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Why Is Obama Paying Lawyers Instead of Producing Birth Certificate?
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Posted on 10/07/2008 2:02:58 PM PDT by moopie1

Why Is Obama Paying Lawyers Instead of Producing Birth Certificate?

Last week a Judge Ordered Senator to produce his birth certificate, Yesterday the Senator's lawyers have filed for a delay of the order. Now I know most people think that the "birth certificate" issue is as legitimate as the tooth fairy. But My question to them is, if it is so illegitimate, why is the Senator paying lawyers instead of just giving the birth certificate document to the Judge?

Berg is “Outraged” that Obama & DNC Hide Again Behind Legal Issues as their attorney files a Motion for Protective Order to “not” Answer Admissions & Production of Documents while Betraying Public in not Producing Documents proving Obama is “qualified” to be a candidate for President.

For Immediate Release: - 10/06/08

(Contact info and pdf of press release below)

Country is Headed to a Constitutional Crisis

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/06/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion for Protective Order to Stay Discovery Pending a Decision on the Motion to Dismiss (which was) filed on 09/24/08.

While legal, Berg stated he is “outraged as this is another attempt to hide the truth from the public; it is obvious that documents do not exist to prove that Obama is qualified to be President.” The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by attempting to delay the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama meets the qualifications to be President.

It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.

Furthermore, and actually more important is Obama’s Certificate of Citizenship that he received when he returned from Indonesia, as if it exists it would indicate that Obama was “naturalized” and also not able to be President.

The DNC has promised “we the people” an Open and Honest Government and has promised to uphold our United States Constitution. The DNC has failed their promise. DNC Chairperson Howard Dean should resign as he has not and is not fulfilling his responsibility of seeing that a “qualified” candidate is on the ballot as the Democratic candidate for President of the United States.

Berg stated that a response in opposition will be filed in the next day or so to the Defendants Motion for a Protective Order.

Our website obamacrimes.com now has 21.7 + million hits. We are urging all to spread the word of our website – and forward to your local newspapers and radio and TV stations. Berg again stressed his position regarding the urgency of this case as, “we” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith.


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1 posted on 10/07/2008 2:02:58 PM PDT by moopie1
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To: moopie1

What’s Barry Hussein hiding?


2 posted on 10/07/2008 2:04:13 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: moopie1

Maybe his race is listed as Caucasian and he is afraid that he will loose the black vote?


3 posted on 10/07/2008 2:05:17 PM PDT by street_lawyer (Truth is a defense and the best offense.)
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To: moopie1

Maybe they had to check with Dan Rather to see which Kinko’s he used...


4 posted on 10/07/2008 2:05:30 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ArrogantBustard

Maybe that his only legit birth certificate to be had is in Kenya.


5 posted on 10/07/2008 2:06:26 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: moopie1

Anyone who wishes to seek the office of president should be required by law to produce documents proving his or her eligibility before even being allowed on a ballot.


6 posted on 10/07/2008 2:08:19 PM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: moopie1

IS OBAMA paying the lawyers???

key question

I would be very surprised if he was paying his own legal expenses


7 posted on 10/07/2008 2:08:56 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: ravingnutter
I can see Baraq's dilemma. If it were the media calling for a birth certificate, he could just have someone with some expertise forge one. His media lapdogs wouldn't challenge the certificate even if it were done in crayon. However, since a judge has asked this, a forgery would open up Baraq to an obstruction of justice charge.
8 posted on 10/07/2008 2:10:47 PM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: JamesP81

What is absolutely amazing about this is he wouldn’t qualify for a drivers license without one! What the HELL is wrong with my country. I would never recognize it if I had been asleep for the past 20 years and just woke up! I can not believe the crap I’m seeing.


9 posted on 10/07/2008 2:15:18 PM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: moopie1
Last week a Judge Ordered Senator to produce his birth certificate

Incorrect. The judge has not made such a decision (yet). Obama's lawyers filed a motion to dismiss the case on the basis that Berg was trying to embarass Obama. Berg counterfiled.

