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McCain's "win-win-win" Debate Situation. (VANITY)
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Posted on 09/24/2008 4:56:56 PM PDT by mike182d

With the dust still settling from McCain's surprise announcement to cease his campaign to return to the Senate, it occured to me how brilliant this move is.

Predictably, Obama said "no" because he's the master of debating and will not take orders from McCain and, for McCain's part, he's criticized for using a "gimmick" to avoid having to debate Obama.

There was an article two days ago (forgive my poor memory in identifying it) commenting on how it is customary for debates to be that single moment in politics when one candidate lauds the abilities of the other while downplaying their own. People expect this, so the words of the candidates do little to actually affect the public's perception of how they will fare in the debate. John McCain has changed the game:

Just like predicting the media's all-out savage attack on Palin when she was announced - which boosted Palin's ratings and popularity when everyone was driven to watch her at the convention out of curiosity, he has secured the same fate for himself, should he show up at the debates. The media will continue to pound on the McCain-is-afraid theme, which will again entice a majority of the American public to tune in out of curiosity - like waiting for a train to crash.

This will cause an increase in viewship, lower expectations of McCain, solidify public perception of Obama as "master debater", and, should catapult McCain through the roof should he win.

It will be like the response to the Saddleback forum, multiplied ten-fold.

In the words of Michael Scott: Win-Win-Win


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: bailout; debate; debates; financialcrisis; mccain; mccainpalin; obama; obamatrutfile

1 posted on 09/24/2008 4:56:59 PM PDT by mike182d
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To: mike182d

uh...you know....and....uh......


2 posted on 09/24/2008 4:59:39 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (`Pontius Pilate voted "Present")
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To: mike182d

This will cause an increase in viewship, lower expectations of McCain, solidify public perception of Obama as “master debater”, and, should catapult McCain through the roof should he win...

I agree providing he shows up.


3 posted on 09/24/2008 5:01:03 PM PDT by Hang'emAll (WE WILL NOT DISARM!!!)
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To: mike182d

I agree.


4 posted on 09/24/2008 5:01:15 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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What is crazy is that this is a foreign policy debate. One wonders if the moderator will somehow tie foreign policy to this crisis...after all it is a Global Economy.

I hope McCain is prepped for that.


5 posted on 09/24/2008 5:01:15 PM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: mike182d

From your keyboard to G_d’s ear!


6 posted on 09/24/2008 5:02:47 PM PDT by A. Morgan (VOTE FOR Obama N' we'll be up to our necks in TAXES and OUTA' GAS!)
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To: mike182d
McCain, I would rather lose an election than let Americans suffer a financial depression...Country First!!!

Obama, ME FIRST!!!
7 posted on 09/24/2008 5:03:31 PM PDT by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism)
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To: All

Related thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2089634/posts

PALIN SHOULD FILL IN FOR MCCAIN AT THE DEBATE
Me ^ | September 24, 2008 | Cindy
Posted on September 24, 2008 2:24:15 PM PDT by Cindy

Palin is the potential vice-president for McCain.

Palin should fill in for McCain at the debate; while McCain works on the economic issues.


8 posted on 09/24/2008 5:04:00 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: stocksthatgoup

If you need me, call me...

Present...

That’s uh, you know, above my paygrade...


9 posted on 09/24/2008 5:05:19 PM PDT by LikeLight (http://www.believersguidetolegalissues.com)
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To: mike182d

Did you notice McCain said he’d suspend AFTER speaking to Bill Clinton’s Global Initiative Conference? How come he’s there and Mr. International (Obama) is not?

Was Obama NOT invited? Invited, but declined? On the eve of what was to be the International Security debate, this is a poke in the eye to the Obama campaign.

Those Clintons are wiley ones, and I’ll bet at the Obama/Bent-One meeting in Harlem last week, Obama refused to take Hillary as a substitute VP and, furthermore, refused to help out with Hillary’s campaign debt.

Old Bill told Larry King last night, in addition to postponing any Obama campaigning until after his Conference, he’d also honor the Jews by postponing any campaign activities until after Yom Kippur.

And you haven’t seen Hillary out on the hustings, have you?


10 posted on 09/24/2008 5:05:43 PM PDT by plangent
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To: mike182d

I agree and thought the same thing.
McCain will keep them guessing if he’s showing up until the last minute, and then when he does, it’s going to be a huge event.

And the topic is foreign policy.

But the real coup for McCain will be if he manages to swoop in and take the lead for the GOP in renegotiating a totally new plan that outlaws all standing Credit Default Swaps retroactively, rescinds Sarbanes-Oxley, and trust-busts some of these huge companies like AIG that have become “too big to fail.”


