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Are Ron Paul Supporters Real?
Blogger News Network ^ | November 7, 2007

Posted on 11/07/2007 5:54:10 AM PST by theothercheek

Second-tier presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) pulled off a first-rate fundraising coup, netting $4.3 million in online contributions from 38,000 donors in a single day, bringing his total haul to $7.3 million in 4Q 2007. No other Republican comes close to Paul’s 24-hour feat, but Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) has him beat at $6.2 million.

Paul supporters flashed their cash in honor of Guy Fawkes Day, which commemorates the would-be assassin of England’s King James I on Nov. 5, 1605. Guy Fawkes was also the inspiration the novel-turned-movie "V for Vendetta," in which the lead character takes on a fascist government in England. In several GOP presidential debates, the libertarian Paul has all-but called George W. Bush a fascist – taking issue with the Administration’s policies on domestic spying, for instance.

So does this mean Paul has a shot at the nomination? In a word: Nah. The Stiletto agrees with WaPo political blogger Chris Cillizza’s: take:

Paul was widely seen as a political gadlfy when he entered the race, but through skill, luck or a little of both he has built himself into an Internet phenomenon. …

It's not yet clear that Paul's online national community can deliver actual votes for him. … While Paul is at the center of a national movement, it won't help him in Iowa or New Hampshire if thousands of people from California or Illinois are backing him. …

There has always been a pot of money that exists for unconventional candidates who believe the system is fundamentally broken and are only tangentially affiliated with a party. …

[H]is money and his message make him a actor in New Hampshire ... he remains a decided longshot ... the excitement and attention he is drawing would seem to be a perfect lead up to a third party candidacy if and when he loses the Republican nomination.

The Houston Chronicle reports that Jonathan Bydlak, the Paul campaign’s fundraising director posted a message on the candidate's Web site that the ka-ching means just one thing: “Ron Paul is for real." Maybe. But it appears his supporters are real (second item).

Note: The Stiletto writes about politics and other stuff at The Stiletto Blog.


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To: zeugma; George W. Bush
For some people, the only thing they know about Guy Fawkes is what they saw in the movie "V".

I think you meant V For Vendetta. I'm pretty sure Guy Fawkes wasn't a extraterrestrial lizard :D


51 posted on 11/07/2007 7:51:52 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: theothercheek
Real or not, they are spending money early and often. Driving around I see Ron Paul yard signs at street corners everywhere, and even banners hanging from bridges and fences. A year out from the election and the only 2008 candidate signs I see are the Ron Paul signs. Despite all of this he still is not going to come close to getting the GOP nomination or even moving up to a 2nd tier GOP spot.
This money they are spending could be better spent on someone that has a chance - then again, it would probably not go to a GOP candidate anyway being most of his supporters are anti-war activist or hard-core Libertarians who would vote third party.
52 posted on 11/07/2007 7:53:28 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: theothercheek
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53 posted on 11/07/2007 7:54:26 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: tcrlaf
His money is coming from THE LEFT, desperate to make Republicans look bad, and most definately from STORMFRONT...

Ah, those left-wing Stormfront types. LOL. So your script is that this is just the MoveOns, the Code Pinks, and the Nazis working together? Is that it?

Scraping the bottom of the barrel pretty hard there, aren't you?

You're in deep denial. Making silly accusations doesn't help.
54 posted on 11/07/2007 7:57:50 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: Alex Murphy
I think you meant V For Vendetta. I'm pretty sure Guy Fawkes wasn't a extraterrestrial lizard :D

LOL. I'd forgotten completely about the Lizard movie.

Too funny. 

 

55 posted on 11/07/2007 7:59:10 AM PST by zeugma (Ubuntu - Linux for human beings)
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To: gnarledmaw
When Dean was rejected, and it was obvious that the reason was not "the scream" despite what this forum and right-wing radio believed, I wondered if the Dean loss was engineered by the DNC by building the Dick Morris roach spray strategy into the process or whether the DNC was simply ignoring the will of the electorate like the RNC does.
In Washington State, the "R"s allocate half of their delegates based upon the results of the primary election. The "D"s don't use the primary results at all.
56 posted on 11/07/2007 8:00:09 AM PST by MadameAxe (An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. ~ Victor Hugo)
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To: theothercheek

I know I’m in Texas, and Austin at that, but I see more Ron Paul yard signs and bumper stickers than those for any other candidate, by far. I’d almost go so far as to say I see as many for Dr. Paul as for all others combined - Republican and Democrat.