10 posted on 10/07/2008 2:15:37 PM PDT by kidd
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To: moopie1

Cant we just sign or call for a petition to demand his birth certificate so we can put this to rest?

It has to be done as a cause for Barack...for instance

WE THE PEOPLE IN ORDER TO SETTLE THE UNFOUNDED FEARS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REGARDING THE QUALIFICATIONS CONCERNING BARACK H. OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. DO HEAR BY REQUEST THAT OBAMA PRODUCE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR THE SAKE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES. PLEASE ALLOW THIS MATTER TO BE LAYED TO REST, BY CONFIRMING THE QUALIFICATIONS OF BARACK H. OBAMA.

THANK YOU THE PEOPLE DEMAND AN ANSWER.


11 posted on 10/07/2008 2:17:24 PM PDT by Texas4ever ( Who is the real Obama?)
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To: moopie1
Last week a Judge Ordered Senator to produce his birth certificate

Did this really happen? Every link to the "order" have have seen was drawn up by Berg and was never signed by a judge.

Getting past that though...how hard can it bloody be to just drop a cert on the judge's desk and call it a day? I could do it in all of about thirty minutes.

NOOOOOO Barry has to lawyer up and the DNC has to get into the mess.

There is something going on here and I've come to the conclusion by Obama and the DNC's actions (or lack thereof) that Barry isn't even a CITIZEN let alone a natural born one.

12 posted on 10/07/2008 2:18:18 PM PDT by Domandred (McWhathisname / Palin - 2008)
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To: JamesP81
Anyone who wishes to seek the office of president should be required by law to produce documents proving his or her eligibility before even being allowed on a ballot.

They should also be required to pass the same background check as if they were entering the military, since they would be commander in chief, if elected; and have access to nukes.
13 posted on 10/07/2008 2:22:00 PM PDT by RW_Whacko
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To: moopie1

He would never do it, but McCain could put the entire national spotlight on this tonight with just a few words.


14 posted on 10/07/2008 2:23:04 PM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: silverleaf

Campaign money, I bet.


15 posted on 10/07/2008 2:26:28 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: ArrogantBustard

What’s Barry Hussein hiding?

As nuch as he can with the aid and help of the DNC and the Elite Media.

John Citizen gets stopped driving without a license but claims to have one. Does he
A. Not produce it and go to court on the driving without charge and try to get the case dismissed before hearing without producing the drivers license by hiring laywers
or
B. Takes the drivers license his registration crad his insurance card and a notorized document from the local notary/licenser that he did file for a drivers license at that location.
DUH John Citizen and anyone else would do B
Barack Obama would do A.


16 posted on 10/07/2008 2:27:30 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Vote FOR AMERICA . Vote McCain / Palin)
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To: Texas4ever

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/produce-obama-embossed-birth-certificate


17 posted on 10/07/2008 2:27:34 PM PDT by imfrmdixie
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To: moopie1
It is quite strange that Obama apparently prefers to pay lawyers rather than simply produce the Birth Certificate ... it really does make one wonder if there's a problem.

Always assuming, of course, that's the issue that his lawyers are actually addressing. As a matter of principle I distrust any and all press releases from contending parties in any lawsuit -- they're not interested in presenting the full facts of the case; they're only interested in presenting their facts. Mr. Berg is no exception to this rule.

18 posted on 10/07/2008 2:27:35 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: JamesP81

“Anyone who wishes to seek the office of president should be required by law to produce documents proving his or her eligibility before even being allowed on a ballot.....”

Please add to that...they need to pass an FBI and NSA back ground check as well.


19 posted on 10/07/2008 2:29:33 PM PDT by mo
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To: rjp2005
The “Invisible Man” or “The Man Who Never Was”?
20 posted on 10/07/2008 2:30:49 PM PDT by Dream Warrior (We believe in the equality of opportunity, they believe in the equality of results.)
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To: moopie1; VigilantAmerican

pinging you to the latest on the endless BirthCertificate saga.

