Skip to comments.Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
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Obama's camp didn't release his fake BC until we started working on this.
Look at how disastrous Jim Johnson was in vetting possible VP picks. A critical task.
That fiasco with Ted Strickland should have never, ever, happened.
Maybe that was harbinger of things to come...
Not that I know of.
Eh? Source please? I just plain don't recall that.
Obama entered Occidental College in California in 1979.
(Wedding Date: On October 18, 1992, Michelle and Barack's wedding ceremony was performed by Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Illinois. Source: Dreams From My Father, page 401.)
1. The blogger on KOS did not admit to creating Obamas fake Birth Certificate-the article's title (that is the basis for this massive thread)is misleading.
2. The blogger on KOS did not suggest that others print one up for candidate Obama. The article got that wrong.
With 2000+ posts and 46,000+ views now, I thought it might be important to remind everyone again of these 2 facts.
WOSG, in case you missed jveritas' comments from my last reminder I thought he hit the nail on the head:
"Exactly. I posted something similar to yours in previous post on this thread and in another duplicate thread. This article, the title and the first paragraph are very deceiving but it was written intentionally in such deceptive matter because the author knows that it will rile up the conspiracy theorists because they tend not to read the details."
(Note-my comments are not about airport photos, natural born citizen law, or the original BC being a fake or not. They are only about the article's claims that started this massive thread.)
reposting the Jeremy Scott Smith CoLB image here.
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,030,000 for obama birth certificate obama's. (0.26 seconds)
Obama’s BC google search tops one million.
I can’t read the revision date. Does it read OHSM 1.1 Rev. 11/01?
sorry, I tried to enlarge but it just gets fuzzy...
Thanks for trying. I could not get it clear enough to read either.
I used a magnify glass and that is what it looks to me like it says, then with the word Laser after that.
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,920,000 for Obama born in Kenya. (0.18 seconds)
Most of the articles are from early middle June from what I see so far.
And yet he has not released a genuine and complete BC.
If it was a Republican the Dems would be screaming that the charge alone warrants an investigation of this discrepancy.
Regarding flash and phtoshopping pics.
There was a program on PBS last week with a guy who has sortware to analyse lighting from flash.
It works by analysing the light reflected by the eyes.
This cannot be faked....and analysis shows clearly when a composite image is created with an asembly of people in the resulting photo.
No, if he was born in Hawaii, he is a natural born citizen. The analysis you refer to only applies to persons born outside the US (Hawaii was a state in 1961, and had been for around 2 years). If he was really born in Hawaii, even if neither of his parents were US Citizens, he'd still be a US citizen, under most circumstances.
This will stick to NoBama either way now even if/when he does release a genuine birth certificate.
I think what has been shown as the certification of live birth is altered and he is hiding something. There could no other answers for the way he/his campaign was reacted over this.
No, I think his citizenship would be subject to the law that was in effect at the time of his birth.
In 1960, the year that my parents were married,
I thought they were married in Feb. 1961?
Between the ages of six and ten, I lived in Indonesia where my mother had moved with her second husband.So, where was he living when he was 10? in Indonesia or Hawaii? And if his mother sent him back to his grandparents in Hawaii, who is the "us" his father came to visit?
When I was sent back to my grandparents in Hawaii for my education, I was greeted at school with a loud hoot from other pupils, like the sound of a monkey. A ruddy-faced boy asked me if my father ate people.
When I was ten, my father came back from Africa to visit us for Christmas. After a week of my father in the flesh, I decided that I preferred his more distant image, an image I could alter on a whim - or ignore when convenient. If my father hadn’t exactly disappointed me, he remained something unknown, something volatile and vaguely threatening.
We stand together in front of the Christmas tree and pose for pictures, the only ones I have of us together, me holding an orange basketball, his gift to me, him showing off the tie I’ve bought him. He stayed a month, then he was gone.His mother returned when he was 15 (1976)? I thought they divorced in 1972?
The next five years were a placid time marked by the usual rites and rituals that America expects from its children, part-time jobs at the burger chain, acne and driving tests.