57 posted on 11/07/2007 8:02:16 AM PST by green iguana
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To: George W. Bush

ROTFLMAO!
Nice try....

Tell me why the same liberal idiots who have been demanding “Chimpeachment” for years are claiming they have sent money to Paul?

Do you deny that STORMFRONT is supporting Paul in a big way? You can’t bury that...

The “Revolution” is being used to elect HILLARY, and to take our eye off the ball, nothing else...


58 posted on 11/07/2007 8:05:11 AM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: MadameAxe

Maybe I’m paranoid, but the RNC and the DNC do seem to decide on candidates for us. I remember Forbes making a lot of headway in Iowa with his kill the IRS speeches and Dole was dropping in support. The RNC did push polling about Forbes pro-abortion stance (which was totally untrue). It was Dole’s TURN... No one wanted the wounded Clinton out of office. He was too good a target to get rid of.

I don’t put ANYTHING past them in trying to derail the RON PAUL express!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .. He is the only conservative running.


59 posted on 11/07/2007 8:10:29 AM PST by nsmart
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To: tcrlaf
The “Revolution” is being used to elect HILLARY, and to take our eye off the ball, nothing else...

The Revolution intends to elect Ron Paul and to defeat the two big-government, Wilsonian nation-building, shamnesty-plotting, globalist CFR parties, namely, the out-of-touch D.C. establishment and media elites.

Apparently, you can't bear the thought that anyone should even have a choice.

Join the Revolution, baby.
60 posted on 11/07/2007 8:13:01 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: tcrlaf; All
If Paul is polling in barely readable numbers among likely voting Republicans, WHERE is his money coming from?

It's coming from people who aren't being contacted on the telephone polls. Only half of registered voters vote, only a third of them vote in the primaries and roughly half of them will vote in the GOP primary (and half in the Democrat primary). So you're only talking about 4% of the voting population at large choosing the nominee. The primaries will be won by the candidates with the most MOTIVATED supporters.

If Paul is the Republican nominee will you (or the other anti-Paulbots) support him?
61 posted on 11/07/2007 8:13:37 AM PST by this is my name not yours (Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
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To: theothercheek

Dr. Mercola - a very popular doc on the web, supports Paul.....just crazy.


62 posted on 11/07/2007 8:18:14 AM PST by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: this is my name not yours

“If Paul is the Republican nominee will you (or the other anti-Paulbots) support him?”

Somehow, I don’t think we are in any danger of that. Republican primary voters aren’t as stupid as our Democrat bretheren...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history


63 posted on 11/07/2007 8:20:18 AM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: alicewonders
I’m seeing an awful lot of Ron Paul signs in people’s yards around where I live - and these are not crack neighborhoods either - regular middle-class homes.

Me, too. In fact, he's got a regular street corner contingent every Friday. A lot of people honk when they drive by.

64 posted on 11/07/2007 8:21:40 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: tcrlaf
Republican primary voters aren’t as stupid as our Democrat bretheren...

I used to think that too. Then along came Rudy... :)
65 posted on 11/07/2007 8:22:37 AM PST by this is my name not yours (Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
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To: theothercheek

Mr. Hsu has proven the number of supporters and actual amount of dollars are irrelevant.

Hsu funnelled chinese money to Hillary’s campaign (until the media blackout stopped the story) and it was very apparent it was not about bundling but about “dividing” contributions among shell names.

Paul supporters have been exposed using fake email originations. No reason not to believe fake dollar originations are not the same.


66 posted on 11/07/2007 8:22:46 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: this is my name not yours
If Paul is the Republican nominee will you (or the other anti-Paulbots) support him?