11 posted on 09/24/2008 5:09:41 PM PDT by counterpunch (Jim Jones was a Community Organizer)
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To: mike182d

I think this was a pre-emptive strike. It was likely Obama would claim he couldn’t debate in order to go back to the Senate and participate in the bailout discussions. Obama is afraid to debate McCain. It would have made Obama look like he was putting the country before politics.


12 posted on 09/24/2008 5:11:06 PM PDT by yazoo
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To: Hang'emAll
I agree providing he shows up.

This could be his 4th win...He goes to Washington and returns just for the debate.

He has the right priorities, the right timing and he has fulfilled his duties as a senator.

13 posted on 09/24/2008 5:11:51 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: All
My prediction is McCain heads to D.C. tomorrow and starts working with the Senate to craft a plan. Negotiations continue into Friday and at the last possible minute he hops a plane to Oxford for the debate. No deal is completed by the time he leaves. McCain does the debate and then hops a plane back to D.C. and an agreement is reached on Saturday or Sunday. In the mean time Obama does interviews on Friday night and campaigns on Saturday and Sunday, looking completely out of touch. Republicans push for McCain to be their spokesman on the agreement and he looks like he is in charge while the Democrats whine that it is political posturing.AWB
14 posted on 09/24/2008 5:16:20 PM PDT by Americanwolfsbrother (Its not whether you get knocked down but whether you get back up. Vince Lombardi)
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To: yazoo
It was likely Obama would claim he couldn’t debate in order to go back to the Senate and participate in the bailout discussions.

What's your evidence? He's not doing now why do you think he would have had McCain not done this?

15 posted on 09/24/2008 5:17:03 PM PDT by wolf24 ("It's always easy to rally the stupid.")
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To: plangent

Dick Morris (not that what he says is usually right)is on BOR now and he thinks what McCain did was brilliant. He said he thinks that McCain will be viewed as the hero because he will get this done and deliver the republicans-—he thinks they will all benefit and that Obama blew it especially when saying they could call him...lol


17 posted on 09/24/2008 5:21:21 PM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: mike182d

Heeres my take of whats going on over at Obama hq

Thank you for phoning, Welcome to Obama HQ, please pick an menu option to proceed.

Press 1 if your bank has collapsed and you need Sen Obama to be called and you may need him

Press 2 if the economy is on the brink of disaster to be put straight to Sen McCain

Press 3 if you wish to leave your mortgage details so the Dem party can include you in the bailout bill.

Press 4 if you mistakenly called thinking Sen Obama gives a shit.


18 posted on 09/24/2008 5:21:33 PM PDT by sunmars
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To: mike182d

Only one candidate is fighting for America. One is hiding from his guilt in this failure.

Pray for W, McCain and Our Troops


19 posted on 09/24/2008 5:23:07 PM PDT by bray (Drill Congress!!)
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To: mike182d

Interesting convoluted thinking. But the simple reality is John McCain is once again putting COUNTRY FIRST in time of crisis, whereas Barry Obama is doing his usual lazy thing ... ‘Call me if you need me, I’m busy running for a promotion for me me me, Harry.’


20 posted on 09/24/2008 5:24:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
I did not mean to disrespect McCain in any way. I was simply praising him for what I thought would be political genius.

Another thought came to me...

Who is pushing for the bailout? Bush

What theme has Obama run on this whole general election? McCain = Bush.

If McCain fights Bush on this, this "McSame" nonsense is wiped off the table.

Again, brilliant!
21 posted on 09/24/2008 5:33:47 PM PDT by mike182d ("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?")
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To: mike182d

I was wondering how McCain would respond to the inevitable refusal from Obama to postpone the debates (which, predictably, the MSM is wrongly declaring a “cancellation” by McCain). But you are right; it was clear that Obama could not follow McCain’s lead simply because doing so would only highlight McCain’s leadership on the issue. It was predictable that Obama would insist on continuing with the debate and that the MSM would respond by declaring McCain’s move a failure, which depresses expectations of how the debate will go for him.

But the MSM forget that the debate is on foreign policy—which everyone agrees is McCain’s strongest suit. He’s rattled Obama now and thrown him off of his preparation. In addition, he’s now provided the means to bring his position on the financial tsunami into the foreign policy discussion. The statements from Ahmadinejad and China on the crisis are pretty straightforward evidence of how the financial crisis can easily turn into a national security issue.

