Posted on 01/04/2009 5:39:47 AM PST by PurpleMountains
All across the country, archeologists, paleontologists and biologists are taking part in what is perhaps the greatest example of political correctness in history – their adherence to Darwinism and their attempts to ostracize any scientist who does not agree with them. In doing so, they are not only ignoring the vast buildup of recent scientific discoveries that seriously undermines the basics of Darwinism, but they are also participating, due to politically correctness, in a belief system that indirectly resulted in the deaths of millions of people – those slaughtered by the Stalins, the Hitlers, the Maos, the Pol Pots and others who took their cue from Darwinism’s tenets.
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The question is not whether miracles happen but whether they can ever be part of science.
I believe the last time this came up I asked whether it is inherently anti-religious to attempt to find natural causes for a claimed miracle.
More specifically, I wondered if there isn’t some potential for common benefit if a sudden unexpected cure is investigated. If there is a natural cause for an unexpected remission of disease, it may lead to a general treatment.
Well, they would have in a manner of speaking, but from common ancestors representing *kinds* on the ark. Nobody is denying that variation within species happens. All you have to do is walk through a crowded mall at Christmastime.
It sure fits better with the sudden appearance of fully the formed species that the fossil record shows.
The label of *species* is too vague and too arbitrary to be of much use.
It wasn't for a long time, and it is not inherently, but it sure has been hijacked for that use in recent times. (Dawkins, et al)
I don’t see that that link addresses what tacticalogic was saying. Or thought I was saying.
The word has cause communication failures in biology, fer sure.
Nothing can be effected, unless favourable variations occur, and variation itself is apparently always a very slow process. The process will often be greatly retarded by free intercrossing. Many will exclaim that these several causes are amply sufficient wholly to stop the action of natural selection. I do not believe so. On the other hand, I do believe that natural selection will always act very slowly, often only at long intervals of time, and generally on only a very few of the inhabitants of the same region at the same time. I further believe, that this very slow, intermittent action of natural selection accords perfectly well with what geology tells us of the rate and manner at which the inhabitants of this world have changed.
Pop quiz: Who wrote this? Who first proposed that evolutionary change would be intermittent?
The problem is: What is it about mathematics that makes it indispensable and moreover trustworthy?
Perhaps you might find a question like this tiresome, or even irrelevant tacticalogic.
I have a good rule that I follow, called the "Five Whys." It basically says that you have to ask the question, "Why?" five times before you can get to the root of any problem. And that's where you'll likely find its logical foundation.
It's only a "rule of thumb." But I find it an eminently useful one.
Does this make any sense to you?
In the case of the HIV/AIDS connection, I see nothing wrong with further research in the area especially considering the qualifications of the man who’s suggesting that HIV does not cause AIDS. When one of the foremost microbiologists in this country suggests something, you’d think people would at least give it a fair hearing.
If HIV IS the cause of AIDS, that research will only further confirm it, and it may be that in the process they stumble across something that gives us a better understanding of it.
If it’s not the cause of AIDS, better to stop wasting time and money now doing nothing more than chasing our tails. Find the real cause and help people.
Is there really something wrong with that?
Well here's what tact said:
It’s been submitted that the “Evos” aren’t being “objective” because they don’t accept particular events (modern day events, not Biblical events) as being “miracles”.
And here's what you said:
Interesting thing is, is that miracles have no natural explanation and yet they happen. No doubt about that. Talk to any medical professionals. They know. And yet the evoatheist side writes them off as unworthy of study because they deal with the supernatural (or extra-natural) and "science" only deals with the natural, things that can be observed, tested, repeated. So they, in effect, cut off a whole body of experience from investigation simply because they decide that it has no natural explanation.
I suppose it's a matter of opinion as to whether "aren’t being objective" is equivalent to "cut off a whole body of experience from investigation simply because they decide that it has no natural explanation".
There was nothing wrong with that 25 years ago.
I don’t think participation in this forum causes animosity. I think where it exists, animosity came with its possessor.
QED
My original statement was the common denominator among the things everyone agrees on is that they have objectively observable, and empirically measurable qualities.
You subscribe to one particular philosophy of mathematics, while other people subscribe to another. There is disagreement on which is best. Mathematics does not have objectivelhy observable and empirically measurable qualities. This is consistent with my original assertion.
There was no reference to, or implication of the "trustworhtyness" of mathematics.
Why am I getting dragged off on this tangent?
It's not a "tangent." It's the basic question: Where can I put my foot down on solid ground?
Nobody ever left a crevo thread mad at someone they weren't mad at before it started?
If it's "the basic question" it's your question, not mine. Put your foot down wherever you want.
