Skip to comments.Washington State Hispanic Group Dupes Washingtonians on I-409
Posted on 11/16/2008 11:23:14 AM PST by DakotaRed
Washington State has not escaped the detriments of the onslaught of ILLEGAL immigration. Citizens of Washington State fed up with the lack of respect for our laws, increased unemployment due to ILLEGALS working under the radar at lower wages, subjugating them to a secondary slave class status, taxing our overburdened social benefits programs and lowering our living standards have began a legal initiative petition to curtail ILLEGAL Immigration and demand Respect For The Law.
Initiative 409 is a Citizen Driven Initiative that will require state and local agencies to cooperate in enforcing federal immigration laws and would require verifying immigration status of persons seeking employment, receiving drivers licenses, and receiving some public benefits.
The initiative does not require any new laws be added and passed, only that existing laws on the books be enforced by State and Local Law Enforcement. Doing so not only protects American Citizens, but also gives protection to LEGAL immigrants legally entitled to work in Washington State by preventing unscrupulous employers from hiring below minimum wage workers here ILLEGALLY and taking advantage of them by threats of turning them over to I.C.E. (Immigration & Customs Enforcement) if they complain about mistreatment.
As previously explained, our efforts are not always greeted with appreciation by some. Many look upon our efforts as discrimination when they are in fact, just the opposite.
Nowhere is this shown more clearly than in a flyer put out by the Washington State Hispanic/Latino Legislative Organization.
They erroneously claim, 409 would result in the growth of prejudice and discrimination against Washingtons Hispanic/Latino and immigrant communities.
Is there a reason they forget to include the word ILLEGAL in their claim?
Obfuscating our intent of requiring enforcement of established laws, the WSHLLO attempts to paint us as reactionaries when it would appear that it is they who are the reactionaries by advocating open violations of established law.
As I have told many, I am currently sponsoring a LEGAL Immigrant for American Citizenship. Many of those who stand with us to collect signatures on the petition still speak with the accent of the native country they immigrated from, LEGALLY. Many other LEGAL immigrants rush to sign the petitions as they followed proper procedures to citizenship and see no reason others cannot.
WSHLLO claims, A reactionary initiative can be stopped by a small group of determined people who stand on principle. They completely ignore that I-409 is backed by and supported by a small group of determined people who stand on principle, the principle of law and order.
WSHLLO claims, Hate groups are using numbers and figures accusing undocumented immigrants of adding to the economic crisis of or country. It is not Hate to expect our laws to be enforced and respected instead of ignored on whims.
It seems to me the real Hate is to keep ILLEGALS flowing into the country to be taken advantage of by unscrupulous greedy employers.
As a Veteran of the U.S. Army who traveled throughout other countries during my enlistment, I was expected to not only follow the Uniform Code of Military Justice, but also the established laws of whatever country I was stationed in. Even in war torn Viet Nam, we were not given a pass on violating established Vietnamese laws, even to include immigration laws if we chose to remain in country after our enlistment was up.
Mexico, for example, maintains their own Immigration Laws that we are required to follow as foreigners if we visit or enter their country.
To clarify, I-409 is not only about ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico. It covers any ILLEGAL immigrant from anywhere. But, we are inundated currently by ILLEGAL immigrants from our neighbor south of the border, giving the WSHLLO ammunition to claim we are against Hispanics.
Nothing could be further from the truth. We welcome LEGAL immigrants from anywhere, as America always has.
WSHLLO even contradicts themselves in their flyer of disinformation. First, they claim they are, working to defend members of our community by ensuring the anti-immigrant action initiative 409, stays off the ballot.
Then they claim that I-409 supporters dont want it on the ballot and instead are going around voters to the legislature.
Dont fall for the WSHLLOs efforts at disinformation and demonizing citizens of Washington who support enforcing established law. Of all people, Hispanic Advocacy Groups are the ones who really should be supporting and advocating compliance with our Immigration Laws to prevent those from their ancestral lands from being wrongfully exploited by entering America ILLEGALLY!
Liberals always say that anything that opposes their beliefs are hate crimes ....
“Even in war torn Viet Nam, we were not given a pass on violating established Vietnamese laws, “
The point is, we weren’t given free reign to just ignore their laws with total impunity.
I appreciate you posting this, but for us that are not in Washington State could you at least offer some context. Is this something that was supposed to be on the ballot? Did not make it to the ballot? What is the context for all of this. Where there ads trying to hinder it from the ballot. It is a bit annoying like entering into a room in the middle of a conversation that one finds interesting but has no idea of the background or players to even make sense of it all. Good stuff but gives us some foundation for this please.
What it is, as in other states, is a citizen driven initiative to "encourage" enforcement of current immigration laws.
The site RespectWashington.US gives more detail.
My post is to show how one Hispanic Advocacy Group is misrepresenting the Initiative as "Hate Group" backed an against immigration, when in reality, it is against ILLEGAL Immigration.
Much like efforts to curtail ILLEGAL immigration in other states, we meet a lot of resistance and misrepresentation as to what we are trying to accomplish.
Gotcha! Awesome work to get this on the ballot and also to clarify that this is illegal immigration and not letting the libs define it is once again as hate for legal immigrants. HATE, HATE, HATE. It is time to call these yahoo’s manipulation on everything they dislike politically they call HATE. UGH! Great work and thanks for the context. I so hope it gets on the ballot and is passed.
“...we werent given free reign to just ignore their laws with total impunity.”
No, we were subject to UCMJ, and nothing more. Not even a SOFA. I don’t know what impunity has to do with it, but we DID disregard their laws (almost as much as they did) on a continual basis.....
I am unaware of any GI ever being charged in a Vietnamese Court, criminal or civil. I’m also unaware of a single incident of Vn law being considered wrt our operations, planned or ad-lib. In fact, in the 1st Inf Div in 1967-68, any discussion or consideration along these lines quickly terminated with we’ve got “diplomatic immunity”, which I thought we had, until I noticed the claim in the flyer you posted and found the page I linked in response. I am aware, however, that USG did pay plenty of money to Michelin (and other plantations) for defoliant damage.
Then I guess we have no right to expect Illegal Immigrants to respect our laws then, right?
No, but you might do what you can to get the claim within the flyer changed a bit, before some advocate for the illegals points it out where it matters....
This quote might also interest you;
"The directive also cited, and instructed military personnel to study, other MACV directives pertaining to motor vehicles, weapons, personal conduct, the purchasing and disposition of tax free items, and the importation and disposition of personal property. While all MACV directives were updated periodically, MACV policy in regard to Vietnamese legal authorities remained the sameU.S. troops were to comply with Vietnamese laws, be courteous and co-operative toward Vietnamese officials, report all incidents to U.S. authorities, and seek advice from the unit judge advocate."
The Legal Status of Forces in Vietnam Second paragraph after page 91 heading.
Granted, we were not to be tried in Vietnamese Courts, but we were not given Carte Blanche to violate Vietnamese Laws indiscriminantly.
I think that goes along with my words of, "I was expected to not only follow the Uniform Code of Military Justice, but also the established laws of whatever country I was stationed in. Even in war torn Viet Nam, we were not given a pass on violating established Vietnamese laws."
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Good luck and godspeed, Washingtonians! Your beautiful state is being destroyed just like California.
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