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Muslim Riots in Spain, Denmark, Greece, UK - Winds Of Jihad
sheikyarmani ^ | Dec 10, 2008

Posted on 12/10/2008 8:55:53 PM PST by Righting

Muslim Riots in Spain, Denmark, Greece, UK… Reuters. Rioting immigrants set fire to ... Some five million of Spain’s 45 million population are immigrants, ...

(Excerpt) Read more at sheikyermami.com ...


TOPICS: Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: denmark; eurabia; greece; islam; islamicimmigration; islamization; mohammedanism; mohammedanism122008; muslims; riots; rop; spain; uk
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I realize that at first it was the lefty-anarchists in Greece, but soon the Islamic immigration force joined in, as they do always, seeking to harm the west so that Islamization aim gets easier for them.
1 posted on 12/10/2008 8:55:53 PM PST by Righting
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To: Righting

Europe is losing it.


2 posted on 12/10/2008 8:58:12 PM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: Dallas59

Good old “Religion of Peace” is at it again.


3 posted on 12/10/2008 8:59:34 PM PST by chaos_5
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To: Righting

Americans would send their butts back home by way of a stay in prison IMO.


4 posted on 12/10/2008 8:59:52 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Dallas59

Sunni or later shiite happens.


5 posted on 12/10/2008 9:01:27 PM PST by spokeshave (0bambi wants to kill babies and raise taxes, Sarah wants to raise babies and kill taxes)
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To: Righting

..and what type of Government runs these countries?


6 posted on 12/10/2008 9:05:18 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: A CA Guy; Dallas59

...another thing/way, the Europeans can/should learn from US.


7 posted on 12/10/2008 9:05:44 PM PST by Righting
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To: spokeshave
Sunni or later shiite happens.

I might use this great line...

8 posted on 12/10/2008 9:06:31 PM PST by Righting
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To: Righting

Was the kid shot in Greece a muslim or a lefty Greek?


9 posted on 12/10/2008 9:06:45 PM PST by JLS
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To: JLS

Probably a lefty, but the danger grows ever more when Muslim “youths” join in en-masse.


10 posted on 12/10/2008 9:08:09 PM PST by Righting
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To: Righting

So sick of Muslims.


11 posted on 12/10/2008 9:10:21 PM PST by ottbmare
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To: Righting

Wow! Listen up, America. Spain tries to PAY unemployed workers(immigrants) to go home but few seem to haven taken them up on it.

Kinda makes you understand that once they get here, they are NOT leaving. Period.

Build the fence. Tighten immigration. Save us from the riots to come.


12 posted on 12/10/2008 9:12:07 PM PST by dianed
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To: Righting

And Obama wants to close Gitmo now.


13 posted on 12/10/2008 9:12:20 PM PST by paltz
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To: Righting
"Sunni or later shiite happens.

I might use this great line.."

My thought exactly when I read that line.

14 posted on 12/10/2008 9:13:27 PM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: paltz

Who really cares what Europe thinks of the U.S.?


15 posted on 12/10/2008 9:27:55 PM PST by Raster Man
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To: spokeshave

Good one!


16 posted on 12/10/2008 9:29:36 PM PST by unkus
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To: Righting

Napalm, followed by machine guns from helicopters.

I’m just saying...


17 posted on 12/10/2008 9:38:53 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Dallas59

I wonder if Spain will pay me to stay home?

Send certified check or money order. No pesos please.


18 posted on 12/10/2008 9:43:22 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Righting

Islam is incompatible with: democracy, republics, peace, and the 21st century.


19 posted on 12/10/2008 10:03:52 PM PST by machogirl (taglines are like shoes: if you're a gal, you can never have too many)
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To: A CA Guy
...."Americans would send their butts back home by way of a stay in prison IMO.".....

What on Earth makes you think that? We just elected one as president. One of his first acts will be to meet with Muslims and have a pow wow. We put up with Weathermen, Yuppies, SDS, and every other vermin in the "60's. We won't even send illegals home. Why would we pick out a religion and persecute them?

