for Bubba with a third party Ross Perot and 42% of the liberal vote.


23 posted on 11/07/2007 6:28:26 AM PST by poobear (Pure democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. God save the Republic!)
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To: theothercheek

“There has always been a pot of money that exists for unconventional candidates who believe the system is fundamentally broken and are only tangentially affiliated with a party. …”
This describes Kucinich perfectly. Not really a dem, just likes the lifestyle.


24 posted on 11/07/2007 6:29:07 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: alicewonders

“I don’t know if they’re real or not, but I’m seeing an awful lot of Ron Paul signs in people’s yards around where I live - and these are not crack neighborhoods either - regular middle-class homes.”

I have posted this before, but now it’s getting really wierd here in central Michigan. I see signs for Ron Paul everywhere- there is a HUGE one in a guys front yard in the middle of town. Normal neighborhoods. His bumper stickers on SUVS and normal non crappy cars. A few Huckabee stickers. I don’t see anyone else. We were supposed to trend toward Mitt, but I don’t see any signage or stickers for him anywhere, and when I talk with people, they are not only not for Mitt, but against him. My normal, conservative neighbor (solidly republican-always with signage in her yard) is talking about democratic candidates this year.


25 posted on 11/07/2007 6:29:13 AM PST by bigred41
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To: bigred41; alicewonders
“I don’t know if they’re real or not, but I’m seeing an awful lot of Ron Paul signs in people’s yards around where I live - and these are not crack neighborhoods either - regular middle-class homes.”

Same story here in Virginia. The only signs I see in people's yards are Ron Paul signs and I see them in respectable middle class neighborhoods. Also the only bumper stickers I'm seeing are Ron Paul and Obama and RP outnumbers Obama by roughly 3 to 1. Lots of military with RP stickers on their cars, too. From where I stand, the Ron Paul thing is for real.
26 posted on 11/07/2007 6:43:42 AM PST by this is my name not yours (Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
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To: bigred41
We were supposed to trend toward Mitt, but I don’t see any signage or stickers for him anywhere, and when I talk with people, they are not only not for Mitt, but against him. My normal, conservative neighbor (solidly republican-always with signage in her yard) is talking about democratic candidates this year.

A third of self-identified Republicans polled are fed up with the Iraq situation, along with about 70% of the independents and 90% of the Dems, and meanwhile all of the GOP candidates but one are talking about the prospect of not only staying in Iraq indefinitely, but broadening the conflict and nuking Iran.

I mean, holy cow! Talk about "out of touch with reality!!"

Whether 99.9% of Freepers like it or not, Iraq and the Middle East are going to once again, as in 2006, be the defining issue of this election. Do we want to charge fearlessly into another butt-whooping at the polls with a candidate who alienates 35% of Republicans and 70% of the independents?

27 posted on 11/07/2007 6:46:32 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Hatband

You really think he’d keep the government the same size, or expand it?

If you want a candidate with a lot of cash, support Thompson.


28 posted on 11/07/2007 6:48:39 AM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: this is my name not yours

“I don’t know if they’re real or not, but I’m seeing an awful lot of Ron Paul signs in people’s yards around where I live - and these are not crack neighborhoods either - regular middle-class homes.”

“Same story here in Virginia. The only signs I see in people’s yards are Ron Paul signs and I see them in respectable middle class neighborhoods. Also the only bumper stickers I’m seeing are Ron Paul and Obama and RP outnumbers Obama by roughly 3 to 1. Lots of military with RP stickers on their cars, too. From where I stand, the Ron Paul thing is for real.”

Same everywhere in Oklahoma and a significant part of Western Washington state.


29 posted on 11/07/2007 6:50:46 AM PST by David (...)
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To: this is my name not yours
Lots of military with RP stickers on their cars, too.