My mother separated from her Indonesian husband, Lolo, and returned to Hawaii with my sister, Maya, and I moved in with her..
I think most of what you might be looking for, you will find on THE OBAMA FILE: (FAMILY)
I think that is the funniest thing I have ever seen!
Number Five in the series by Israel Insider- just published this morning
1409(a) not 1409 (c) was ammended
There is a special law regarding Hawaii that makes everyone born there before statehood a citizen.
§ 1405. Persons born in Hawaii
A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.
U.S. Citizenship by Birth or Through Parents
I still say it would be worth someone checking out the old microfiche files at the Honolulu library.
Newspapers generally published birth notices provided by the hospitals. Find the birth notices for August, 1961...probably in the Honolulu Advertiser. If he was indeed born in Honolulu at that time, his name should be there.
For every General Washington needed men like a simple backwoods-man Rodgers-Clark, an old indian fighter militia general like Herkimer, a able-writing drunk like Paine and so many unknown to this day sailors and captains of boats to stand up and take totally independent action in order to win. Washington never spoke down to or ignored the value of these independent actions of individuals and small groups operating on their own authority but with all the alacrity and carry-through of a Benbow.
There is a war today for this country, for this ideal of Liberty, like in those days, one fought by ideas and spirit as much a war actions.
Let every able man and woman join to the battle, and not shy from it for excuses of seeming impolite or being embarrassed. Benbow was an embarrassing man, too.
“David, yes there appears to be some smoke, but the date filed is not it. I was born on such and such a date and the date mine was filed was 14 days later. It all depends on how long the orginal information gets to Health Dept Vital Statistics to be filed. “
My original Certified BC has the filed date as 5 days BEFORE I was born!! This was just a typo, of course, but Motor Vehicles rejected it. I was only 17 and I started crying, and some guy felt sorry for me and went into the back room to talk to the supervisor. It turned out the supervisor knew my uncle and that my uncle had a brother with a daughter. They let it go through. The certified copy I have now, that I obtained directly from the courthouse copy, has the correct dates on it. The point is, is that even a certified copy may have innocent errors on it.
I do not agree with you--his mouth is narrower; his body frame is thinner; his cheek bones are closer together and more pronounced; his hairline is different; and his face is thinner. But, to be fair, in this school picture you post here, Obama is also older.
Although the pictures of the brother when he is older maintain their contrary characteristics.
Wasn’t that communist Frank Davis (?) very friendly with the Dunhams? Wonder what the FBI has in its files?
I have no idea. All I can tell you is what the the statute says and what the effective date clause says.
That particularly material originates in a Technical Corrections Act which implies to me based on my experience with Tech Corrections bills in the tax area that the original statutory intent was not to apply the 1952 date which was already in the statute but rather the 1986 effective date and the original bill drafter did not get the language and Congress did not want to further amend the statute because it would make it more difficult to read correctly so it provided for the 1986 result in the effective date. But that's just my speculation, based on similar experiences in the tax area.
Only place in the statutory material you have posted there is any room for difference with the legal analysis I have set forth is here. So the issue is when Sec. 309(c) of the Immigration and Nationalization Act became effective--or with respect to what class of persons it is effective.
Sec. 309(c) was initially codified as 8 USC Sec. 1409. And the language was adopted at the time of the 1986 or 1988 Act. Similar language in earlier versions was applicable only to pre 1952 births and thus not to Obama.
I have given you the statutory material that clearly sets forth where the effective date is to be found; found that statute; and copied into the post the effective date which is persons born after November 1986 which makes it inapplicable to Obama.
Note also that would force him to admit that he was born outside and to rewrite the record of his parent's marriage.
And if we have misread or misapplied the effective date clause (and Sec. 309(c) is somehow retroactive to apply to Obama) which I have seen nothing yet that says we have, his claim to citizen ship arose not at the time of his birth but fifteen years later when Congress adopted Sec. 309(c) in its present form--thus he clearly was not by any remote interpretation a "natural born" citizen any more than Arnold Shwartznegger.
wonder why drudge hasn’t picked up on this yet....