Also, the McCain move is, so far, wildly popular with base conservatives (despite reservations about the Paulson Plan), so Mac once again shores up the base. This election is about firing up ones base and drawing in those right-leaning independents. McCain’s base was slightly eroding due to some off-the-cuff remarks he made about firing Cox (bad idea) or introducing new regulations. He recognized that and took this bold step.

Finally, and most importantly, I believe that McCain truly (and quite correctly) understands the seriousness of this crisis and knows that his job as Senator and as de facto party leader requires him to be involved in the most important matter since 9/11 (I personally think it’s much more serious than that).

I do not see a downside to this, unless one is timid about the MSM reaction and the $7/hr Obamabot bloggers.


22 posted on 09/24/2008 5:36:59 PM PDT by Ilya Mourometz
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To: MHGinTN

And if they delay the Presidential debate, suspending the election, Governor Palin will spend less time with the liberal press that is trying to bring her down. It really is a winning move by Senator McCain. I don’t know how Barry can recover or combat this.


23 posted on 09/24/2008 5:40:56 PM PDT by Sunny Ray
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To: Hang'emAll

“masterdebater” hahaha
sorry ill stop....

I agree with every part of your assesment though


24 posted on 09/24/2008 5:43:16 PM PDT by wrhssaxensemble
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To: Sunny Ray

Suspending the election???? ... Change your beverage for the rest of the evening.


25 posted on 09/24/2008 5:43:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Funny. Sorry. Suspending his campaign is what I meant. You knew that, but you had no choice but to dog me out. I appreciated Senator McCain for his decisiveness on this issue and his going back to work for the american people. Senator Obama, has to think about it I guess.


26 posted on 09/24/2008 6:09:28 PM PDT by Sunny Ray
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To: Sunny Ray

Might I add that Barry is also a very cunning linguist.


27 posted on 09/24/2008 6:23:11 PM PDT by RalphB
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To: mike182d
It was simply brilliant. Now nObambi has to go to washington and not prep for the debate. McCain knows that the next couple of days were non-campaigning days anyway and that he is always ready for a debate.

Slam Dunk.

28 posted on 09/24/2008 6:28:30 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I Love The Smell Of Schmidt Storm in the Morning...and Afternoon....and at Night!!!!!)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Yes they will certainly tie in the foreign policy implications into the current problems on Wall Street. And even before this crisis, I expected that they would touch on our high oil imports as a piece of the foreign policy puzzle too. So then Obama can talk about windmills and solar, while Mc Cain talks about coal, domestic drilling, and nuclear power.


29 posted on 09/24/2008 8:08:02 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: counterpunch

Yep AIG is considered too big to fail.

You put that at the very end, but that point really caught my eye. Maybe too many companies are too big to fail because of the economic devastation if they do fail. Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, etc. are very big companies. And there are huge companies not related to the stock market/mortgage meltdown problems. Suppose Exxon hit hard times. Is Exxon too big to fail? As much as the Dems. hate oil companies, would they let Exxon fail if it got in trouble in the future?


30 posted on 09/24/2008 8:11:51 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

I hate to minimize or criticize McCain going to Washington and all that, and this may come out wrong. But, McCain, Obama, and Biden are all sitting Senators, and they really should be in Congress anyway at this time.

Having said that though, I do commend McCain for suspending campaign business as usual. Maybe this will highlight that Obama is a sitting senator also, and maybe he should be there doing his job. What’s with this “call me” nonsense? Politically, Obama could even show his leadership ability in handling this crisis, if he chose to do so.

A few more repetitive campaign rallies in the next few days are more important to Obama than showing us what he’s made of in the job he already has. Interesting.............


31 posted on 09/24/2008 8:16:51 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Well I’m proposing that perhaps these companies are trust-busted TR style if America’s economy becomes too dependent on their survival.

It seems to me that perhaps it is anti-free market if a company is allowed to get so big that it can destroy the free market if it fails.


32 posted on 09/24/2008 8:18:33 PM PDT by counterpunch (Jim Jones was a Community Organizer)
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To: wrhssaxensemble
Yes, I have also heard that Barry is a MASTERdeBATER.
33 posted on 09/24/2008 8:24:02 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Obama / Biden, the new Ebony and Ivory.)
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To: wolf24

No evidence, just a strong belief that Obama would prefer not to debate John McCain since he does poorly without a teleprompter and it seemed like a good way out. He got pre-empted by McCain and is now scrambling to appear as presidential as McCain does. His comment about “being available if needed,” was pretty lame.


34 posted on 09/25/2008 10:00:01 AM PDT by yazoo
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