Posted on 01/04/2009 5:39:47 AM PST by PurpleMountains
It's no different that science=right and faith=wrong that the evos push.
The only difference is that scientists tell us that science isn't about truth or proof and yet try to tell others that they are wrong using something they can't even be sure of themselves.
How can you tell someone that they're wrong when you can't be sure you're right?
Sorry, that is not the case. As part of my graduate schooling I studied fossil man, evolution, human races, osteology and a lot of related subjects -- for six years.
These fields rely on data and theory, not faith. We studied real subjects and real data, as well as the history of these fields. We saw how data increased and theory improved over the decades. Nowhere were we asked to believe in some static "trvth" that was obtained by revelation. That is where faith would have come in. That was not a part of our studies.
To claim that science relies on faith is both incorrect and shows an ignorance of science and how it works. And it shows a disdain for science that is becoming increasingly common in some circles. Attempting to destroy science is not exactly productive, as science is our main weapon against ignorance and starvation and a host of other ills.
“They believe it because it was peer reviewed, simple as that.
The whole point to my posts is simply to show that human evolution is nothing more than faith, the exact same thing scientist accuse creationists of believing.”
No, peer review does not equal faith. Peer review simply ensures a scientific process is followed to support the conclusions made. Sometimes it’s objective (does the math add up) sometimes it’s conjecture supported with some other objective information, and sometimes it’s unsupported hypothesis (guesses) that open the door for further research to bring some objectivity to the process. Nobody that truly understands the scientific process believes it represents “truth”, rather it represents the closest thing to scientific proof that we can get. Occasionally, fundamental elements are found to differ - and that results in a whole new round of the scientific process.
It’s not good, it’s not bad, it’s just the way it’s done and it should be dispassionate. It can be subject to group-think, but generally, science has enough hard-headed folks that group-think is short-lived as it affects the body of scientific knowledge.
Only faith is faith. Those that use faith to disprove science (or science to disprove faith) do not understand either and should probably refrain from opening their pie-hole.
Who has said that faith is wrong?
Nobody is trying to destroy science. We just want to see it used for what it's meant to be used for. Not as a weapon used to bludgeon those who disagree with you into submission forcing them to accept and follow your world view, not as a tool used to advance your political and religious ideology.
Science cannot deal with the more critical issues of morals, without which society ceases to function.
Intellect does not equal morals.
We have had too many examples of intellectualism without morals in recent history to be comfortable with that thought.
Are you saying that the creation account in Scripture is correct then?
That is NOT what comes across on the crevo threads. They tell us that evolution is a fact and that the creation account in the Bible is a fairy tale, mythology, folklore, allegory, whatever, that it could not have happened that way.
Saying that the Creation account isn’t literal isn’t the same as attacking.
Nobody is trying to destroy science. We just want to see it used for what it's meant to be used for. Not as a weapon used to bludgeon those who disagree with you into submission forcing them to accept and follow your world view, not as a tool used to advance your political and religious ideology.
Given your posting history you should not be attempting to lecture scientists on what science is, nor how it should be applied.
The post you just made is a prime example. What it appears that you are advocating is censoring science where it disagrees with your religious belief. You want to pick and choose from among the sciences and censor the results that you don't agree with.
Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
You really believe that the Catholic Church is attacking Christianity when they say the Creation account is allegory?
You sound like some holocaust deniers I once tried to debate. "Prove it," they said. And when I cited some evidence they said, "we don't believe it, that's not proof, the holocaust never happened and the Jews are evil!"
Naturally, since I'm not that bright, I tried again, and then again, always with the same results. Finally it began to dawn on me, these guys are not going to be convinced no matter what I say.
In the case of evolution: it's a scientific theory based on evidence, both the fossil record and living evidence such as Darwin found in the Galapagos Islands.
In recent years, evolution has been hugely supported by DNA analysis. Consider:
Identical twins have identical DNA.
People from the same families and tribes have very similar DNAs.
Human races can be distinguished by certain DNA differences.
Human DNA can be distinguished from chimpanzees by something like 5% of DNA differences.
Every species has similarities and differences in DNA from every other species. These differences correspond almost exactly to what is established by evolutionary theories.
In other words, where where the fossil record shows a common ancestor many millions of years ago, DNA analysis also shows a common ancestor many millions of years ago.
Truth in regards to the bible on creation
Romans 1:25 (New International Version)
25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Yes, completely jabbering, making assertions unfounded in any serious definition of the word "truth."
Utter complete nonsense. Who ever told you you were a thinking human being? They lied.
Genesis until the birth of Christ is about the lineage a protected bloodline to the birth of Christ. NOW evolution is the exact opposite, there is NO ControlingLegalAuthority in charge of evolution. The gods of nature and environmental changes along with hot steamy reproducing get presented as the parameters of evolutionary biology.
Why was there Noah's flood? And why was it that Noah found 'grace' in the eyes of the Lord? Imagine that 'grace' way back in Genesis 6. Noah and his family had perfect pedigree. Now if this evolution idea is the means and methods use by the Heavenly Father why would he be so upset with His children and the 'giants' they began to produce that he would wipe all of them out?????
Are you asking an honest question, or just trying to be funny?
**They PREACH the GOSPEL according to DARWIN, and then they create Government WELFARE Programs designed to THWART DARWINISM at Every turn.**
I repeat as you didn’t answer the point. INSTEAD, you Hypocrites CHANGED THE SUBJECT.
Explain, if you believe in Darwin’s “SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST” (which IS the basis of the book “ORIGIN OF THE SPECIES”), WHY to you LIBERALS Install WELFARE PROGRAMS to protect the Lesser of Society that should be culled by NATURAL SELECTION.
BUT no ... the Liberal TROLLS only call names like Hitler and HOLOCAUST DENIER... next thing we’ll be called ALGORE DENIERS too ...
you scum waste our time.. as you cant answer the question, send your post to you KOokS and DHUMMIES, they’ll listen to your tripe.
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