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How Much Longer Can They Sell Darwinism?
From Sea to Shining Sea ^ | 1/4/09 | Purple Mountains

Posted on 01/04/2009 5:39:47 AM PST by PurpleMountains

All across the country, archeologists, paleontologists and biologists are taking part in what is perhaps the greatest example of political correctness in history – their adherence to Darwinism and their attempts to ostracize any scientist who does not agree with them. In doing so, they are not only ignoring the vast buildup of recent scientific discoveries that seriously undermines the basics of Darwinism, but they are also participating, due to politically correctness, in a belief system that indirectly resulted in the deaths of millions of people – those slaughtered by the Stalins, the Hitlers, the Maos, the Pol Pots and others who took their cue from Darwinism’s tenets.

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To: RFEngineer

**“I repeat as you didn’t answer the point. INSTEAD, you Hypocrites CHANGED THE SUBJECT.”**

Which you just did, AGAIN.. answer the Original Question.


201 posted on 01/04/2009 12:29:37 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's "1984" .. to Conservatives- a WARNING, to Liberals - a TEXTBOOK)
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To: valkyry1

“you mean the evolutionist fantasy that man is not human,...

...ape is man, man is ape creature descended from the greater apes”

There is plenty of evidence of latent ape-like behavior on this very thread!


202 posted on 01/04/2009 12:30:27 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: gwilhelm56

Your premise that evolution is somehow a liberal principle is simply wrong. It’s a scientific conclusion which liberals or conservatives can either accept or reject.

This site has pretty much run off all the conservatives who accept evolution, but that is more of a reflection of the religious wing of conservatism rejecting science than proof of evolution having any sort of political bias at all.


203 posted on 01/04/2009 12:30:37 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: DevNet; Coyoteman

I hope his papers are a lot stronger than what he posts as solid scientific evidence of his evolutionary claims.


204 posted on 01/04/2009 12:30:44 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: kittymyrib
What a world we will live in when all that governs the affairs of men is the doctrine of the “survival of the fittest,” better stated as “the law of the jungle.”

Oh boy do you willfully ignorant ignoramuses not understand a thing. "The law of the jungle," which I take you take to mean knock down drag out battles to the end whenever beast meets beast and "evolution" are not the same thing at all. One of the things that evolves is the emergence of the rules of social interactions (dogs, monkeys, etc.). Survival does not mean being the strongest predator, unless you are a preditor - and being a predator is a pretty tough life actually if you look at lions, for instance. A male lion has about the worst job description in the world, with a short tenure and when the axe falls it really falls.

The evolution of rules of social interaction to ensure the survival of a society is a significant part of evolutionary theory. Ever watch a pack of wild dog, for instance? While they are ruthless hunters, it really is one for all and all for one in the pack with fair sharing of kills and ensuring that the young get their due portion.

205 posted on 01/04/2009 12:30:53 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: gwilhelm56

206 posted on 01/04/2009 12:33:42 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: valkyry1

> you mean the evolutionist fantasy that man is not human,...

How do you know God didn’t use apes as a prototype when creating Man? It would seem rather wasteful to get it 99% right with the Chimpanzee, only to scrap it all and start from scratch with Adam.

Any sensible Engineer would have the commonsense to prototype. And God has at least as much commonsense as any sensible Engineer.


207 posted on 01/04/2009 12:34:23 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: gwilhelm56

208 posted on 01/04/2009 12:34:34 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Dog Gone
I suppose his PhD thesis wouldn’t count in your book.

Actually when posting on internet chat rooms my Ph.D. doesn't count.

The only thing that counts is the quality and accuracy of my posts. This begins with grammar and spelling, and runs the gamut through logic, relevance, and information content.

In this regard I will match my posting history against those of our resident anti-science crowd any day.

209 posted on 01/04/2009 12:35:28 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: gwilhelm56

“Which you just did, AGAIN.. answer the Original Question.”

Your original question posits a conclusion already. To acknowledge that it is even a question is to get mired within the ignorance of its source.

Use your highly-evolved brain (though not as evolved as most) and ask a question without a delusion attached to it.

There are plenty of arguments of faith, and other arguments of science. If you ponder them carefully you will see that they are actually separate arguments that do not preclude each other.

