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EMP attack would wipe out hundreds of millions of Americans
Unto the Breach ^ | 12 Feb 2009

Posted on 02/13/2009 7:30:24 AM PST by FatMax

Bill Forstchen, Newt Gingrich's co-author of several books is interviewed on Unto the Breach, and discusses Abraham Lincoln's bicentennial. In the middle of the interview, Bill mentions his research on an EMP attack, which terrorists could employ apparently at any time. Such an attack he said could wipe out most of the US overnight.


TOPICS: Government; History; Humor; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: duh; emp; hysterical; iran; terrorism; tm; zot
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To: FatMax

Hundreds of millions, Nancy Pelosi math.......


51 posted on 02/13/2009 7:54:07 AM PST by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: XeniaSt
you will starve to death or not be able to find clean water.

How did we survive before electricity? How do millions of third world people live without nearly comparable infrastructure?

52 posted on 02/13/2009 7:54:42 AM PST by SolidWood ("NO on the stimulus package" Governor Palin said.)
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To: patton

You joke, but I really was yesterday. I barly had enough leakage to get the wireless to work.


53 posted on 02/13/2009 7:55:24 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: Badeye
XS>‘When the infrastructure is destroyed, you will starve to death or not be able to find clean water.’

Maybe YOU would, not me or mine.

But some folks with guns will come and kill you for your food and water.

54 posted on 02/13/2009 7:55:37 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: allmost
Worse than the 500.000,000 jobs that an EMP will eliminate every month, it will also cause the Zombie Apocalypse...


55 posted on 02/13/2009 7:55:42 AM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: XeniaSt

That’s why you should be better armed.


56 posted on 02/13/2009 7:57:42 AM PST by SolidWood ("NO on the stimulus package" Governor Palin said.)
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To: SolidWood
How did we survive before electricity? How do millions of third world people live without nearly comparable infrastructure?

We have been blessed , we never have.

But that will end.


57 posted on 02/13/2009 7:57:53 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: FatMax
Sorry, it's Friday.

EMP blasts, can do damage if set off just right.

In fact I did see an article that we used it in limited form in 1991 and 93 against Iraq.

58 posted on 02/13/2009 7:58:13 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (INGSOC starts 1.20.09)
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To: FatMax

a rabid unicorn invasion is likely going to be a greater and more realistic threat to america than a EMP weapon that isn’t also a nuke.


59 posted on 02/13/2009 7:58:38 AM PST by jz638
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To: Blueflag; All

A few years back Popular Mechanics had an article that was more or less a guide of “how to” create an EMP. Most often it’s thought of in terms of after a nuclear blast, however, an EMP can be generated in other ways, at least per the article. (Why they would publish this is an entirely different matter....)

I’m usually not an optimist, but on the “bright side” of things, it would also take out the electronic database of health records currently being pushed through in porkulus. And, teleprompters for _all_, not just the news anchors!

On a serious note, as others have pointed out, an EMP won’t kill people— at least not outright. It’s the cascading effects that will.


60 posted on 02/13/2009 7:58:57 AM PST by green pastures
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To: SolidWood
I'm well armed.

61 posted on 02/13/2009 7:59:04 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: FatMax

Good thing NONE of my firearms are affected by EMP.


62 posted on 02/13/2009 7:59:15 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: FatMax
What happens in an EMP blast is that some significant percentage of the bomb's energy gets converted to electro-magnetic energy. Unmentioned in alarmist articles is how much energy you would need to affect the whole US.

The wiki on EMP has some more information. The "Starfish Prime" test that affected Hawaii involved a 1.4 MEGATON bomb detonated at 400 km altitude. To knock out all electronics and electrical transmission in the continental US, you would need a HUGE H-bomb (or an array of smaller ones) detonated out in space. Building multi-megaton bombs, plus being able to get them to orbital altitude is a non-trvial undertaking.

63 posted on 02/13/2009 7:59:24 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (We used to institutionalize the insane. Now we elect them.)
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To: SolidWood
The effects described sound pretty much to what happened in New Orleans during the hurricane.

With no help coming. With no police, no radios, no transportation, no anything.