A very interesting question that should be asked of those who seem to have no interest other than trashing Ron Paul. 

67 posted on 11/07/2007 8:23:42 AM PST by zeugma (Ubuntu - Linux for human beings)
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To: zeugma
If Paul is the Republican nominee will you (or the other anti-Paulbots) support him?_ A very interesting question that should be asked of those who seem to have no interest other than trashing Ron Paul.

I have yet to get a straight answer for that question. If RP gets the nomination it will be the anti-paulbots that cause Hitlery to win.
68 posted on 11/07/2007 8:27:28 AM PST by this is my name not yours (Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
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To: tcrlaf

The real Ron Paul bashers are the MSM media who only want Rudy vs Hillary...


69 posted on 11/07/2007 8:27:50 AM PST by jd777
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To: longtermmemmory


No reason not to believe...
..any babble you pull out of your hiney to defame Dr. Paul and his supporters.


You guys are overreaching.


70 posted on 11/07/2007 8:30:15 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: theothercheek

Ron Paul is another Puppet

71 posted on 11/07/2007 8:31:45 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: this is my name not yours; zeugma
If RP gets the nomination it will be the anti-paulbots that cause Hitlery to win.

Actually, we've already seen dozens of the Paul-haters saying that they would vote for Hitlery when Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination.

So, they hate Ron Paul because "he'll get Hitlery elected". But if Ron Paul is the nominee, then they're going to vote for Hitlery?

I'd think that people who say they would vote for Hitlery are the ones who should be banned from FR, not us RP supporters.

I have yet to see a single RP supporter on these forums say they'll ever vote for Hitlery. Some, like me, have declared that we can't cast a vote for Rudi (over the pro-life and firearms issue) and that we would either not vote the presidential line on the ballot or would cast a third-party vote. But none of us have ever said we'd vote for Hitlery. She and the leftwing mayor are the enemies of all conservative voters. Those two are the same candidate other than party label.

Saying you'd vote for Hitlery really should be an automatic ban from FR. No conservative of any stripe could ever voter for the Hildabeeste.
72 posted on 11/07/2007 8:36:34 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: tcrlaf; ClearCase_guy; darkwing104; elizabetty

I keep reading your posts, on this thread and others, and I come away with the impression that you are all fairly intelligent but kinda stuck in your ways. You all write well but if you read well your comprehension seems to be minimal.

Ron Paul IS for real! So is his campaign and despite your continued unfounded claims, his money DOESN’T come from George Soros. Anyone with a minimum IQ could easily see that it would be impossible to set up a network to make thousands of small donations which would add up to over $4M. Granted, it is possible for some (I couldn’t because I don’t know how) to inflate poll results through the use of overseas computers but when it comes to money, I seriously doubt all those poll numbers would result in the same number of donations.
Now then, like you, I doubt he will get the nomination let alone the Presidency. As others have noted, TPTB have already bought and paid for the next POTUS and the election is merely a form of “bread and circuses” meant to keep us in line. As with the original Roman circus, some will give the “thumbs up” to the eventual winner and some will disagree. In the end though, it will be the Emperor’s vote that counts. As to who the Emperor is? I have no idea and neither do you. I know it sure ain’t us ‘cause no one listens to us anymore except when they want a laugh.


73 posted on 11/07/2007 8:38:02 AM PST by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: mvpel
If it’s foolish to support a pro-gun, anti-tax, pro-family, anti-big-government Republican veteran, then what the heck is Free Republic all about?

Very nice straw-man you have there. The reason to not support Ron Paul is that he's insane. He has a very poor grasp on reality. As for anti-tax, pro-family, anti-big-government...those are great stances. Ron Paul doesn't hold a monopoly on those, however.

74 posted on 11/07/2007 8:41:00 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: oldfart
This isn’t about Ron Paul...its about his supporters...


75 posted on 11/07/2007 8:45:24 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: George W. Bush
"Guy Fawkes Day is a very Protestant, somewhat anti-Catholic, and very anti-terrorist kind of holiday."

