Posted on 09/06/2008 9:01:19 AM PDT by Stayfree
There is a picture of what appears to be Obama's birth certificate in another thread entitled "Silence of Obama". I just now compared the birth certificate of our youngest daughter born December 21, 1971 in Honolulu, Hawaii with Obama's certificate. His certificate has no signatures, (among other things missing) and our daughter's certificate contains 3 signatures and a hand-written date. Our daughter's certificate is white on black background, but I am going to try copying it later today and adding it to this thread.
But most importantly, the image of the perforation stamp on our daughter's certificate is NOT the same as the one on Obama's. It looks like his birth certificate is a fake!
Silence of Obama thread
Quite the scoop you've got there, lol.
What is the URL link for the Silence of Obama thread?
Bump and bookmark...keep us posted
Ya think!!
Where have you been?
It’s not just the birth certificate, Obama himself is totally fake.
Sorry, didn’t think about comparing them until I saw a picture of his....
The other thing that is interesting in the other thread is the photo of a plaque in Kenya honoring Obama’s birth there!!!
Obamba has never produced his birth certificate. What we have seen is a Certificate of Live Birth (it says so at the top of the form) and the two are NOT legally the same thing.
So if you have a Hawaiian BC for your daughter it probably would look different from a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth. FWIW the COLB Obama’s campaign has produced has been considered to be a forgery by several document authorities and I believe it is a forgery as well. I just don’t know what comparing a BC to a COLB will prove other than they are two different documents to begin with.
The next scoop will be the discovery that John Kerry was in Viet Nam.
Could it be he’s a Yuri?!!
No one is claiming that Obama's certificate circulated on the web is an original issued at time of birth. They're just asking whether it is a legitimate recently printed version or if it is someone eles's current version edited to put in Obama's name and even if it is a real document created by the State of Hawaii does it have real data to back it up or was it entered in the computer later.
That's a joke...you knew, right?
I prefer to keep this one (the birthcertificategate) under wraps for awhile. This would be an impeachable offense.
I feel we are in better position to fight O’Bama than Hillary, more so now that we have Palin.
What is accepted as a "true and correct copy" has changed dramatically.
Been watching this little time-bomb for a few days now. Think it’s been whispered about, but very below the radar, which I agree it should remain for now. Unlike the libs, however, we have to understand that we can’t assume that we have a smoking gun here until something is actually proven.
I was born in Ohio in 1964 and I can tell you that my birth certificate is nearly illegible and the copy that the county sent me (which I needed recently) is even worse. A lot has to do with the conditions under which it is kept. I also think that, given the somewhat lackluster administrative skills of most state local and county records offices, it would not be unthinkable that the certificate winds up being lost—would not be the first time. What impact this would have on proving Zero’s US-birth precondition is unknown, but it is more of a legal question than a factual one.
That is, assume for the sake of argument that there is no competent documentary evidence of Obama’s birth in the geographical US (which, incidentally, means no proof of birth to his known mother at all since his mother predeceased him). A similar issue came up many years ago with Goldwater, who was born in Arizona before it was a state. Don’t know if he even had a birth certificate (don’t know when that practice started or whether it existed in Territorial Arizona). Obviously, it was determined that birth in the territorial US was good enough; the reasoning behind that decision would provide clues as to how the Birth Certificate controversy might fall.
At any rate, affidavits from people who would have first-hand knowledge of the birth would be acceptable, which means at the least, Zero would have to wheel out his white grandparents (they’re still living, right?) who as far as I can tell, have been completely in hiding. Suppose there had been a fire at the county records office that destroyed all such certificates? People have to have a way to prove their age, in such contingencies. For instance, the hospital records would also have the birth-date (and time), though hospital records often do not record the name of the father since before DNA testing, that couldn’t be proven anyway.
I have to think that there must be a way around this—for instance, on its face, a strict reading of the precondition might well disqualify hundreds of thousands of orphaned children who were abandoned without proof of birth. I suspect that a missing birth cert. will not sink Obama or lead to impeachment since the “testimonial” evidence of his grandparents and friends or acquaintences of his deceased mother will more than likely suffice.
The real question is whether he was born here at all. What would sink him, however, is a birth certificate that clearly shows that he was not born in the US. That would absolutely disqualify him. That is what investigators with more time on their hands than me ought to put their energy.
No excuse exists why Barack Obama - or whatever his name - does not have a valid birth certificate. By the time of his birth, all states issued birth certificates. The fact that the file number and certificate number are blacked out is reason enough to suspect fraud. Recently, I obtained a copy of my BC from Florida, the document has both a file number and a certificate number - and I was born before Barry.
Mr Obama seeks to be President of the US. He has an absolute obligation to produce a birth certificate that is above any suspicion. If he is elected and later facts are discovered that prove that he is not a natural born citizen, this country will be faced with a constitutional crisis of monumental proportions. All his acts would be subject to legal challenge, since one could argue that his election violated the US Constitution.
Perhaps the man is a natural born citizen, but this is an issue that cannot be left to chance. The stakes are too high.
Still waiting for a side by side comparison of your daughter's certificate. Post the photo so we can determine what the facts are. The photo of the Kenyan hospital is a known fake so you're on thin ice.
I agree with everything you say; I’m just pointing out that there is, in fact, no brightline test in the constitution for proving whether or not a person was born in the US for purposes of qualifying for the presidency. The issue is more a political one, and I agree, a serious one, but I am certain it is not one that is going to make any legal difference unless and until someone can disprove his citizenship. So long as he can provide some competent testimony from friends or relatives about his birth in Hawaii, the burden will shift on others to disprove that testimony. In other words, there is not enough there to go with it. We must find some proof that he was NOT born in the US—it’s not like he’d ever produce it. As much as I hate the guy, he can and will be, should be, given the benefit of the doubt in the absence of real evidence to the contrary.
Thanks for the info on the plaque...cute though!
I’m still waiting for you to produce your daughter’s birth certificate so we can learn the truth about obama. I would like you to take a digital picture of it and post it so we can judge the differences.
Again, agreed. They did not produce the birth cert; that’s the odd part. They allowed (or rather did not protest) when the alleged cert was posted at DailyKos, of all places. It’s a bed of their own making, so they will have to explain why the cert is a fake and why they, supposedly, gave it over to Kos rather than produce it themselves. Politically, it is dynamite, I agree; I was only speaking to the legal implications which at this point are unclear.
I agree with you legal assessment, but this is an issue that transcends law and reaches to the depths of the US political system.
Ok, now you’re onto something. Thanks so much. Don’t worry about criticism because we’re after the truth.
As you stated, the years of issue might be the problem. That and the newspaper announcement.
What might help is getting another Freeper who’s relative was born the same year as obama.
turns out the certificate was real, Obama is fake though.
If the scanned image is fake, then so are the photos since they claimed that the scan was made from this COLB (which consists of more than one piece of paper)
Wow, I wonder if anyone has investigated this? Call all the talk shows!
Court case about this:
http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/obama-sued-in-
philadelphia-federal.html
It's way beyond "might be."
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