So, are you going to give us the clever punchline to your original question, assuming there is one?


210 posted on 01/04/2009 12:37:11 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Jaime2099
They believe it because it was peer reviewed, simple as that.

HS Your knowledge of science is zilch.

211 posted on 01/04/2009 12:37:43 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Fawn

I believe that a Supernatural God (the God of the Bible) created man and woman (Adam & Eve).

Condescension is not pretty.

I will not condescend to you even though you believe that a mud puddle created life (violating the scientific natural law of Biogenesis) and that the mud puddle came from nothing (violating the scientific natural law of Conservation of Matter and Energy....the first law of thermodynamics, and the scientific natural law of Cause and Effect)

I stood in the same spot as you....and believed those things for 50 years of my life. Though I thought I believed it based on science (because that’s what I was taught in school), I now know that it was based on faith, just as is what I have come to believe now.

Because I once believed those things, I will not condescend.


212 posted on 01/04/2009 12:38:05 PM PST by schaef21
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To: schaef21

“Because I once believed those things, I will not condescend.”

But by not condescending, you condescend.


213 posted on 01/04/2009 12:46:04 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: valkyry1

Something tells me that you would be unwilling to accept any evidence that anyone offers. But prove me wrong - what evidence would you be willing to accept?


214 posted on 01/04/2009 12:47:04 PM PST by DevNet (!dimensio || !solitron)
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To: Coyoteman

Hey look, you’re the guy who used to post images of his perverse fetish for the centaur creature on these threads among other things.


215 posted on 01/04/2009 12:47:20 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: Coyoteman
Actually when posting on internet chat rooms my Ph.D. doesn't count

Either it counts or it doesn't, if it doesn't count you can quit bringing it up and directing people to refer to you as 'dr. coyote'

216 posted on 01/04/2009 12:50:32 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: metmom
Science cannot deal with the more critical issues of morals, without which society ceases to function....Nobody is trying to destroy science. We just want to see it used for what it's meant to be used for. Not as a weapon used to bludgeon those who disagree with you into submission forcing them to accept and follow your world view, not as a tool used to advance your political and religious ideology.

Your first problem is to view the theory of evolution as antithetical to or incompatible with a theory of morality. A vital field of research in evolutionary theory is what is called "the evolution of cooperation" which is what morality is about. You might look it up some time.

If morality were inconsistent with the survival of society it would have died long ago, but quite the opposite has happened. Those societies that are the strongest over time are the most moral, and when morality weakens societies weaken. The mistake you make is to confound individual survival with societal survival and assume that the theory of evolution and "survival of the fittest" will generate the dominance of the individual over a society.

But that is not even the case in the wild's of Africa. Predators in Africa live a very precarious existence. Troops of baboons protect themselves against leopard quite effectively. Yes leopard survive and capture baboons, but the population density of leopard is quite low because their ability to pick something off is pretty meager.

Second, what you and your friends are attempting to do is put a boundary around what science can study beyond which you have demarked an unknown territory where there be dragons. But that is not what science does. It simply looks at facts and tries to create and explanatory model for those facts which can be elevated to theory or even law if it is broad enough and sustained by all observed facts over a period of time.

You cannot counter a theory by saying one cannot have one on a specific topic but rather you must put forward observable facts that are inconsistent with that theory.

217 posted on 01/04/2009 12:53:49 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: gwilhelm56

Wow. You certainly told him... er you.


218 posted on 01/04/2009 12:56:40 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule." - H L Mencken.)
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To: RFEngineer; gwilhelm56

219 posted on 01/04/2009 12:59:18 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: valkyry1

I brought it up, and it does count. Either you respect the knowledge that it necessarily implies, or you don’t.

You can’t maintain that Coyoteman is some sort of illiterate rube spouting liberal lies when he’s not a liberal and is actually a highly-accomplished scientist.

You obviously don’t want to read what he writes, but I think I know whose problem that is.


220 posted on 01/04/2009 12:59:31 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Caramelgal
All across the country, archeologists, paleontologists and biologists are taking part in what is perhaps the greatest example of political correctness in history – their adherence to Darwinism and their attempts to ostracize any scientist who does not agree with them.

