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EMP attack would wipe out hundreds of millions of Americans
Unto the Breach ^ | 12 Feb 2009

Posted on 02/13/2009 7:30:24 AM PST by FatMax

Bill Forstchen, Newt Gingrich's co-author of several books is interviewed on Unto the Breach, and discusses Abraham Lincoln's bicentennial. In the middle of the interview, Bill mentions his research on an EMP attack, which terrorists could employ apparently at any time. Such an attack he said could wipe out most of the US overnight.


TOPICS: Government; History; Humor; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: duh; emp; hysterical; iran; terrorism; tm; zot
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The website for his book is http://www.onesecondafter.com/
1 posted on 02/13/2009 7:30:24 AM PST by FatMax
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To: FatMax

Looks like a zothouse publication.


2 posted on 02/13/2009 7:32:27 AM PST by allmost
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To: FatMax
EMP attack would wipe out hundreds of millions of Americans

LOL Hundreds of millions is pretty much all of us unless we live an Nazi Pelousi's little world. Not sure an EMP would have much effect on flesh and blood anyway.
3 posted on 02/13/2009 7:33:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: allmost

Shouldn’t there be a special site for Apocalyptic News?


4 posted on 02/13/2009 7:33:24 AM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: cripplecreek
Not sure an EMP would have much effect on flesh and blood anyway.

But my Tweenage daughters would just die without their cell phones, they told me so.

5 posted on 02/13/2009 7:36:01 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: FatMax

EMP?


6 posted on 02/13/2009 7:36:42 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: FatMax

Fail


7 posted on 02/13/2009 7:37:01 AM PST by bigbob
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To: FatMax

Nobody is going to die from an EMP event. The man being quoted, if its an accurate quote, just killed his credibility.


8 posted on 02/13/2009 7:37:23 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: FatMax

Nonsense. A strong EMP can disable the infrastructure. It can’t “wipe out” an entire continent... unless the genius author has a different idea of what an EMP is. Hyperbole isn’t wise on serious matters.


9 posted on 02/13/2009 7:37:33 AM PST by SolidWood ("NO on the stimulus package" Governor Palin said.)
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To: FatMax

bunk. infrastructure maybe - killing Americans, bunk.

Do I smell ozone???


10 posted on 02/13/2009 7:40:17 AM PST by kimmie7 (***even deeper sigh***)
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To: FatMax

I think you would be in more danger from the source of the EMP rather than the EMP itself.


11 posted on 02/13/2009 7:40:20 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: FatMax

Ok it’s overstated, but the point remains. Having a pacemaker (at 40 even) I’m not quite so quick to laugh off the threat.


12 posted on 02/13/2009 7:40:40 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: cripplecreek

http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm

It doesn’t looks so harmless to me.


13 posted on 02/13/2009 7:41:06 AM PST by FatMax
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To: cripplecreek

An attack of sufficient power and coverage kills ALL unhardened electronics.

So ... no civilian comms like cel phones, most land line phones, radios. People are in the dark. NEwer cars won’t even start. Starbucks cash registers won’t operate. Anchor women and anchor men have no teleprompters.

Electrical grid largely shut down in the distribution lines and step down transformers. Ya got little or no civilian power

Food doesn’t get delivered. You can’t pump gas. You can’t call 911 (like that would help anyway)

The risks are a rapid loss of social order, starvation, collapse of economy .. pretty much a Charlie Foxtrot of Democratic proportions.

The challenge is getting that powerful EMP explosion as a series of airbursts or low earth orbit detonations OF SUFFICIENT POWER.

It’s a real threat. Maybe tougher to make good on than the threat-mongers will say.


14 posted on 02/13/2009 7:41:23 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: FatMax

One EMP will cause Amerika to lose 500,000,000 jobs! - IBTZ.


15 posted on 02/13/2009 7:41:51 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Obama? No Hope. Forget Change. Just more of the same old same old. Only worse. Much worse.)
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To: FatMax

Depends on the frequency. It only takes about 100 Joules to stop the heart, but like I said the source of the EMP would be a bigger concern for you than the EMP itself. The EMP would have a larger effect on non-hardend electronics.


16 posted on 02/13/2009 7:42:30 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: FatMax

It’d only wipe out your boyfriends on DU. Freepers generally wear anti-EMP suits to prevent this sort of catastrophe from affecting us.


17 posted on 02/13/2009 7:42:50 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: CindyDawg

EMP = ElectroMagnetic Pulse


18 posted on 02/13/2009 7:43:33 AM PST by green pastures
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To: FatMax

Shouldn’t you be over on the chemtrail thread?


19 posted on 02/13/2009 7:44:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

A good number (not hundreds of millions) would probably die if in fact the EMP took out all the electrical grids. No power, heat, can’t start vehicles, no computers, cell phones...anything requiring electricity or using circuitry could potentially crap out. Internet porn addicts would most likely commit suicide, which would be a good thing! :)


20 posted on 02/13/2009 7:44:15 AM PST by castowell (Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy, Lord have mercy....)
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To: cweese

I know I wear EMP sheilded underware. Just to play it safe.