Somewhere in TV land I noted an English interviewee using the term "Firecracker day"...guess PC is working on this bit of history like so many others.

76 posted on 11/07/2007 8:47:05 AM PST by norton (Go ahead, vote for Hunter, you know you want to.)
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To: r9etb

“He’d probably hurt Hillary as much or more than he’d hurt the Republican candidate”

That is the funniest comment I’ve read in days. You gave me a big laugh. You ARE kidding, right??????


77 posted on 11/07/2007 8:47:18 AM PST by Martins kid
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To: George W. Bush
Almost any chance at all that a GOP candidate has to be elected to President has most likely been Killed by the Republican Party itself.

Ron Paul may prove to be the only exception. At least that is my belief.

Read the article at the link and tell me if you disagree with Jim Schwiesow. I think he makes a good case that the Republican Party has betrayed Conservatism.

78 posted on 11/07/2007 8:48:50 AM PST by KDD (A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse)
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To: norton
(PS: Ron Paul is a babbling loon and probably hopes for some perks under a Hillary regime.)
79 posted on 11/07/2007 8:49:35 AM PST by norton (Go ahead, vote for Hunter, you know you want to.)
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To: darkwing104
This isn’t about Ron Paul...its about his supporters...


So we're not going to get the Darkwing Duck wing of the party to support Ron Paul?

Oh, pshaw. We might as well quit now. We're screwed without the Darkwing Republicans.
80 posted on 11/07/2007 8:50:11 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: oldfart
"Anyone with a minimum IQ could easily see that it would be impossible to set up a network to make thousands of small donations which would add up to over $4M."

Paging Mr. Hsu, paging Mr. Hsu....

81 posted on 11/07/2007 8:51:49 AM PST by norton (Go ahead, vote for Hunter, you know you want to.)
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To: George W. Bush
I have to admit that I have met some Ron Paul supporters and, to tell you the truth, they are hurting your cause. They come off a lot like "LaRouchees" and that concerns me.


82 posted on 11/07/2007 8:54:37 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: norton

Sorry, norton, but Hsu didn’t make a bunch of separate donations of $100 or less. He tried to make $2300 donations that he claimed were smaller amounts ‘bundled’ together.


83 posted on 11/07/2007 8:55:13 AM PST by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: mvpel

who happens to be an anti-war kook, who sympathizes with “9/11 Truthers” and is stuck in 1885 economically...


84 posted on 11/07/2007 8:56:19 AM PST by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: Paratrooper
Exactly what I was thinking. I would not doubt that HRC campaign includes a third party strategy to split conservative vote.

News Flash - Ron Paul is not running as a third-party conservative, he is running as a Republican, and not a single primary or caucus ballot has been cast yet.

85 posted on 11/07/2007 8:59:31 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: norton
(PS: Ron Paul is a babbling loon and probably hopes for some perks under a Hillary regime.)

Due to his holdings in gold and the gross irresponsibility of the Fed in deflating our currency and the flagrant dereliction in granting unsound loans by banks who knew the Fed would bail them out at the taxpayers' expense (again, like in the S&L bailout) which has driven the price of gold to $800/oz, Dr. Paul is now one of the richest men in Congress.

Naturally, being a patriot and a man with a passion for sound Austrian economic principles, he would prefer a sound currency but he must take some satisfaction in having grown rich by the system failing exactly as he predicted, making him a rich man despite his longstanding steadfast objections and opposition to their ill-founded currency-manipulation and debt policies.

Ron Paul...laughing all the way to his subterranean lair and gold vault located under his campaign HQ.

No, Ron Paul doesn't need the money. He never has. And he can't be bought, perhaps the main reason the GOP and libmedia have closed ranks to try to exclude him, ridicule him, expel him and destroy his chances. Fine.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Mahatma Gandhi

86 posted on 11/07/2007 9:00:35 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: tcrlaf
His money is coming from THE LEFT, desperate to make Republicans look bad, and most definately from STORMFRONT...

I live in Santa Barbara County in California and Ron Paul support is BIG on college campuses. Ron Paul is a modern day RFK. My kids are young adults and Ron Paul is the most popular candidate with their friends, most of whom have a natural left bent. These kids know that there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats.

