Skip to comments.EMP attack would wipe out hundreds of millions of Americans
Posted on 02/13/2009 7:30:24 AM PST by FatMax
Bill Forstchen, Newt Gingrich's co-author of several books is interviewed on Unto the Breach, and discusses Abraham Lincoln's bicentennial. In the middle of the interview, Bill mentions his research on an EMP attack, which terrorists could employ apparently at any time. Such an attack he said could wipe out most of the US overnight.
Looks like a zothouse publication.
Shouldn’t there be a special site for Apocalyptic News?
But my Tweenage daughters would just die without their cell phones, they told me so.
Nobody is going to die from an EMP event. The man being quoted, if its an accurate quote, just killed his credibility.
Nonsense. A strong EMP can disable the infrastructure. It can’t “wipe out” an entire continent... unless the genius author has a different idea of what an EMP is. Hyperbole isn’t wise on serious matters.
bunk. infrastructure maybe - killing Americans, bunk.
Do I smell ozone???
I think you would be in more danger from the source of the EMP rather than the EMP itself.
Ok it’s overstated, but the point remains. Having a pacemaker (at 40 even) I’m not quite so quick to laugh off the threat.
It doesn’t looks so harmless to me.
An attack of sufficient power and coverage kills ALL unhardened electronics.
So ... no civilian comms like cel phones, most land line phones, radios. People are in the dark. NEwer cars won’t even start. Starbucks cash registers won’t operate. Anchor women and anchor men have no teleprompters.
Electrical grid largely shut down in the distribution lines and step down transformers. Ya got little or no civilian power
Food doesn’t get delivered. You can’t pump gas. You can’t call 911 (like that would help anyway)
The risks are a rapid loss of social order, starvation, collapse of economy .. pretty much a Charlie Foxtrot of Democratic proportions.
The challenge is getting that powerful EMP explosion as a series of airbursts or low earth orbit detonations OF SUFFICIENT POWER.
It’s a real threat. Maybe tougher to make good on than the threat-mongers will say.
One EMP will cause Amerika to lose 500,000,000 jobs! - IBTZ.
Depends on the frequency. It only takes about 100 Joules to stop the heart, but like I said the source of the EMP would be a bigger concern for you than the EMP itself. The EMP would have a larger effect on non-hardend electronics.
It’d only wipe out your boyfriends on DU. Freepers generally wear anti-EMP suits to prevent this sort of catastrophe from affecting us.
EMP = ElectroMagnetic Pulse
Shouldn’t you be over on the chemtrail thread?
A good number (not hundreds of millions) would probably die if in fact the EMP took out all the electrical grids. No power, heat, can’t start vehicles, no computers, cell phones...anything requiring electricity or using circuitry could potentially crap out. Internet porn addicts would most likely commit suicide, which would be a good thing! :)
I know I wear EMP sheilded underware. Just to play it safe.
That’s an EMP resulting from an nuclear explosion. The author is talking about EMPs from EMP weapons only. Big difference.
All you need is a nuke, and a delivery mechanism to loft the nuke to a certain height.
Iran is close to having a nuke.
Iran just launched a satellite.
The EMP blast should occur at an altitude of 300 miles -- satellites are much higher, so this altitude is very achievable for Iran.
The only 2 questions are:
Can the Iranian rocket lift a nuke (I think their satellite was quite small).
Would Iran mind the retaliatory strike from our subs (which would not be affected by the EMP)?
Rioting in the cities when the food fails to arrive in the stores?
There is. Abovetopsecret.com, Coasttocoastam.com
This is where we all go visit our Amish friends for a month or so...
I smell ozone...
Only if they're all Cylons.
You can cause the same thing by just starting a rumor that Walmart is giving way Nitendo DS's.
Unless we are all robots and not aware of it, I don’t think it would “wipe us out”.
The only thing that would threaten significant lives would be if clean water stopped flowing. That’s the only thing that would threaten large numbers of americans in a short enough time frame that you couldn’t get other basic services online.
No clean water = pandemics quickly, particularly in urban environments.