Military to Cut Back on 'Stop Loss' | Associated Press | January 29, 2007

WASHINGTON - In an action branded a backdoor draft by some critics, the military over the past several years has held tens of thousands of Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines on the job and in war zones beyond their retirement dates or enlistment length.

It is a widely disliked practice that the Pentagon, under new Defense Secretary Robert Gates, is trying to figure out how to cut back on.

Gates has ordered that the practice - known as "stop loss" - must "be minimized." At the same time, he is looking for ways to decrease the hardship for troops and their families, recruit more people for a larger military and reassess how the active duty and reserves are used.

"It's long overdue," said Jules Lobel, vice president of the Center for Constitutional Rights and lawyer for some in the military who have challenged the policy in court.

"It has created terrible problems of morale," Lobel said last week. "It has in some cases made Soldiers feel that they were duped or deceived in how they were recruited."


30 posted on 11/07/2007 6:51:30 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: theothercheek

SSHHHHHH they are liberals.


31 posted on 11/07/2007 6:54:46 AM PST by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: poobear

Exactly what I was thinking. I would not doubt that HRC campaign includes a third party strategy to split conservative vote.


32 posted on 11/07/2007 6:55:05 AM PST by Paratrooper
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To: wastedyears

Yeah, I really do think that Hunter is just more of the same old, same old. I didn’t say that I support the guy with the MOST cash, I said that Hunter doesn’t have enough.


33 posted on 11/07/2007 6:55:34 AM PST by Hatband
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To: theothercheek

I think they are “real”, real Democrats trying like hell to throw the election early in favor of Hillary.

If a whole lot of these people are coming from the Left, and trying to convince everyone that a “third party” organization is in order, it will bode badly for whomever the nominee happens to be for the Republicans.


34 posted on 11/07/2007 7:07:51 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: theothercheek

My way leftest child hood friend, who hates Hillary, by the way. Just registered as a Republican, so he can vote for Ron Paul in the Primaries.


35 posted on 11/07/2007 7:17:24 AM PST by thirst4truth
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To: Paratrooper

“I would not doubt that HRC campaign includes a third party strategy to split conservative vote.”

The flag that raised my suspicions is he raised over 4.5 million in one night. Only the beast has been able to do that!


36 posted on 11/07/2007 7:17:55 AM PST by poobear (Pure democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. God save the Republic!)
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To: this is my name not yours

In NH, Ron Paul signs outnumber all others. Large Romney signs are typically found in front of affluent houses; I suspect he is the pick of the country-club, party-before-philosophy set. There are a few Huckabee signs. I’ve seen no Hunter signs, alas.


37 posted on 11/07/2007 7:23:33 AM PST by hellbender
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To: theothercheek; NapkinUser; DreamsofPolycarp; The_Eaglet; Irontank; Gamecock; elkfersupper; ...
Paul supporters flashed their cash in honor of Guy Fawkes Day, which commemorates the would-be assassin of England’s King James I on Nov. 5, 1605.

The Stiletto is a demonstrable boob who can't even do a basic Google search.

Guy Fawkes Day celebrates the foiling of a Catholic terrorist who was trying to kill King James and Parliament over grievances at the suppression of Cathlic religious life during the great Catholic/Protestant strife in Britain. The rest of this sad little blog entry barely merits the dignity of refutation.

This is why at a Guy Fawkes celebration they burn him in effigy. Often, they burn an effigy of the pope as well. That's not a "commemoration" in the sense of a celebration. Guy Fawkes Day is a very Protestant, somewhat anti-Catholic, and very anti-terrorist kind of holiday.

Stiletto, you ignorant slut.
38 posted on 11/07/2007 7:23:39 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: theothercheek
I remember stories about an Anti-American Idol group who would choose the most untalented contestant and attempt to rig the vote.

Could this be another attempt at manipulating the election outcome?

39 posted on 11/07/2007 7:29:08 AM PST by WesternPacific
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To: theothercheek

“Second tier”

...LOL
apparently not.