21 posted on 02/13/2009 7:44:20 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: FatMax

That’s an EMP resulting from an nuclear explosion. The author is talking about EMPs from EMP weapons only. Big difference.


22 posted on 02/13/2009 7:44:40 AM PST by oldvike
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To: ctdonath2
I agree. It is overstated, but the task is not that hard, and the results would be very bad.

All you need is a nuke, and a delivery mechanism to loft the nuke to a certain height.

Iran is close to having a nuke.
Iran just launched a satellite.
The EMP blast should occur at an altitude of 300 miles -- satellites are much higher, so this altitude is very achievable for Iran.

The only 2 questions are:
Can the Iranian rocket lift a nuke (I think their satellite was quite small).
and
Would Iran mind the retaliatory strike from our subs (which would not be affected by the EMP)?

23 posted on 02/13/2009 7:45:46 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Obama must be the Antichrist. No one else would work so hard to destroy the US.)
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To: Badeye

Rioting in the cities when the food fails to arrive in the stores?


24 posted on 02/13/2009 7:46:10 AM PST by listenhillary (Rahm Emmanuel slip - A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: bboop

There is. Abovetopsecret.com, Coasttocoastam.com


25 posted on 02/13/2009 7:46:28 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: FatMax
To be effective, the Electro Magnetic Pulse (EMP) needs to be at altitude or near its target. This means NYC for the most effective damage to financial markets and probably on the ground since I don't think the terrorists have a delivery system that could penetrate our air defenses. I'm not saying it can't be done, only that it wouldn't be easy and likely it would be a single event most likely in NYC.
26 posted on 02/13/2009 7:46:40 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: cripplecreek

This is where we all go visit our Amish friends for a month or so...


27 posted on 02/13/2009 7:46:52 AM PST by x_plus_one
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To: FatMax

I smell ozone...


28 posted on 02/13/2009 7:47:36 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Hey, Obama! Where's my check?)
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To: FatMax
EMP attack would wipe out hundreds of millions of Americans

Only if they're all Cylons.

29 posted on 02/13/2009 7:48:00 AM PST by Redcloak ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: listenhillary
Rioting in the cities when the food fails to arrive in the stores?

You can cause the same thing by just starting a rumor that Walmart is giving way Nitendo DS's.

30 posted on 02/13/2009 7:48:10 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: FatMax

31 posted on 02/13/2009 7:48:17 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (INGSOC starts 1.20.09)
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To: FatMax

Unless we are all robots and not aware of it, I don’t think it would “wipe us out”.


32 posted on 02/13/2009 7:48:45 AM PST by autumnraine ($335 Million for STD research, still no cure for cancer. Thanks Obama)
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To: cripplecreek

The only thing that would threaten significant lives would be if clean water stopped flowing. That’s the only thing that would threaten large numbers of americans in a short enough time frame that you couldn’t get other basic services online.

No clean water = pandemics quickly, particularly in urban environments.


33 posted on 02/13/2009 7:48:45 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: SolidWood
It can’t “wipe out” an entire continent

Wipe out the infrastructure, the natives will do the rest of the nasty business for you.

34 posted on 02/13/2009 7:49:11 AM PST by Malsua
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To: FatMax
While I recognize there is equipment built to exactly mimic the effects of an EM pulse, for most of us, the closet we can come to seeing the effects is to recall what damage is done by a very close lightening strike.

A distant EMP is limited in intensity by the crucial factor of what voltage causes the breakdown of air as an insulator. Above that voltage, air breaks down and the current flows. We experience this when we slide across a carpet and draw a spark when we reach for a door knob.

The effects of an EM pulse will also vary according to its polarization with respect to power cords, antennas and various wires in every device. Wires that run cross-ways to the pulse will pick up a lot less voltage than those laying parallel to it.

It must be admitted that a bolt of lightening is a type of EMP, even if its frequency curve is lower than one from a nuclear explosion. I was at a meeting when a power pole next to the building received a direct lightening strike that knocked one arm off the power pole. One microwave oven in the building was zapped, but not a single computer, cell phone, or car radio was damaged even though they were just a few dozen feet from where the bolt traveled.

The sum and substance of a deliberate EMP attack will be that some devices will be damaged and some will not be. For that very reason alone, it makes a poor military tactic, even as it will cause an unknown amount of economic damage.

35 posted on 02/13/2009 7:49:22 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: oldvike

Disregard my last post. I was cornfused for a moment.


36 posted on 02/13/2009 7:49:33 AM PST by oldvike
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To: listenhillary

‘Rioting in the cities when the food fails to arrive in the stores?’