I could support Ron Paul EXCEPT for his position on the WOT. These kids are fired up. There is tremendous passion for his candidacy. No one else running has that.

87 posted on 11/07/2007 9:00:39 AM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: zeugma
This is why at a Guy Fawkes celebration they burn him in effigy. Often, they burn an effigy of the pope as well. That's not a "commemoration" in the sense of a celebration. Guy Fawkes Day is a very Protestant, somewhat anti-Catholic, and very anti-terrorist kind of holiday.

The founders of the US were considered terrorists by the Crown. They accomplished 170-some years later what Guy Fawkes couldn't - an overthrow of the rule of the English monarchy.

Treason against tyranny is loyalty to liberty.

88 posted on 11/07/2007 9:01:02 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: darkwing104
I have to admit that I have met some Ron Paul supporters and, to tell you the truth, they are hurting your cause. They come off a lot like "LaRouchees" and that concerns me.

Well, thanks for your concerns. Really. It's clear how badly you want to help Dr. Paul and his supporters.
89 posted on 11/07/2007 9:02:24 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: theothercheek

I like Ron Paul. I believe that he is honest in his beliefs and might have made a decent president at one time.

Unfortunately, Ron Paul is behind with the times. His candidacy seems to be based on the notion that 9/11 never happened, which really has quite dangerous ramifications in this day and age.

9/11 didn’t refute the ideas that Ron Paul is running on. It would probably be sound policy in normal times, were we living in them.

Unfortunately, times are not sound. We are in the midst of war with a dangerous enemy which ultimately wants us to convert or die. We are at war with an enemy who will go to any length and means necessary to cause as much destruction as possible in order to obtain its goals. For a while I myself thought this was hyperbole, but reflection on the facts reminded me that it is quite true

Our enemies want us out of the Middle East so that they can seize control of the governments there. They want control over the world’s oil, as it will give them tremendous leverage in dealing with the rest of us. If they are allowed to progress to these stages, they WILL wage a “convert or die” jihad against the rest of us, and will most likely have the means to do it. Terrorism is just about implementing the first stages of their operation.

Ron Paul does not understand this. He spoke of “blow back” in a debate a few months ago, but failed to note that the reason we’ve been active in the Middle East for so long is the fact that a very vital resource is at stake which cannot be allowed to fall into unaccountable hands. We push for representative governments and free markets in the Middle East because they ultimately benefit us and everyone else. The terrorists don’t like us there because we stand in the way of their own goals.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - Ron Paul, if somehow elected, may very well be successful in dismantling the structures set up amidst our War on Terror. If he does so, there will most likely be another catastrophic event and it will be on his head. He will be a lame duck as he tries to scramble to reinstate the policies that President Bush has wisely implemented, as he was the one who imprudently took them apart in the first place.

The last thing we’ll need in that situation is a lame duck president.


90 posted on 11/07/2007 9:02:42 AM PST by MWS (Most Wise Scribe William Weishaupt - mostwisescribe.blogger.com)
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To: RockinRight

He’s certainly no worse than a liberal, gun-grabbing transvestite who is stuck in 9/11/2001.


91 posted on 11/07/2007 9:02:43 AM PST by Hatband
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To: highlander_UW
No, Paul just doesn't participate in the mass delusion. Our dollar is worth less than the Canadian now. We are borrowing money from China to pay for counter-productive wars.

Unlike the other candidates, Paul doesn't just pay lip-service to the issues (small government, anti-tax, pro-gun, pro-family) -- he has conviction and belief.

Single-issue voters, manipulated by fear, would throw a true conservative under the bus and vote for Hillary.

Stop being afraid and vote for your values.

92 posted on 11/07/2007 9:06:17 AM PST by John Farson (Ron Paul for president)
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To: Martins kid
You ARE kidding, right??????

Nope. What Republicans would be tempted to go 3rd-Party for a guy who opposes the Iraq War, and whose foreign policy ideas are basically insane?