Food will be gone in a few days, clean water soon thereafter. Dysentery, cholera, malnutrition and survival of the fittest will follow on after that.

There is no sustainable way to go back to the 1800s without a massive depopulation of the US.

It's not going to happen the moment the bomb goes off, but the country won't look the same 3 weeks later.

64 posted on 02/13/2009 8:00:05 AM PST by Malsua
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To: SolidWood
How did we survive before electricity? How do millions of third world people live without nearly comparable infrastructure?

The answer to both questions is: When you live on a farm, you don't need much infrastructure.

Up until 150 years ago, pretty much everyone lived on a farm. Much of the world still survives on subsistence-level agriculture. They don't need electricity.

But the 7 million yuppies living in NYC? No power? No water? No restaurants? They'd be hurting.

65 posted on 02/13/2009 8:00:43 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Obama must be the Antichrist. No one else would work so hard to destroy the US.)
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To: FatMax

Imagine the fun things we could do to the perpetrator(s).


66 posted on 02/13/2009 8:01:20 AM PST by PGalt
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To: XeniaSt

‘But some folks with guns will come and kill you for your food and water.’

I view that as a delivery of new guns to my doorstep, sorry. And if they drive, I’ll get a new vehicle or two out of it.


67 posted on 02/13/2009 8:01:41 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Badeye

LOL


68 posted on 02/13/2009 8:02:30 AM PST by SolidWood ("NO on the stimulus package" Governor Palin said.)
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To: CougarGA7

No joke. Back in the seventies, when I converted this building from a garage to a studio, I wrapped the entire thing in space blankets, to reduce heat loss, then put foam insulation and siding over that. Inside the block walls, I installed studs and foil-backed fiberglass. It worked great. The TV heats the entire building, most of the time.

Then they invented the cell phone... ooops.


69 posted on 02/13/2009 8:03:08 AM PST by patton (SPQA - the last, the least and the lost)
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To: Badeye

Just make sure to aim with your Goodeye.


70 posted on 02/13/2009 8:03:50 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: patton

I thought about insulating with space blankets myself. In fact I do have some draped on the outside wall and floor joists to keep my water pipes from freezing.


71 posted on 02/13/2009 8:05:27 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: CougarGA7

If they get past my wife....she’ll burn a clip into ‘center mass’ in a heartbeat....(chuckle)


72 posted on 02/13/2009 8:05:34 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: patton

Lol. Yeah, a cellphone wont work well in that environment. I was doing some high power testing so the faraday cage was copper mesh and it was so my laptop and cellphone wouldn’t go poof.


73 posted on 02/13/2009 8:07:09 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: cripplecreek

Where you live, that is a good idea.


74 posted on 02/13/2009 8:07:39 AM PST by patton (SPQA - the last, the least and the lost)
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To: Badeye

That sounds more dangerous than the EMP. ;)


75 posted on 02/13/2009 8:08:08 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: SolidWood

Thanks for the warm reception, Free Republic.

Without infrastructure - no trucks delivering food, no drinking water, etc., how long before people start dying of disease? How effective will hospitals be? Sure, many of us would survive, but how would we get to eat when the grocery stores are empty? How will the police get to protect people when their cars won’t start, and the fire engines won’t start? Overstated? Who knows? And Iran just launched a satellite, so they now have ICBM capability. Plus, he mentioned that there were alternative means of delivery that would be much more difficult to stop. And Barack Hussein Obama won’t fund “unproven missile defense systems” so who’ll be protecting us?


76 posted on 02/13/2009 8:08:17 AM PST by FatMax
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To: green pastures

“On a serious note, as others have pointed out, an EMP won’t kill people— at least not outright. It’s the cascading effects that will.”

I think that may be the author’s point. But thank you kindly for all of the clever and original Nancy Pelosi-math compliments.


77 posted on 02/13/2009 8:08:18 AM PST by FatMax
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To: CougarGA7

You have no idea.....lol


78 posted on 02/13/2009 8:08:37 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: patton

It’s been bad this winter. I even had trouble with one of my toilet drains freezing.