40 posted on 11/07/2007 7:30:05 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: poobear

The flag that raised my suspicions is he raised over 4.5 million in one night. Only the beast has been able to do that!

Hillary could do that in several hours with all the chinese dishwashers and busboys donating the maximum allowed donations, 2,300.00.

Ron Pauls average donor of the 35K plus was about 103.00. Lots of regular americans giving what they could. Mitt could do that in moments by writing himself a check. All Rudy has to do is make one call to Qatar and get that from his friends in the government. Too bad Duncan Hunter is not getting the money he needs.


41 posted on 11/07/2007 7:30:28 AM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: George W. Bush

Just finished the article. Thanks.


42 posted on 11/07/2007 7:31:29 AM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: theothercheek

On foreign policy, compared to Ron Paul, Hillary almost looks sane.


43 posted on 11/07/2007 7:34:00 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: David; mvpel; this is my name not yours; bigred41; alicewonders; Hatband
I find these reports of Paul signs very interesting...

During the last cycle, when "everyone knew" that Dean was going to be the nominee, all of the liberals I talked to said the same thing, "I know Dean is going to be nominee but Im voting for Kerry." The only D supporting signs that I had seen around here were for Kerry. Despite what the media was telling us, I just couldnt see the D nominee being anyone but Kerry.

I have not checked the veracity of this but am told that at this point in the process, Kerry was at about 4% in the polls.

Could it be that the availability of information created by the internet is causing there to be a growing trend amongst voters to knowingly and actively reject the candidates pre-annointed by the National Committees?

Im hoping so...

When Dean was rejected, and it was obvious that the reason was not "the scream" despite what this forum and right-wing radio believed, I wondered if the Dean loss was engineered by the DNC by building the Dick Morris roach spray strategy into the process or whether the DNC was simply ignoring the will of the electorate like the RNC does.

44 posted on 11/07/2007 7:37:27 AM PST by gnarledmaw (It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration.)
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To: mvpel

Read post #10 and try and get a clue.


45 posted on 11/07/2007 7:38:52 AM PST by Ditter
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To: George W. Bush
This is why at a Guy Fawkes celebration they burn him in effigy. Often, they burn an effigy of the pope as well. That's not a "commemoration" in the sense of a celebration. Guy Fawkes Day is a very Protestant, somewhat anti-Catholic, and very anti-terrorist kind of holiday.

For some people, the only thing they know about Guy Fawkes is what they saw in the movie "V". 

46 posted on 11/07/2007 7:41:07 AM PST by zeugma (Ubuntu - Linux for human beings)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
“There has always been a pot of money that exists for unconventional candidates who believe the system is fundamentally broken and are only tangentially affiliated with a party. …” This describes Kucinich perfectly. Not really a dem, just likes the lifestyle.

Hmm, then Kucinich should be rolling in support and cash now too, right?

Why would anti-war leftists support Ron Paul over their own homegrown Kucinich?

47 posted on 11/07/2007 7:46:19 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: elizabetty

“The most realistic thing Paul has a shot at is shoring up the election for Hillary.”

And that, my friend, is EXACTLY the point...

If Paul is polling in barely readable numbers among likely voting Republicans, WHERE is his money coming from?

His money is coming from THE LEFT, desperate to make Republicans look bad, and most definately from STORMFRONT...


48 posted on 11/07/2007 7:50:07 AM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: ksen

“Why would anti-war leftists support Ron Paul over their own homegrown Kucinich?”
To split off some Republicans and Libertarians from voting for a Republican candidate.
And Denny is getting enough money to support his chosen scammer’s lifestyle!


49 posted on 11/07/2007 7:50:17 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: elizabetty
The most realistic thing Paul has a shot at is shoring up the election for Hillary.

He'd probably hurt Hillary as much or more than he'd hurt the Republican candidate.

50 posted on 11/07/2007 7:51:31 AM PST by r9etb
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