Now, whackadoodle leftist Democrats, on the other hand.... those ideas are pretty attractive to them.

A 3rd-party Ron Paul would never get more than 4% anyway (and that's being extremely generous), and a lot of that 4% would be Nader-style Democrats.

93 posted on 11/07/2007 9:08:31 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Martins kid
“He’d probably hurt Hillary as much or more than he’d hurt the Republican candidate”

That is the funniest comment I’ve read in days. You gave me a big laugh. You ARE kidding, right??????

Over a third of self-identified Republicans oppose the Iraq situation according to a national poll. Over seventy percent of independents do, and 90% of Dems.

And even after a drubbing in 2006, Republicans are still charging forward with a slate of presidential candidates all but one of whom differ only on how soon and how much we should bomb Iran and broaden our military involvement in the Middle East, and maybe some variations on the proper use of torture.

Who's "insane" here? Who has a very poor grasp on reality?

94 posted on 11/07/2007 9:10:23 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Zevonismymuse
I am seeing the same thing at the swamp in Gainesville, Florida.
The kids are passionate about Paul...sometimes embarrassingly so.
95 posted on 11/07/2007 9:10:46 AM PST by KDD (A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse)
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To: Zevonismymuse
These kids are fired up. There is tremendous passion for his candidacy. No one else running has that.

You got that right. LOL. I'd forgotten what being in your twenties was like. Not the gentle hills of middle age but the mountains and cliffs and valleys of youth.

They're great kids. And when I look around the various Ron Paul forums, I've yet to find a single pro-Hitlery poster. They don't like and don't want the Xlintons. In fact, one of them a couple of days back posted a bit on "CRUSH THAT BITCH!". Now, normally, I disapprove of such posts (only a little) but it inspired me to make an even more assertive post with the same kind of language here at FR today (mine included words like "die, already, lying, commie..."). It only survived the mods for 10 minutes. LOL.

Those kids are great, no matter what some loser Paul-hater thread trolls on FR say about them. I think serious Republicans had better start to think about a new crop of Republicans because the RNC/Bush/Rove/etc. have run our name brand right into the ground.

We'd better find something exciting for 2008 or you might as well start typing "President Hillary". Me, I think it would be a lot less grating to type "President Paul" instead, no matter your views on foreign policy and Iraq.
96 posted on 11/07/2007 9:12:54 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: elizabetty
The most realistic thing Paul has a shot at is shoring up the election for Hillary.

You know that the only way Paul can do that, is to run as a 3rd party candidate, which he said he wouldn't.

97 posted on 11/07/2007 9:13:09 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: The_Victor
From an anti-war rally in Chicago detailed here

Doesn't mean anything.

98 posted on 11/07/2007 9:14:28 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: poobear
It worked well for Bubba with a third party Ross Perot and 42% of the liberal vote.

If Paul does run as a 3rd party candidate, why do you care? Funny how you guys DON'T want Paul to run as a Republican but deep down you DON'T want him to run as a 3rd party candidate. Make up your fricking minds.

99 posted on 11/07/2007 9:16:14 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: John Farson
Our dollar is worth less than the Canadian now. We are borrowing money from China to pay for counter-productive wars.

Yeah, but China just announced it would divest its future holdings of the dollar.

Nov. 7 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar slid to record lows against the euro and the Canadian dollar after a Chinese government adviser said plans to diversify foreign-exchange reserves will involve buying better-performing currencies.

The currency slumped to a 26-year low against the pound and a 23-year low against the Australian dollar. Cheng Siwei, vice chairman of China's National People's Congress, told a conference in Beijing the country ``will favor stronger currencies'' when adjusting its $1.43 trillion of reserves. He later added that doesn't mean buying more euros.

"We're likely to see further pressure on the dollar,'" said Thomas Harr, senior foreign exchange strategist in Singapore at Standard Chartered Plc, a U.K. bank that makes most of its profit in Asia. "The potential for diversification is quite big. This a structurally negative story for the dollar."

Ron Paul was right all these years. Soon, everyone will know it.
100 posted on 11/07/2007 9:16:31 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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