America is no different than Europe, we just don't have that many yet. We won't even draw a cartoon about them. The whole world has been taught we are evil and deserve what we get. There is some mental disorder that we have manifested over time to convince ourselves we deserve to fail. It is the disease of "liberalism". If we dare defend ourselves and our culture, we are racists and NAZI's.

20 posted on 12/10/2008 10:20:50 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Righting

ping. thank god we don’t have 10 million molems here.


21 posted on 12/10/2008 11:10:45 PM PST by Jack Black (ping can't be a tag line, can it?)
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To: Jack Black

I would rather have to deal with 10 million muslims in America than one in the Whitehouse.


22 posted on 12/10/2008 11:25:48 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: spokeshave

Well said!


23 posted on 12/11/2008 2:08:54 AM PST by crghill (Postmillenial, theonomic, presuppositional, covenantal Calvinist! Let reconstruction begin!)
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To: chuckles
Obama played himself as a “Safe person” with he aid of the press.
Here though we are talking people actually acting out.

We do send certain illegals home, especially we will keep them in determent if they are from certain enemy countries.

Not the best, but in some cases we do boot them out.

24 posted on 12/11/2008 3:24:10 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Righting

Cue renewed nationalist fervor and an even harder swing to the right all across Continental Europe right about now.


25 posted on 12/11/2008 3:35:33 AM PST by Shady Ray
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To: spokeshave

“Sunni or later shiite happens.”

Good one.


26 posted on 12/11/2008 5:27:10 AM PST by bricklayer
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To: Doogle

Judging by what is happening in Greece, not one that is prepared to come down hard on opportunistic looting.


27 posted on 12/11/2008 7:21:22 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: ottbmare

“So sick of Muslims.”

I would add: “and Marxists, young and old.”


28 posted on 12/11/2008 7:22:21 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: JLS

He was a 15 year old Greek. I don’t know what his political inclinations were, but he certainly wasn’t a muslim.


29 posted on 12/11/2008 7:22:50 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: chuckles

BHO and his minions believe that there are too many people in prison (at least Black and Hispanics). So, not only does he want to liberate Guantanomo, but all of our prisons as well. No matter about the crimes these people committed. It’s the evil system that put them there and they should be FREED!


30 posted on 12/11/2008 7:24:56 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Raster Man

I do (I’m a European).

The state of European thinking re the US determines who is winning the cultural wars here.


31 posted on 12/11/2008 7:25:19 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: spokeshave; SLB

I need to find a bumper sticker with this. ;-)


32 posted on 12/11/2008 7:34:51 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (We failed, but in the good providence of God apparent failure often proves a blessing.-Robert E.Lee)
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To: Righting

I’ve checked both leftist (El Pais) and conservative (El Mundo) Spanish newspapers. Not a word about muslim riots.


33 posted on 12/11/2008 7:41:34 AM PST by Former Fetus
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To: Sioux-san

For centuries, many thousands of European Christians gave up their lives to keep Muslims out of Europe. They knew what Muslims are like. And now their descendants invite Muslims into the West, and kneel cravenly before them as they do what Muslims always do: seek to take power and impose Islam on everyone. What a tragedy.


34 posted on 12/11/2008 7:47:27 AM PST by ottbmare
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To: Righting; All
Ok that article is full of lies as far as Greece is concerned. Those rioting in Greece are not Muslims. The rioters in the last few days are not muslim immigrants, they are homegrown Greek anti-capitalist anti-authoritarian anarchists and hooligans, mostly youths and students are involved behind the riots. And this is not only in Greece -capitalist anti-authoritarian anarchists and hooligans causing this kind of desturcion are found through out Europe and they even made their presence felt in the States back in 1999 during the DNC. There might have been some mulsim among the rioters but they WERE NOT the bulk of the rioters nor was their supposed 'grievances' the reason why these riots in the streets of Greece took. These kind of riots are common in Greece and they trace their roots back in Greek social culture in the 1970s, not muslim immigrants. Anarchists are nuts, they hate cops, they come well prepared to fight with authorities, i.e. gas masks, motorcycle helmets, black hoods and masks to cover their faces, Molotov cocktail firebombs, etc.