Breaking News From CNN (Caramelgal News Network):

Dateline 01/04/2009 – Taos, New Mexico

During the opening session of the second annual conference of ASS-BS! (Alternate Sciences Simply - Being Stifled!), members from all over the world having diverse interests ranging from UFO Abductions, Crop Circles, Alchemy, Ghost Hunting and Spectral Analysis, Phrenology, Numerology and Astrology, today issued a statement of solidarity with Creation Scientists.

Official ASS-BS spokesperson Sarah Goode, having a BS degree in Alternative Medicine and a PhD in Witchcraft from the Institute of Multi-disciplined Programs - Online Honors (IMP - OH), said, “It is high time that the mainstream scientific community came out of their ivory towers and recognize the legitimacy of alternate points of view. All we want is for our highly specialized scientific disciplines and our legitimate research to be included in science curriculums and in text books”. She added, “All we are asking for is some equal time, all we want is for students to get a well rounded education and in this we empathize with and join with the Creation Scientists” (even though I personally abhor their religion, she added).

Noted author, physician and expert on UFO Abductions Dr. Hyman Sphincter, a retired proctologist told CNN, “I’ve published many scientific papers on both my web blog and on my My Space Page on the science of UFO Abductions. I have submitted many of these papers, papers that use a lot of science-y words and terminology for peer review and publication to many prestigious institutions including the Applied Physics Lab at Johns Hopkins University and the Astronomy Department of Cambridge University and their silence has been deafening not to mention leaving me feel more than a little sore about it.” “I feel like I’ve hit rock bottom”, he continued, “As a fellow scientist, I can’t understand why I’ve been ostracize and shut out by these so called scientific institutions. It is a conspiracy to silence the truth I tell you and it all started with the Government back in Roswell back in the late 40’s and it continues to this day. I’ve seen the dark side, I’ve been probed and I know the truth. And I won’t be silenced; I have an internet connection, a Thesaurus, a webpage and I know how to use them”.

CNN attempted to reach Dr. Sphincter for follow up questions on his recent DUI arrest but he was unavailable for further comment. One conference attendee, who wished to remain anonymous, told CNN that Dr. Sphincter was seen rummaging the hotel’s kitchen looking for tinfoil and was last seen in the hotel’s lounge signing Karaoke with some Japanese tourists.

Immaculate Sister, Wanda Ann Kimball-Osborne, (affectionately known to her friends as ISWAKO) a self-described prophet and expert in the Biblical Study of Numerology in the Book of Revelations and on Nostradamus, told CNN, “We who are knowledgeable about like stuff, like this stuff, know that there are like secret codes, numerical codes in the Bible that were put there by God, telling us stuff that we need to know and like science and many people who think they are like so rational and so like, choose to ignore it. But like they like ignore it at their own peril and at the risk of their souls. The End is Near but we who know will be saved. Those who don’t, well like they are certainly all like going to Hell and other bad stuff.”

In her opening address to the conference she further elaborated, “Science ignores us and that is intolerable. There was a time, not so very long ago when Numerology, Phrenology and Alchemy were all recognized as legitimate sciences. Then along came those modern scientists and mathematicians and their silly methods and rules and all of a sudden we were committed to the ash pile of history. We, unlike those silly Astrologers, are like really legitimate scientists.”

At this point in her speech, several astrologers took offence and walked out of the conference. Professional Astrologers In Action, LLC. told CNN through their attorney that they plan to issue a statement of protest and plan to formally separate themselves from ASS-BS.

This is not the first time the ASS-BS conference has encountered controversy among its membership.

Just prior to last year’s conference members of the Guild of Mediums and Clairvoyants refused their invitation to attend the first ASS-BS conference and issued a statement stating, “We’ve looked into the future and we can see that mainstream science is just not going to give us any legitimacy any time in the foreseeable future. If we were to attend this conference, then we would be subject to much ridicule with people saying that – “We should have seen that coming””.

And prior to this year’s conference ASS-BS issued an invitation to members of Answer in Genesis and the Discovery Institute but mistakenly sent the invitations to AIG Insurance and The Discovery Channel.

Maurice R. Greenberg, AIG’s former chief executive, reached on his private jet on route from Washington DC and a meeting with Congress on the bailout, confirmed that he thinks he received the invitation but was confused by it and thinks his secretary threw it out with other junk mail he received like an offer from Countrywide for a mortgage refinance. “As if I don’t have enough problems already”, he said before abruptly hanging up.