79 posted on 02/13/2009 8:10:52 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Malsua
There is no sustainable way to go back to the 1800s without a massive depopulation of the US.

Illegal aliens + offspring = ~40 million

Obama voters = ~60 million

Federal Government employees = ~15 million

Government sub-contractors ~10 million

Problem solved.

80 posted on 02/13/2009 8:12:57 AM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: ClearCase_guy

Well put. A recognized “terrorist state” has all the pieces for a worst case tinfoil hat hysterical nutcase scenario; they just have to put it together.


81 posted on 02/13/2009 8:14:37 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: cripplecreek

Wow. I haven’t had a drainpipe freeze since the eighties. (It was an outside pipe on a rental in Norfolk, VA).


82 posted on 02/13/2009 8:14:43 AM PST by patton (SPQA - the last, the least and the lost)
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To: FatMax
Without updated anti ballistic missile technology, we are unprotected. It is no big secret that China and North Korea are helping Iran. This kind of war by proxy can not be comprehended by anyone in this administration.

Why?

Communists are our friends. Why would they want to hurt us? /s

83 posted on 02/13/2009 8:16:00 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (INGSOC starts 1.20.09)
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To: FatMax
EMP attack would wipe out hundreds of millions of Americans

So would total Democrat control of Congress and the White House.

84 posted on 02/13/2009 8:17:35 AM PST by meadsjn (Socialists promote neighbors selling out their neighbors; Free Traitors promote just the opposite.)
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To: FatMax
And Iran just launched a satellite, so they now have ICBM capability. Plus, he mentioned that there were alternative means of delivery that would be much more difficult to stop. And Barack Hussein Obama won’t fund “unproven missile defense systems” so who’ll be protecting us?

The islamic regime in Iran is loony, but they won't provoke such an incident which will end with full retaliation by our subs. They want nuclear capability for deterrance like North Korea. They have increased significantly their regional (and beyond) political influence. They want to cement these gains by having a deterrence, not lose everything by launching WMD attacks on the US mainland. Even without these apocalyptical scenarios (nukes and EMP raining on the world etc.) the situation is serious enough. The islamic regime in Iran could create a stranglehold on the region's energy ressources and threaten Israel's existance.

The nukes and missiles serve as blackmail for the mullahs, so they can press the West for concessions (which the Dems will give them).

The lack of Missile Defense makes the West vulnerable to the mullah's blackmail. To resist this blackmail we need Missile Defense.

85 posted on 02/13/2009 8:18:05 AM PST by SolidWood ("NO on the stimulus package" Governor Palin said.)
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To: meadsjn
EMP attack would wipe out hundreds of millions of Americans

So would total Democrat control of Congress and the White House.
__________

I just looked at my 401k, I am wiped out.

86 posted on 02/13/2009 8:20:43 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (INGSOC starts 1.20.09)
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To: bboop

www.apocalypse2012.com/news/


87 posted on 02/13/2009 8:20:55 AM PST by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: FatMax

EMP cannot be “done at anytime”. This guy is hyping for his book. To get a full sense of EMP you could listen to Coast to Coast or realize that solar flares hit us frequently. Yes it could be a problem. Sure I bet our enemies are working on it. Now everyone run around and act crazy


88 posted on 02/13/2009 8:33:39 AM PST by the long march
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
A car is basically a big Faraday Cage, so is a gas pump, encased in metal.

Not effective at the right frequencies to offer meaningful protection. There have been demonstrations of vehicles disabled by local EMP.

89 posted on 02/13/2009 8:40:27 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

You certainly wouldn’t be guaranteed protection, but from my understanding, various factors, including the proximity to the attack, would determine whether or not the car computer would cease to function.

From what I read, it seemed as though many cars would certainly be affected, but it wouldn’t be all of them.


90 posted on 02/13/2009 8:43:25 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: autumnraine

Welcome to the 21st century. Some of us are cyborgs - and no I’m not being stupid here. I’m alive because I have a pacemaker; zap the computer and I’ll die pronto.

There’s also those relying on robotics & such, fly-by-wire airliners a prime example.