Look at the symbols, flags, colors, etc. the rioters are decked out in black, they are symbols of ANACRISTS, black and red flags, the symbol "A", the people rioting look nothing like N. Africans, Asians, etc. they are not muslim immigrants as the article falsely is claiming. This kind of rioting is home grown in Greece and has been around since the 1970s, again muslims immigrants have nothing to do with this, its anarchist Greek students. They are full of communist signs in Greek, not green banners and signs in Arabic or proof of Islamic involvement.

Ok check out the irony of this picture: they are anti-capitalist but look at the shirt that the kid in this picture has on. LOL!!

Here you go, their idiotic German anti-capitalist anti-authoritarian anarchists brethren shouting slogans outside the Greek consulate in Berlin, December 8, 2008, after others forcibly entered the building

These are not 'muslim youths', European anarchist youths are common through out Europe and they are very violent when they 'protest'.

I know that mussie article wants to make it seem like 'muzzies' are taking over Europe but those weren't 'muslim youths' rioting in Greece the last few days. They were ethnic GREEKS and most come from families who are well off. The kid who was killed is Andreas Alexis Grigoropoulos, you can't get anymore Greek then that name and he was Greek, he wasn't a muslim, he wasn't an immigrant and he came from a well off family and he went to one of the most prestigious and private schools in Greece.

35 posted on 12/11/2008 7:29:17 PM PST by apro
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To: apro; All
The article is right on! You are the one who naively wishes that it was all the Anarchists’ fault. Yeah the good old days when anarchists and commies were the only ones doing the rioting...

It's crystal clear you haven't been back to the old country for a really long time.

If you had, you would have noticed that Greek is not heard in Central Athens—and I do not mean Kolonaki either.

You would have noticed the drug dealing and shooting up going on everywhere. You would have noticed the storefront mosques that have reared their ugly heads and the muzzies demonstrating weekly shouting ALLHU AKBAR!

And BTW- You can post all the photos you want from the msm but that proves nothing. What's really happening is that there is a full blown islamic invasion of Greece and the rest of Europe and there is no will to stop it.

36 posted on 12/11/2008 9:33:31 PM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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To: Righting

oh god i wish this would happen here. these people wouldn’t get past the first line.


37 posted on 12/11/2008 9:37:23 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor

oh god i wish this would happen here. these people wouldn’t get past the first line.


I hope that you are right..but I remember the anarchists and assorted others in Seattle and other sites during the WTO meetings that caused havoc and destruction -—I’m afraid that the disease of political correctness has gone amuk and that too often the hands of the police forces are tied.

If one of these scums came near my property I know what I would do—but then again I’m not a “civil servant”


38 posted on 12/11/2008 9:53:39 PM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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To: eleni121
well when people start throwing firebombs, it's either start shooting or retreat and give up the city. i know what my cities choice would be.

i do not remember any muslims getting uppity in this country to this extent. i just do not think american muslims will do this. they know how good they have it. i know that is simplistic, but that's how i see it for the most part.

39 posted on 12/11/2008 10:11:20 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor

The Islamics are here and organizing—in the mosques. Quietly and in stealth for the most part at least until now. Terror training centers aka Mosques are being funded largely through OPEC money - Saudi money.

Where they are concentrated they have caused enormous damage—remember the Lackawanna 6? Many many terror plots have been caught in time-—all organized by islamics.


40 posted on 12/12/2008 8:21:43 AM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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To: thefactor

The Islamics are here and organizing—in the mosques. Quietly and in stealth for the most part at least until now. Terror training centers aka Mosques are being funded largely through OPEC money - Saudi money.

Where they are concentrated they have caused enormous damage—remember the Lackawanna 6? Many many terror plots have been caught in time-—all organized by islamics.