Yes, there actually are some positives to a EMP detonation....(chuckle)


37 posted on 02/13/2009 7:49:44 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: FatMax
It doesn’t looks so harmless to me.

Your first post and it's inaccurate. Welcome to FR. Where you come from?

EMP attack would wipe out hundreds of millions of Americans electrical devices

38 posted on 02/13/2009 7:49:57 AM PST by McGruff (Oh no, there goes Tokyo! Go go PORKZILLA!)
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To: kimmie7
"bunk. infrastructure maybe - killing Americans, bunk."

Well emp killing directly doubtful BUT I can think of several devastating and immediate results for such:

Passengers planes in Mid-flight if they were close enough to the EMP would lose electrical Power. If the EMP blows out all the electronics that isn't going to end well.

Shutting down the traffic signal systems would cause some accidents. Hospitals without power would have many deaths due to loss of life support equipment.

So yeah the EMP wouldn't kill them directly but lots of folks would probably die if there was a sudden and massive loss of electrical power, but I doubt Hundreds of Millions would die immediately as a result.

39 posted on 02/13/2009 7:50:16 AM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: Blueflag

Read about Faraday Cages. Many things that lots of folks think won’t work (cars, gas pumps) are actually not as vulnerable as one might think. A car is basically a big Faraday Cage, so is a gas pump, encased in metal.

Also, in my research on this, I was surprised to find that EMP attacks are more localized than I was originally led to believe.

I did a bit of research on this, as I’m lately on a survivalist kick and I’m trying to prepare for any eventuality I can think of.


40 posted on 02/13/2009 7:50:20 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: ClearCase_guy
The mullahs want nukes as a insurance against regime change and deterrance of attacks (ala North Korea). They are power hungry and bent on cementing their domestic rule and regional influence. This is dangerous and evil enough. But they are not nearly as suicidal as their rethoric suggests.

Al-Qaeda of course is a different matter.

41 posted on 02/13/2009 7:50:32 AM PST by SolidWood ("NO on the stimulus package" Governor Palin said.)
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To: Badeye
Nobody is going to die from an EMP event. The man being quoted, if its an accurate quote, just killed his credibility.

When the infrastructure is destroyed,
you will starve to death or not be able to find clean water.

42 posted on 02/13/2009 7:50:51 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: HamiltonJay

I’ve got a well and I can dig up a hand pump if needed. I’ll sell water at a fair price.


43 posted on 02/13/2009 7:50:52 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: XeniaSt

‘When the infrastructure is destroyed,
you will starve to death or not be able to find clean water.’

Maybe YOU would, not me or mine.


44 posted on 02/13/2009 7:51:34 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: FatMax
500M a month!

45 posted on 02/13/2009 7:51:45 AM PST by evets (beer)
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To: CindyDawg

(From the author’s site - excerpt)

http://www.onesecondafter.com/pb/wp_d10e87d9/wp_d10e87d9.html

EMP is shorthand for Electro Magnetic Pulse. It is a rather unusual and frightening by-product when a nuclear bomb is detonated above the earth’s atmosphere. We all know that our atmosphere and the magnetic field which surrounds our planet is a thin layer which not only keeps us alive, but also protects us from dangerous radiation from the sun. On a fairly regular basis there are huge solar storms on the sun’s surface which emit powerful jets of deadly radiation. If not for the protective layer of our atmosphere and magnetic field, those storms would fry us. At times though, the storm is so power that enough disruptive energy reaches the earth’s surface that it drowns out radio waves and even shorts electrical power grids. . .this happened seve ral years back in Canada.


46 posted on 02/13/2009 7:52:22 AM PST by FatMax
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To: Blueflag

And our gov’t, whose primary responsibility is providing for our defense, won’t take this seriously. Bill talks about that, too. The show was supposed to be about Abraham Lincoln’s bicentennial, and this should have been a show of its own.


47 posted on 02/13/2009 7:52:23 AM PST by FatMax
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To: WakeUpAndVote

Go ahead and laugh it up. Just look into it. Heritage.org has written about it, not just us freaks with tinfoil hats.


48 posted on 02/13/2009 7:52:25 AM PST by FatMax
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To: Malsua

So I can say that any other significant power collapse will “cause hundreds of millions of deaths”? The effects described sound pretty much to what happened in New Orleans during the hurricane. It’s hysterical hyperbole. If electricity dependant infrastructure collapses, without the possibility of rebuilding within forseeable time, folks will have to live like they did before everything was electrified.

An EMP is serious business, but this ridiculous hyperbole diminishes the seriousness of this issue.


49 posted on 02/13/2009 7:52:55 AM PST by SolidWood ("NO on the stimulus package" Governor Palin said.)
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To: cweese

Actually, I am posting from the inside of a farraday cage.


50 posted on 02/13/2009 7:53:16 AM PST by patton (SPQA - the last, the least and the lost)
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