Yesterday evening, I suggested a time line for birth in Kenya that had Ann arriving back in Honolulu through Vancouver and Seattle on the 6, 7, 8 of August and immediately making a birth filing with respect to Obama. I think that because I credit the note on the (fake) birth certificate that the information was "filed on" that date.
Received a response that said the filing date on the certificate might not be the date it was actually delivered to the officer but rather the date the officer got around to looking at it.
Went back and looked at the several other birth certificates with "filed on" dates and all of them were filed on the same date as the purported birth.
Here, on the Smith Certificate, the date is the "date accepted by the state registrar" which is five days after the birth date set forth.
At some point we could make inquiry of the Hawaii Department of Health about the use of the two different filing notes; when they were used; and when the typical filing date is.
I believe there is a record that raises a fair inference he was in fact born in Kenya and if so, he is not a US Citizen under any statute or theory I have yet seen or heard.
Drudge is in the tank for Obama. I sent him links to this thread days ago...
wonder why drudge hasnt picked up on this yet....
1- He thinks this entire story is nuts and wants no part of it..
2- Several people have suggested he’s an Obama supporter..
3- He’s waiting for bloggers to do the hard work before a siren goes up..
see 2096... given my belief that drudge is pro-life...hard to believe ‘2’
Drudge is pro-life. As I recall, that is why he left his gig at Fox news - they would not allow him to broadcast that stunning photo of the tiny hand reaching from the womb to the surgeon’s finger during pre-natal surgery. He did post the photo prominently on his web site.
Article II, sec. 1, cl. 5 does not say that the president must have been born in the U.S., it says that he must be a “natural-born citizen.” You are correct that Congress cannot modify that constitutional qualification, and that that Obama bill saying that the children of military personnel should be deemed “natural-born citizens” is legally meaningless, but the fact remains that constitutional scholars for many decades have interpreted the clause to mean that the president must be a citizen at birth (thus, “natural-born”) as opposed to becoming a citizen later on (”naturalized”). What matters is what U.S. law says when the person is born.
BTW, Barry Goldwater was not born in a state, he was born in Arizona in 1909 when it was still a territory, and no state kept him off the presidential ballot in 1964; George Romney (Mitt’s dad) was the child of U.S. citizens born in a Mormon commune in Chihuahua, Mexico, and his foreign birth was not an impediment to his 1968 presidential run (he was on the ballot in the GOP primaries); and Albert Arnold Gore was not born in a state, either (he was born in the District of Columbia), but no one questioned his eligibility during his 8 years as VP nor when he ran for president in 1988 and 2000.
Regarding John McCain, he was born in the Canal Zone, which was a U.S. territory, and federal law stated that a person born in the Canal Zone that had at least one U.S. citizen parent would be a U.S. citizen at birth; unlike babies born outside the U.S. with one citizen parent, the citizen parent of a child born in the Canal Zone did not have to have lived a certain number of years in the U.S. in order for his child to be a U.S. citizen at birth. Of course, both of John McCain’s parents were U.S. citizens and had lived all of their lives in the U.S. (except for time abroad while in military service, which, according to federal law, is counted as time residing in the U.S.), so John McCain would have been a U.S. citizen at birth even had he been born in the middle of China.
One point that should be clarified regarding U.S. military bases and embassies located in foreign countries. While they are usually described as “sovereign ground” of the U.S., they are not U.S. territory for purposes of U.S. citizenship laws, and a child born in a U.S. military base or embassy abroad is subject to the same rules for determining U.S. citizen at birth as a child born outside of the military base or embassy. Children born in Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, for instance, are not U.S. citizens unless their parents meet the citizenship and residency requirements applicable to children born in any other foreign land.
No. Although that may be the source of the interpretation and technical problem. It was redesignated (c) and the language was in an earlier version of Sec. 309 but with different applicability provisions and all that was changed was the designation and the application date. Which as you point out earlier makes no sense with a November 1986 effective date but that appears to be what the statute says.
The applicable effective date clause cited above applies to all amendments to Sec. 1409.
CPA's typically do great statutory legal work, why would I be surprised.
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