41 posted on 12/12/2008 8:21:54 AM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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To: eleni121
The article is right on! You are the one who naively wishes that it was all the Anarchists’ fault. Yeah the good old days when anarchists and commies were the only ones doing the rioting... It's crystal clear you haven't been back to the old country for a really long time. If you had, you would have noticed that Greek is not heard in Central Athens—and I do not mean Kolonaki either. You would have noticed the drug dealing and shooting up going on everywhere. You would have noticed the storefront mosques that have reared their ugly heads and the muzzies demonstrating weekly shouting ALLHU AKBAR! And BTW- You can post all the photos you want from the msm but that proves nothing. What's really happening is that there is a full blown islamic invasion of Greece and the rest of Europe and there is no will to stop it.

Eleni, you are the epitome of what is wrong with people in the world today: NOT taking responsiblility for their OWN actions AND blaming their negative behavior on others. Lets blame it on foreingers and NOT the native ethnic GREEKS who are respoble for most of this chaos and riots. These RIOTS have nothing to 'muslims'. What is crystal clear is that you don't know what you are talking about, and yes I've been Greece, more then HALF of the year is spend living in Greece, meaning you are WRONG in that aspect too. So no the article IS NOT RIGHT ON, its wrong. It is full of fallacies, and it is trying to create a "foreign monster" when in reality THAT "monster" is HOME GROWN EHTNIC GREEK. You sound like my grandmother who blames every bad thing that takes place in Greece on the "foreigners". Whatever, people need to learn to take responsiblity for their actions.

42 posted on 12/12/2008 9:55:09 AM PST by apro
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To: thefactor
"well when people start throwing firebombs, it's either start shooting or retreat and give up the city. i know what my cities choice would be. i do not remember any muslims getting uppity in this country to this extent. i just do not think american muslims will do this. they know how good they have it. i know that is simplistic, but that's how i see it for the most part.

The rioters in Greece WERE NOT muslims, THEY WERE EHTNIC GREEKS. Look at the pictures, they are carring symbols of ANACHRISTS not Jihadies. Their slogans are basically 'down with pig cops', 'kill cops, 'cop brutality','against global capitalism' and the like, not 'stop oppressing Muslim or allah akbar". The kid killed was an ETHNIC GREEK and he went to one of the most expensive private schools in Greece. The ethnic GREEK anarchists hold the same ideology that anarchists hold all over Europe and the AMERICAN anarchists did in Seattle held in 1999: anti-establishment:
Anarchists riotig in Seattle

43 posted on 12/12/2008 10:04:20 AM PST by apro
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To: eleni121
"The Islamics are here and organizing—in the mosques. Quietly and in stealth for the most part at least until now. Terror training centers aka Mosques are being funded largely through OPEC money - Saudi money."

What Mosques in Greece? Greece is the ONLY EU country that doesn't have ANY mosques and the reason for this aside from Greece long memory of being ruled by muslims, Greeks also don't want Saudi money being pured into mosques. Building a mosque in Athens has always been opposed by the general public and the government ALWAYS caved in to general public's negaive view of mosques in Greece. The state has been all lip and no action; they say they "will" build a new mosque but they never will do so because the general Greek public is opposed to the idea, so they back off with the excuse "well we tried but our public said no."

44 posted on 12/12/2008 10:15:07 AM PST by apro
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To: apro
Get those blinders off. OR get yourself a pair of decent glasses and some hearing aids.

The fact is that hundreds of looters and demonstrators are muslims and that demonstrations go on weekly by muslim invaders ... hey since you live there half the year - go down to Botanikos and see for yourself the old downtown Athens has become-——you may need to have some protection — I doubt you would survive long on one of your strolls.

Nobody here excused the responsibility of the rotten student agitators - who by the way are being miseducated by the politically correct EU enforced “higher ed system in Greece— about as bad las it gets —

Hey you need to listen to your grandmum more—she has what you lack— the experience of wisdom.

45 posted on 12/12/2008 10:19:49 AM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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To: apro; All

What Mosques in Greece?


Apparently you are either a stinky provacateur or so naive and unaware that you use the BIG LIE technique here—it won’t fly though.

In Moshato, Elaionas, the Olympic Stadium—— hundreds of storefront terror centers in Athens alone indoctrinating upwards of Half a million Muslims - most illegals.