When will it ever end?


21 posted on 10/07/2008 2:34:44 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: moopie1

Why would Obama do this? How does he benifit from NOT doing the right thing?
More importantly whyn would the Democrat National Poltical Machine allow him to go on like this without putting this question to an end with THE ONLY MEANS that would do so - a legit/ legal documented birth certificate.
Even more importantly what happens if this man is NOT a US citizen and does somehow manage to get elected? What happens 6 months later when proof that he is not a citizen is uncovered?
We the people get Biden because Obama gets impeached or charged or whatever? WHY? Biden would not have been the VP if not chosen by the perosn that would be getting impeached.
Another election?
What a freakin nightmare. One really has to wonder what the Democrats are thinking. if this goes belly up down the road the Democrat Party would be finished..
Not that this would be a bad thing but meanwhile America and its citizens get the shaft as usual.....


22 posted on 10/07/2008 2:34:52 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Vote FOR AMERICA . Vote McCain / Palin)
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To: moopie1
While we're all wringing our hands about what McCain will say at the dabate tonight, there's this serious fire starting to get out of control. Read the comments (click on the heading to the article on Berg's web site):

"Protective orders barring discovery until standing is established are normally used only when the discovery would result in disclosure of damaging or embarassing information not related to the case at hand. The only thing in contention here is Obama's citizenship. The production of documents proving his citizenship would stop the suit dead in its tracks and there would be no further discovery or action. So, Senator Obama, enough already. Produce an official copy of your birth certificate

"He does not have a birth certificate except from Mombasa. If he can just get this delayed until after the election, which at this point it looks as though he will win, then he will carry sway to create conditions which will prevent investigations, which could most assuredly lead to violence at the intimation of his losing his "win".

I don't think Obama is at that much risk, just look what his cousin Odinga did, after loosing elections, he got his supporters on the streets to fight. As terrorist disrespecting American flag, anthem, Constitution etc. he may be waiting for the right moment. Democrats created doo doo without clean way out. Maybe Obama is already threatening with calling brothers for violence if anything will go against "his greatness"... don't underestimate his ego.

"This is twilight zone! Democrats are pushing America in to biggest crises ever, this may just end up with civil war."

23 posted on 10/07/2008 2:36:04 PM PDT by uncommonsense
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To: r9etb
How long will it take for this to take effect if he is found to be Kenyan-born and not constitutionally able to be POTUS?

A day. A week. What happens if this takes years to find out? Is he required to show this before he gets put on the ballot? I am trying to ask the question without asking it if you know what I mean.

24 posted on 10/07/2008 2:36:34 PM PDT by Ultimatum (Resposibility is more than a virtue, IMHO.)
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To: moopie1

Anyone think to see if he has a Kenyan birth certificate?


25 posted on 10/07/2008 2:40:07 PM PDT by PeterFinn (NObama in NOvember.)
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To: r9etb
Inasmuch as I like a good conspiracy theory, I think that Occam's Razor is more applicable here. One of the prior posters thought that his race was listed as "Caucasian"....strikes me as a possibility. Something money-related (although how, I don't know) is a good possibility too.

I remember all of the brouhaha over Kerry not releasing his military records, and the upshot of it was that they revealed he got lower grades than Bush while in college. BFD.

26 posted on 10/07/2008 2:41:05 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Ultimatum
How long will it take for this to take effect if he is found to be Kenyan-born and not constitutionally able to be POTUS?

If it occurs before the election, he would be immediately disqualified (following the necessarily expedited trip all the way to the SCOTUS). The Democratic National Committee is empowered to name a replacement candidate, which would undoubtedly be Hillary! Clinton.

If he wins the election and this occurs before the inauguration, we'd again have the legal whirl, followed by the election being thrown into the House (which would most likely select Hillary!).