Wipe out the infrastructure, the natives will do the rest of the nasty business for you.
A distant EMP is limited in intensity by the crucial factor of what voltage causes the breakdown of air as an insulator. Above that voltage, air breaks down and the current flows. We experience this when we slide across a carpet and draw a spark when we reach for a door knob.
The effects of an EM pulse will also vary according to its polarization with respect to power cords, antennas and various wires in every device. Wires that run cross-ways to the pulse will pick up a lot less voltage than those laying parallel to it.
It must be admitted that a bolt of lightening is a type of EMP, even if its frequency curve is lower than one from a nuclear explosion. I was at a meeting when a power pole next to the building received a direct lightening strike that knocked one arm off the power pole. One microwave oven in the building was zapped, but not a single computer, cell phone, or car radio was damaged even though they were just a few dozen feet from where the bolt traveled.
The sum and substance of a deliberate EMP attack will be that some devices will be damaged and some will not be. For that very reason alone, it makes a poor military tactic, even as it will cause an unknown amount of economic damage.
Disregard my last post. I was cornfused for a moment.
‘Rioting in the cities when the food fails to arrive in the stores?’
Yes, there actually are some positives to a EMP detonation....(chuckle)
Your first post and it's inaccurate. Welcome to FR. Where you come from?
EMP attack would wipe out hundreds of millions of
Americans electrical devices
Well emp killing directly doubtful BUT I can think of several devastating and immediate results for such:
Passengers planes in Mid-flight if they were close enough to the EMP would lose electrical Power. If the EMP blows out all the electronics that isn't going to end well.
Shutting down the traffic signal systems would cause some accidents. Hospitals without power would have many deaths due to loss of life support equipment.
So yeah the EMP wouldn't kill them directly but lots of folks would probably die if there was a sudden and massive loss of electrical power, but I doubt Hundreds of Millions would die immediately as a result.
Read about Faraday Cages. Many things that lots of folks think won’t work (cars, gas pumps) are actually not as vulnerable as one might think. A car is basically a big Faraday Cage, so is a gas pump, encased in metal.
Also, in my research on this, I was surprised to find that EMP attacks are more localized than I was originally led to believe.
I did a bit of research on this, as I’m lately on a survivalist kick and I’m trying to prepare for any eventuality I can think of.
Al-Qaeda of course is a different matter.
When the infrastructure is destroyed,
you will starve to death or not be able to find clean water.
I’ve got a well and I can dig up a hand pump if needed. I’ll sell water at a fair price.
‘When the infrastructure is destroyed,
you will starve to death or not be able to find clean water.’
Maybe YOU would, not me or mine.
(From the author’s site - excerpt)
EMP is shorthand for Electro Magnetic Pulse. It is a rather unusual and frightening by-product when a nuclear bomb is detonated above the earths atmosphere. We all know that our atmosphere and the magnetic field which surrounds our planet is a thin layer which not only keeps us alive, but also protects us from dangerous radiation from the sun. On a fairly regular basis there are huge solar storms on the suns surface which emit powerful jets of deadly radiation. If not for the protective layer of our atmosphere and magnetic field, those storms would fry us. At times though, the storm is so power that enough disruptive energy reaches the earths surface that it drowns out radio waves and even shorts electrical power grids. . .this happened seve ral years back in Canada.
And our gov’t, whose primary responsibility is providing for our defense, won’t take this seriously. Bill talks about that, too. The show was supposed to be about Abraham Lincoln’s bicentennial, and this should have been a show of its own.
Go ahead and laugh it up. Just look into it. Heritage.org has written about it, not just us freaks with tinfoil hats.
So I can say that any other significant power collapse will “cause hundreds of millions of deaths”? The effects described sound pretty much to what happened in New Orleans during the hurricane. It’s hysterical hyperbole. If electricity dependant infrastructure collapses, without the possibility of rebuilding within forseeable time, folks will have to live like they did before everything was electrified.
An EMP is serious business, but this ridiculous hyperbole diminishes the seriousness of this issue.
Actually, I am posting from the inside of a farraday cage.
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