As for the rest of Greece up north there are hundreds too preaching hate to Turks and Shiptars.

You need to read a book instead of posting AP photos-—

“he Coming Balkan Caliphate: The Threat of Radical Islam to Europe and the West” by Christopher Deliso


46 posted on 12/12/2008 10:31:19 AM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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To: eleni121
"Get those blinders off. OR get yourself a pair of decent glasses and some hearing aids. The fact is that hundreds of looters and demonstrators are muslims and that demonstrations go on weekly by muslim invaders ... hey since you live there half the year - go down to Botanikos and see for yourself the old downtown Athens has become-——you may need to have some protection — I doubt you would survive long on one of your strolls. Nobody here excused the responsibility of the rotten student agitators - who by the way are being miseducated by the politically correct EU enforced “higher ed system in Greece— about as bad las it gets — Hey you need to listen to your grandmum more—she has what you lack— the experience of wisdom."

That one video of 'muzzies' demostrating in Athens MONTHS AGO and which have no connection to what went on now does not show them causing the chaos created by the ethnic Greeks when they clash with the police, so you need to stop spreading misinformation based upon xenophobia. Its this kind of fear talk that has extremist parties like Laos popularity jumped to 5.4 percent in opinion polls from 3.5 percent when it entered Parliament a year ago.

Illegals and migrants DID NOT make up the bulk of the rioters, ethnic GREEKS. The majority of illegals and migrants don't risk being caught in such violent riots because if caught by the police they don't face the same legal protection that native born Greek citizens do: in other words migrants get deported without a second thought and as it stands, Greek authorities not need much to deport someone, never mind catching migrants who are going to be viewed as ENEMIES AGAINST THE STATE if caught fighting authorities.

My grandmum is a wise woman and does have experience but she also holds palia miala in where everything is blamed on the phantom xeno. As I stated before responsibility for ones actions needs to be taken by ethnic Greeks who made up the bulk of the riots.

47 posted on 12/12/2008 10:59:39 AM PST by apro
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To: eleni121; All
"Apparently you are either a stinky provacateur or so naive and unaware that you use the BIG LIE technique here—it won’t fly though. In Moshato, Elaionas, the Olympic Stadium—— hundreds of storefront terror centers in Athens alone indoctrinating upwards of Half a million Muslims - most illegals. As for the rest of Greece up north there are hundreds too preaching hate to Turks and Shiptars. You need to read a book instead of posting AP photos-— “he Coming Balkan Caliphate: The Threat of Radical Islam to Europe and the West” by Christopher Deliso"

Apparently you have no clue what you are talking about. The country is the only EU country who's capital has no mosques. Muslims are not the only migrant community in Greece. There is not a serious demographic threat of muzzies in Greece. The Muslim population is less then ~1.3%, that is among the LOWEST of any EU country. As you very well know Greeks are very much aware of the consequences of Islam taking root in the nation which is WHY 99% of the general population is AGAINST building mosques especially ones funded by Saudi Arabia and why the general population doesn't complain when migrants are harassed by the cops. Greeks have not gotten to the point that the French or Dutch are at, with 5-10% of the population of Muslim background and that figure will not rise since Greece supports the stricter line on immigration being promoted by the French presidency meaning there will not be another wave of allowing immigrants in Greece to stay.

48 posted on 12/12/2008 11:21:08 AM PST by apro
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To: apro

The Muzzies started rioting last Saturday - you are dating yourself

http://libcom.org/news/immigrants-anarchists-erect-barricades-attack-riot-police

http://libcom.org/news/immigrants-anarchists-erect-barricades-attack-riot-police

From indy media - which while on the Left lets slip the truth - “In the roads down from the occupations on the night some times it is dangerous because nazis and policemen work together and try to prevent immigrants from attacking and looting...”