The founder of Answers in Genesis and the Creation Museum, Ken Ham when reached for comment told CNN, “I never received any invitation from ASS-BS and if I had, I wouldn’t accept it. Those people are nuts. We want our views to have equal time in the science classroom but to include members of the ASS-BS? Are you kidding me?

Shortly after this interview, CNN sadly reports that Ken Ham was eaten by a dinosaur.

The Discovery Channel could not be reached for comment.

Disclaimer: this was satire and any resemblance to any person, living or dead or posting on Free Republic, is purely coincidental….. ;),
222 posted on 01/04/2009 1:01:13 PM PST by Caramelgal (Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.)
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Now it’s even funnier.


223 posted on 01/04/2009 1:01:39 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule." - H L Mencken.)
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To: gwilhelm56

Whats wrong with the pictures? We know that dinosaurs and man existed at the same time, right?

Also, those insults aren’t very Christian of you.


224 posted on 01/04/2009 1:04:15 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: gwilhelm56

Thanks for punctuating your sentences with CAPS every NOW AND then. It really HELPS to GET YOUR POINT across in A WAY that makes YOU APPEAR very well reasoned AND logical.


226 posted on 01/04/2009 1:06:12 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Caramelgal
Shortly after this interview, CNN sadly reports that Ken Ham was eaten by a dinosaur.

"Sadly"? The liberul media would be ecstatic. (As would I)

227 posted on 01/04/2009 1:06:24 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule." - H L Mencken.)
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To: gwilhelm56

Your debating method needs work.


229 posted on 01/04/2009 1:07:37 PM PST by DevNet (!dimensio || !solitron)
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To: gwilhelm56

WHAT MAKEs you THINK that I am a MARXIST?


230 posted on 01/04/2009 1:08:31 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: gwilhelm56
YO, DOG DOO ... Coyoteman is nothing but a bunch of bits and bytes. You however are DOG SQUEEZE. Scientist is not a LIBERAL?? MANY MANY MANY ARE. I deal with them, and ALL (except 2 or 3) make MARX look like a MODERATE. SCIENTISTS and some good ones, have FALLEN FOR ALGORE’s GloBULL WARMING CRAP, so being a SCIENTIST is not protection from STUPIDITY.

I bow to your superior intellect, charm, writing skills, and Christian attitude.

232 posted on 01/04/2009 1:09:48 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: gwilhelm56

Thank you for your kind welcome!


233 posted on 01/04/2009 1:10:54 PM PST by DevNet (!dimensio || !solitron)
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To: gwilhelm56

Posting of personal attacks is prohibited.


234 posted on 01/04/2009 1:17:36 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: DevNet; gwilhelm56
Starting with your mother's whorehouse. I wonder where it would go from there.

FR is not quite the friendly place it once used to be.

Pretty interesting comment for what passes as a science thread here.

235 posted on 01/04/2009 1:21:05 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: gwilhelm56

KNOCK IT OFF!


236 posted on 01/04/2009 1:21:19 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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NEVER SAID I WAS A CHRISTIAN... as for the INSULTS, those are COMPLIMENTS... HONEST ASSESSMENT of your Character,brains or LACK THEREOF, Would get me BANNED.

That is such a nifty statement. Your insults are actually compliments.

When your head explodes, I hope it's captured on You Tube.

237 posted on 01/04/2009 1:26:34 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: NicknamedBob
Very interesting. But, if apples can’t rise, how do they get up on the tree?

And besides that; if applesauce is true, why are there still apples?

You're really challenging my core beliefs now.

238 posted on 01/04/2009 1:32:57 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: PurpleMountains
I get it!!!!!!!!!!

So, since the teachings of this guy........ ......

......caused this guy...........

to do what he did...........

.......then the teachings of this guy..............

......must've caused this guy..........

......to do what he did.......

Therefore, this guy....... .....and his whole philosophy is Evil!!!!!

239 posted on 01/04/2009 1:36:26 PM PST by DoctorMichael (Creationists on the internet: The Ignorant, amplifying the Stupid.)
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To: DoctorMichael

That’s a disturbing argument, but it’s there, not to prove the truth of the argument, but to disprove the use of it to blame Darwin for Hitler.