If he wins and is inaugurated, then Obama will be forced out of office (again after the legal stuff) and Joe Biden becomes president in accordance with established rules of succession.

My guess ... if this bears any kind of fruit at all ... is that it would become an issue post-election. Hard to imagine that it would be resolved within the next month.

27 posted on 10/07/2008 2:42:57 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: moopie1

Two possibilities

He was born in Hawaii a couple of years earlier before Hawaii became a state

He was born outside the country and is not eligible to run


28 posted on 10/07/2008 2:43:24 PM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............but does have a bracelet!!!!)
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To: mo
Look NSA is not a law enforcement organization!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone who thinks that NSA CIA, DIA, ONI INR has anything to do with law enforcement watches to much TV !!!!!1
The only reason to pass a NSA background check is to work at or work with NSA.
The Constitution does NOT require any background checks for presidential eligibility. It sets the eligibility standard as natural born. Its the states (Remember those sovereign but now cowardly entities!) responsibility to determine ballot eligibility to be listed on the ballot.
29 posted on 10/07/2008 2:44:13 PM PDT by Reily
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To: wbill
Inasmuch as I like a good conspiracy theory, I think that Occam's Razor is more applicable here. One of the prior posters thought that his race was listed as "Caucasian"....strikes me as a possibility. Something money-related (although how, I don't know) is a good possibility too.

Probably so -- I seriously doubt there's anything to the 'citizenship' angle, but his reticence in producing the thing is becoming rather interesting.

If you'll hand me Mr. Occam's razor, I would suggest that the easist explanation is that there's nothing at all wrong with the BC; that they're waiting to see if it causes a serious controversy; and if so they'll wait until the Wednesday before the election to release it with, "see? Nothing to see here."

The idea would be to use that non-controversy, with its simple resolution, to provide a smoke-screen for the more serious questions about Obama's associates, past, and lack of qualifications.

30 posted on 10/07/2008 2:47:37 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Hard to imagine that it would be resolved within the next month.

The one "expedited" way for this to be quickly resolved is for a whistleblower in the Hawaii government to leak the vault copy of Obama's birth certificate, or to leak that there isn't one.

-PJ

31 posted on 10/07/2008 2:51:38 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: Political Junkie Too; r9etb
Of course, this begs the question of why there are never any whistleblowers against Democrats.

-PJ

32 posted on 10/07/2008 2:53:06 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
The one "expedited" way for this to be quickly resolved is for a whistleblower in the Hawaii government to leak the vault copy of Obama's birth certificate, or to leak that there isn't one.

That would be explicitly illegal, and anybody who tried it would properly be arrested and imprisoned.

I doubt that there are any "whistleblowers" outside of the Islamic world who would be willing to go to those lengths for anybody.

33 posted on 10/07/2008 2:54:52 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: moopie1

Every one of us can go to our lock box and produce a valid birth certificate. Our children have to have one to play sports and enter school.
Why in the world is this not a requirement before someone runs for President of the United States?


34 posted on 10/07/2008 2:55:43 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: r9etb
That would be a good ploy on their part.
It will only work if McCain goes public about the BC controversy. He won't unless he actually has the goods.. and I still think he won't!
As long is remains on the fringe in blog-sphere it will cast a a ominous shadow, and that might be good enough.
35 posted on 10/07/2008 2:56:49 PM PDT by Reily
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To: r9etb
I thought that whistleblower protection was for protecting actions, that while illegal, still shed light on illegal corruption in government.

I'd think that the courts would protect a whistleblower who violates personal data privacy laws in order to expose someone who is perpetuating a fraud under protection from those laws.

Data privacy laws cannot shield a person who is running for president under false pretenses, while jailing the person who exposed the fraud.

-PJ

36 posted on 10/07/2008 2:57:52 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: moopie1

Dozens of msm muck-rakers were dispatched to gin up the phony “Troopergate” story about Gov. Palin, but they can’t seem to get interested in this potentially explosive story about Barry Hussein. What a bunch of Democrat toadies!