YES people - the police are acting heroically but the left wing in their hate of the establishment gloats and the truth out - that the neanderthals have taken over the streets


49 posted on 12/12/2008 12:02:59 PM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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To: eleni121
"The Muzzies started rioting last Saturday - you are dating yourself http://libcom.org/news/immigrants-anarchists-erect-barricades-attack-riot-police http://libcom.org/news/immigrants-anarchists-erect-barricades-attack-riot-police From indy media - which while on the Left lets slip the truth - “In the roads down from the occupations on the night some times it is dangerous because nazis and policemen work together and try to prevent immigrants from attacking and looting...” YES people - the police are acting heroically but the left wing in their hate of the establishment gloats and the truth out - that the neanderthals have taken over the streets."

NO THEY DIDN'T, the bulk of the rioters WERE ETHNIC GREEKS, NOT MUZZIE, and if you BOTHERED to read what those Left sites you keep posting say what started the Saturday night riots BEFORE the boy was killed was LIKE I ORIGINALLY SAID GREEK grievances university reforms and economic affairs, NOTHING TO DO WITH MIGRANTS or MUZZIES. Some muzzies might have exploided the situation some but they weren't the cause for this neither were they the key contributors to the rioting. The bulk of the rioters, confirmed by the site you posted, were ethnic Greeks: anarchists, hooligans(see soccer fans), labor workers, students, young people.

"A powder keg of public anger over government economic policy has been ignited by a spark of outrage over the killing of a 15-year-old boy by police in Athens.....The killing comes against a background of a 48 hour strike of nurses, and on the eve of a general strike this Wednesday 10 December against the government's economic reforms.....However, while it is true that anarchists instigated some of the fighting they have been joined by large swathes of labor workers and young people in particular. Other groups, such as football fans have also participated in the clashes."
~ http://libcom.org/news

You are seriously reaching. Again where is the connection between the few hundred Pakis protesting in NOVEMBER for a few hours, in where only a couple got hurt and 3 arrested but no VIOLENT rioting took place and the VIOLENT CHAOS & RIOTING caused by native Greek ANARCHISTS, labor workers and young people in the last few days? There isn't any connection because as I said before you are trying to lay blame at the feet of the 'foreign element' and not take responsibility of the fact that the bulk of those rioting was done ETHNIC GREEKs because of the powder keg of public anger over government economic policy, not Pakis, not Muzzies and not Africans.

BTW, Paki protesters, which PROVES most of the sea of faces we have been seeing on the news in the last week ARE of ethnic GREEKS, not 'muzzies, immigrants, paki' since Greeks look nothing like muzzies.

PAKIS Protesters FROM MONTHS AGO

ETHNIC GREEK ANARCHISTS, STUDENTS, PROTESTERS IN CURRECT RIOTS

AGAIN ETHNIC GREEKS, NOT MUZZIES, PROTEST AGAINST GOVERNMENT over economic affairs NOT immigration issues. It was THESE kind of protests by ethnic Greeks that led to the Saturday rioting in where unfortunately the kid was killed and then ultimately to the rioting of the last days.
"10/21/2008: Over 400 Greek ethnic protesters from a few weeks ago joined a demo today in Skala Lakonias, a southern greek region against the government and corporations plans for building a constration for reclaiming the water of a river named vasilopotamos. The local citizens and their local assembly resist against the contstaction because after a research of envriromentalists and other organizations , they found out that its gonna be a big environmental destraction for the whole area. The government after all , it seems that will allow the plan and will continue the process of building it next month."

21 May 2008 Athens Greece: "Residents of the Greek capital Athens go about their daily business, while riot police prepare for student demonstrations against university reforms. Bank employees, lawyers and firefighters were on strike on Friday to protest against the government's pension reform bill." Its THESE kind of protests by ethnic Greeks is what led to the riots this week...NOT MUZZIES and not immigration:

March 19, 2008 Athens Greece: "Greek riot police and a civilian run for cover to avoid a firebomb hurled by protesters during a demonstration in central Athens. Private and public sector unions launched a 24-hour nationwide strike on Wednesday against the government's planned pension reforms, grounding flights, confining ships to port and closing schools, ministries and banks." Its THESE kind of protests by ethnic Greeks is what led to the riots this week...NOT MUZZIES NOR IMMIGRANTS:

50 posted on 12/12/2008 4:11:33 PM PST by apro
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