91 posted on 02/13/2009 9:00:30 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: FatMax

“I think that may be the author’s point. But thank you kindly for all of the clever and original Nancy Pelosi-math compliments.”

You must have mistaken me for someone else— I try to avoid Nancy Pelosi math whenever possible.

Come to think of it, I try to avoid Nancy Pelosi _period_ whenever possible.


92 posted on 02/13/2009 9:31:38 AM PST by green pastures
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To: HamiltonJay

Which is why today, (taking a break) I am going through our emergency supplies. 3 50 gallon water tanks and a chest full of antibiactorial babywipes and other things. Cough syrup, fever reducer, etc... Those big plastic containers are good to keep those stored and fit nicely in a closet.

I’ve commented on here before that I am a bit paranoid (thank you Sept 11, I trace it completely back to then. I also trace my conservatism to then too though) But these are good things to have in case of a natural disaster too. However I am not going to rule out a massive hit anymore. Heck, with Hussein in office, I’m not sure I can even trust my own government.

Man, I always thought those people like on Ruby Ridge were “fringe” nutjobs. Maybe they were. Maybe I am. I only know I am uncertain about the future at this point. Especially when something completely insane like running a piece of legislation through in the TRILLIONS is being considered to be passed without even reading it because someone has to get to Europe.

I am in the Twilight Zone. I swear I am trapped in a damn Twilight Zone episode.


93 posted on 02/13/2009 9:35:37 AM PST by autumnraine ($335 Million for STD research, still no cure for cancer. Thanks Obama)
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To: oldvike
That’s an EMP resulting from an nuclear explosion. The author is talking about EMPs from EMP weapons only. Big difference.

Yeah, one is rather impractical and the other is a fantasy.
94 posted on 02/13/2009 10:57:38 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: the long march

So is there nothing to this at all? What concerns me is that Iran is nuking up, promising daily to wipe out us and Israel, and is spinning about 10,000 centrifuges right now. What will stop them?

The Obama administration certainly won’t. He promises to defund missile defense, cut our nuclear arsenal, cut the defense budget 10%, promises not to weaponize space, and now cuts Iranian sanctions that “aren’t working.”

The EMP may not happen tomorrow, but obviously the government isn’t performing their primary function of defending America. Do we want to wait around and make fun of those who are trying to sound the warning?


95 posted on 02/17/2009 3:49:33 AM PST by fugazi
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To: fugazi

Iran dumping a nuke on Israel (or anywhere else) is the larger threat. What is our response? If Obama chooses to do nothing (and that is most likely) then Israel is gone and we are next. An EMP will not even be a concern. IF an EMP could be generated without a nuke then our good “friends” in the former Soviet Union or China would have already exploited same. A large enough EMP is not easy to come by


96 posted on 02/17/2009 8:29:39 AM PST by the long march
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To: CougarGA7

Actually it takes from ~15J to 35 or 40J to stop the heart (possibly less depending upon each person’s physiology). I work on implantable grade defibrillators and that’s the range that we function in. Of course that’s internal to the heart, but generally external defibrillators aren’t all that much more powerful and are started lower than 40J to begin with.

The real problem becomes starting the heart up again if the patient’s heart can’t do that on its own. What we do is pace the heart until it is functioning on its own.

Me, I’m an expert electronics technician and have been in the medical industry working on these for 7 years.


97 posted on 02/17/2009 8:38:35 AM PST by jurroppi1
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To: FatMax

Actually, an EMP attack wouldn’t kill anybody except those on aircraft or computerized life-support.
People would die afterwards of plague and starvation as vital services came to a halt without computer support.


98 posted on 02/17/2009 8:57:18 AM PST by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: jurroppi1

I was being general and I will definately defer to you since you have more direct knowledge. I’m used to working in the Kilo and Mega Joules so typically if you got hooked up on anything I’m working with it will kill you and we may not even find the body.


99 posted on 02/18/2009 8:02:13 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: CougarGA7

yowsa! What are you working on? I’m guessing something like power grid switching...


100 posted on 02/18/2009 9:27:19 AM PST by jurroppi1
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