That’s effective, but only if people think about it before responding.


240 posted on 01/04/2009 1:45:30 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: gwilhelm56
Funny ... we said the same thing about FAITH, and that wasn’t GOOD ENOUGH...you wanted CONCRETE PROOF. I’m just asking for the same.

What playing field do you want to be on? If you want to subject your religious beliefs to the scientific method, you're going to very quickly find that those beliefs can't be supported by scientific method.

What, exactly, are your asking for proof of? That evolution occurs? That has been proven by hundreds, if not thousands, of experiments throughout the decades.

I’d still like an answer to my question ... If LIberals believe DARWIN is FACT, Why do they create Welfare programs to Thwart Darwins SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST???

Because few people, especially among the left, use scientific theories as a moral guide. I'm not a liberal, I accept that the TOE is the best theory based on the available evidence, but I certainly don't consider it as a basis for how we should order our society.

241 posted on 01/04/2009 1:49:07 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: Coyoteman

It seems that, when pushed to actually defend their viewpoints, many Creationists simply devolve into spittle-flecked invective.


242 posted on 01/04/2009 1:57:37 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: Dog Gone
Guns Philosphies don't kill people, people kill people.
243 posted on 01/04/2009 1:59:17 PM PST by DoctorMichael (Creationists on the internet: The Ignorant, amplifying the Stupid.)
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To: Matchett-PI

Excellent analogy.

The Palestinians sacrifice their children to Allah as homicide bombers as well as to appease the MSM demigods of public opinion as well placed ‘collateral damage’.


244 posted on 01/04/2009 2:01:08 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: Citizen Blade

I don’t know what the moderators did, but most of the spittle is now gone.

That doesn’t refute your assertion, but at least it’s not here anymore.


245 posted on 01/04/2009 2:03:15 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: DoctorMichael
Guns Philosphies don't kill people, people kill people.

True enough, and evolution isn't even a philosophy. It's the scientific conclusion from the evaluation of all the available evidence.

It could be wrong. I doubt it. It's been examined for longer than Einstein's theories. For many, it's whether to believe that Genesis 1 and 2 are literal, or to believe the facts on the ground.

You'd think that the biblical literalist would finally accept fact. It's not like the Bible isn't filled with parables and allegory. Jesus openly used them. It's the insistence that Genesis is actual fact that causes the controversy.

246 posted on 01/04/2009 2:16:26 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: BroJoeK
First of all, when most animals die, they get quickly eaten -- so whole species could rise and go extinct without leaving a fossil record for us to eventually find.

So we don't find a fossil record of animals that adapted in the wrong way, you claim they are all eaten?! But we find a fossil record of animals that adapted correctly.

That is hard to believe.

Second, there's no such thing as "right direction." Species adapt to survive in their environment. If the environment changes, then the species must either change or die out. To adapt incorrectly is to disappear.

First, there is adaptation in the right direction and the wrong direction, if evolution is random. If a species that moves to a colder climate grows additional fur to stay warm, that is adaptation in the right direction. If a species that moves to a colder climate loses its fur, that is adaptation in the wrong direction.

If animals only adapt in the right direction, it proves intelligent design....that there is a mechanism that causes species to adapt in the right direction.

If the species adapts in the wrong direction, we should find evidence of it in the fossil records. We don't. All we find is evidence of species that adapted in the right direction.

If you want to believe that all those who adapted in the wrong direction were eaten and only those who adapted in the right direction ended up in the fossil record then you simply don't understand the argument.

247 posted on 01/04/2009 3:10:15 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Dog Gone

You like to reach grasp for conclusions about people when the evidence is not there

show the proof of your claims you made about me in your statement


248 posted on 01/04/2009 3:10:25 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: DoctorMichael

Only in your own mind


249 posted on 01/04/2009 3:13:22 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: schaef21

I did not know about evolution because I was in a Catholic school and always was taught Adam and Eve and believed it. Then as I got older..I got wiser, gained common sense and logic and saw that Evolution was the real truth. I equate it to not believing in santa claus anymore.


250 posted on 01/04/2009 3:13:38 PM PST by Fawn (I want my bailout too!!!!)
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