Do you know who Harun Yahya is? The link I've provided goes to his website. Below is a quote. (Note to the mods: The website the quoted material comes from has this copyright notice on the bottom of its main page: "Harun Yahya International © 2008. All rights reserved. Our materials may be copied, printed and distributed, by referring to this site." I take this to be permission to quote extensively as long as the website, www.harunhayha.com, is credited. I do so here).
The common point in all the writer's works is that all the topics covered by his works are in full agreement with the Qur'an, and strongly affirmed by Qur'anic understanding. Even the topics addressed by science and mostly considered complicated and confusing are narrated very lucidly and explicitly in the books of Harun Yahya. For this reason, these books appeal to everyone, from every age and social group.That’s from the website of the author featured in your first link. Got that? Everything he writes is calculated radical Islamic propaganda!Harun Yahya's books on faith-related topics communicate the existence and oneness of God and are written with the main purpose of introducing Islam to those who are strangers to religion, and reconciling their hearts to the truth. For Muslims, these books are advice as well as a reminder. The writer has published works on all the basic issues referred to in the Qur'an that expand the dedication and contemplation of Muslims.
Each of the author's books on science-related topics stresses the might, sublimity, and majesty of God in minute detail based on well-structured research and evidence, along with extensive contemplation. These books display, for non-Muslims, the signs of the existence of God, and the excellence of His creation in a very explicit and precise way. On the other hand, they add to the faith and submission of believers, and can serve as perfect materials for communicating Islam to other people (where religion is not practiced in its full sense). A sub-group within this series are the "Books Demolishing the Lie of Evolution". The main purpose of these books is to demolish the materialistic and atheistic philosophy which has been put forward as an alternative and rival to religion and has been imposed on the whole world since the 19th century. The great impact the books make on readers signifies that this purpose is fulfilled to a great extent. These books, just as it is stated in the Qur'an in the words "We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain" (Surat al-Anbiya, 18), demolish the brain, i.e., the thought system and ideology of the faithless system; and help complete (the revelation of) God's light (Surat as-Saff, 8). For these reasons, these books play a significant role in the intellectual war against non-belief.
The symbolic meaning of the seal of the Prophet Muhammed (May God bless him and grant him peace) on the covers of all of the books by the writer is related to the content of the books. This seal is an indication that the Qur'an is the last book and the last word of God, and our Prophet Muhammad (May God bless him and grant him peace) is the last of His messengers. By taking this attribute of the Qur'an and the Prophet, the writer seeks, in all of his works, to refute all the basic claims of the systems of disbelief and utter the "last word" which will put a definite end to the assertions of infidelity. The stamp of the Prophet Muhammed (May God bless him and grant him peace) who has the greatest honour and wisdom, is used as a prayer for the intention of saying this last word.
In all the books by the author, faith-related issues are explained in the light of the Qur'anic verses and the Hadith and people are invited to learn God's words and to live by them. All the subjects that concern God's verses are explained in such a way as to leave no room for doubt or question marks in the reader's mind. The sincere, plain and fluent style employed ensures that everyone of every age and from every social group can easily understand the books. This effective and lucid narrative makes it possible to read them in a single sitting. Even those whorigorously reject spirituality are influenced by the facts recounted in these books and cannot refute the truthfulness of their contents.
I go to the trouble of pointing this out because we all know you “DEMAND” accuracy, and to omit the above would be less than accurate … don’t you agree? Perhaps you don’t; perhaps you are as cavalier about spread radical Islamic propaganda as you are about your typing.
Here are a few convenient pull-quotes from the above material, in case reading that enormous block of text is too taxing:
“The common point in all the writer's works is that all the topics covered by his works are in full agreement with the Qur'an, and strongly affirmed by Qur'anic understanding.”
Here’s another goodie:
“Harun Yahya's books on faith-related topics communicate the existence and oneness of God and are written with the main purpose of introducing Islam to those who are strangers to religion, and reconciling their hearts to the truth.”
And to be sure the DEMAND for accuracy is fully met:
“By taking this attribute of the Qur'an and the Prophet, the writer seeks, in all of his works, to refute all the basic claims of the systems of disbelief and utter the "last word" which will put a definite end to the assertions of infidelity.”
And you want people at FR to swallow this.
Keep up the good work.
And, once again, I ask you to show me an example.
Can you point out a species that exists today via adaptation whose lineage can be traced back to fossils, some of which that adapted in the wrong direction?
I thought science wasn’t set in stone. Being a bit dogmatic, are we?
Should be ...
"Perhaps you don’t; perhaps you are as cavalier about spreading radical Islamic propaganda as you are about your typing. "
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