37 posted on 10/07/2008 2:58:32 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: r9etb

Occam’s razor also behooves us to think of the teenaged pregnant girl whose parents were way out lefties who probably barely pooh-poohed daughter showing up with a half-African baby on board. There would be no reason for her to fly to Kenya to have the baby. One would think Obama senior would also not be so thrilled to bring home to his first wife his new white one, though he did that later on with his other new white wife...


38 posted on 10/07/2008 3:03:33 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: JamesP81
"Anyone who wishes to seek the office of president should be required by law to produce documents proving his or her eligibility before even being allowed on a ballot."

You're right. And the law should fix responsbility for confirming the authenticity of the document with the original source.

We need Congress to introduce and pass this legislation.

39 posted on 10/07/2008 3:03:34 PM PDT by DannyTN (`)
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40 posted on 10/07/2008 3:05:30 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: kidd

Well, I thought the judge issued an order sometime before the ‘rat convention that directed Obama to produce it. And this is last minute delay tactics.


41 posted on 10/07/2008 3:06:21 PM PDT by DannyTN (`)
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To: moopie1

Why?

Because if we had his birth certificate, we’d see that he isn’t eligible to be President.

Plain and simple.


42 posted on 10/07/2008 3:09:21 PM PDT by i_dont_chat (The elephant is dancing for the lady from Alaska)
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To: silverleaf

Heck no he isn’t personally....his “campaign” is.


43 posted on 10/07/2008 3:09:32 PM PDT by Osage Orange (" I did not have radical relations with that man, William Ayers. " -Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
More importantly whyn would the Democrat National Poltical Machine allow him to go on like this without putting this question to an end with THE ONLY MEANS that would do so - a legit/ legal documented birth certificate.

ROFLOL!!!!!

You don't know the SocialistMarxistLyingCommieLiberalDim's.....do you.

44 posted on 10/07/2008 3:10:46 PM PDT by Osage Orange (" I did not have radical relations with that man, William Ayers. " -Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: CommerceComet
He's apparently already opened up to a "fraud" charge.

Apparently Barry checked "No" on a official document from IL....having to do with him ever being a citizen of another country.

Well....he's recently admitted to having Kenyan citizenship.

45 posted on 10/07/2008 3:13:29 PM PDT by Osage Orange (" I did not have radical relations with that man, William Ayers. " -Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: kittymyrib

You are so right. My son has played little league for the past 4 years (same team) and has had to produce his b cert every year.


46 posted on 10/07/2008 3:14:07 PM PDT by ohio sports mom
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To: rjp2005
Amen.....

But having nearly zero confidence in the GOP...let alone the McCain campaign to even freaking know about this...it won't happen.

IF, it should somehow happen...I will go nuts!!

47 posted on 10/07/2008 3:16:35 PM PDT by Osage Orange (" I did not have radical relations with that man, William Ayers. " -Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: r9etb

Yes,.....we have had our chains pulled too many times before.


48 posted on 10/07/2008 3:17:57 PM PDT by Osage Orange (" I did not have radical relations with that man, William Ayers. " -Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: silverleaf

The poster’s point is a good one and one I have wondered about myself.

Birth Certificates are not hard to get. I had never seen mine before I applied for my passport back in 1988 (and found out I had been misspelling my own name for the previous 28 years, but that’s another story.)

The point is, lawyers — regardless of who is paying for them — are bloody expensive. A certified copy of a true Birth Certificate can’t be more than 50 bucks anywhere in the country.

If the Obama campaign or Obama himself is willing to shell out heavy lawyer bucks rather than cough up the certificate, it stands to reason they either can’t or don’t want to.

Either of the above make me bloody suspicious.


49 posted on 10/07/2008 3:37:59 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: silverleaf

“IS OBAMA paying the lawyers???”

No, the Campaign and/or the DNC is.

Obama doesn’t spend his money. He’s a cheap plick!


50 posted on 10/07/2008 3:38:22 PM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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