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Liz Cheney Utterly Destroys Norah O'Donnell on "Torture"
Patriot Room ^ | April 26, 2009 | Bill Dupray

Posted on 04/26/2009 12:42:52 PM PDT by Bill Dupray

Let's just put this out there right now. If Liz Cheney wants to be president, she's got my vote. She is asked by Norah O'Donnell about the "torture" techniques and Cheney astutely denies the premise that it is torture at all. She points out that the very same techniques, including waterboarding, are done to our own military as training for being captured. Therefore, by definition, it cannot be torture. She also points out that the techniques were very effective in gaining vital intelligence, which prevented future attacks.

By the end, O'Donnell is unhinged, foaming at the mouth, and yelling at Cheney.

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1 posted on 04/26/2009 12:42:52 PM PDT by Bill Dupray
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To: Bill Dupray
By the end, O'Donnell is unhinged, foaming at the mouth, and yelling at Cheney.

O'Donnell is unhinged and foaming at the mouth all the time.

2 posted on 04/26/2009 12:45:06 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Bill Dupray

only someone who’s extremely confident in themselves will put themselves in the lion’s den. Impressive performance. She held herself up well


3 posted on 04/26/2009 12:46:05 PM PDT by 4rcane
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I love the way she just calmly steamrollers O’Donnell. But I wouldn’t want to meet her in a dark alley. She really marshals her facts, speaks with clarity, and does not allow herself to be distracted or upset. She is not patronizing or catty, simply clear and direct.


4 posted on 04/26/2009 12:53:21 PM PDT by ottbmare (Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Obama! (If you're old enough, you'll understand the reference))
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To: tsmith130

She can sure make herself look ugly. Liz Cheney is a marvel! She totally kept her cool, knew exactly what to say. If I had been up there, I would have been pulling O’Donnell’s hair out.


5 posted on 04/26/2009 12:55:58 PM PDT by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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To: Bill Dupray

Cheney does a good job. I do wish, however, that she had paused and asked: “Nora, you’re not actually interviewing me, are you? You’re just arguing with me. You’re pushing — pushing hard, I might add — the Obama administration’s opinion on this matter and rather than interview me as a guest on your show, you’re trying to shout me down. Nora, why do you think your viewers try to get heir news from other sources??”


6 posted on 04/26/2009 12:56:31 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: Bill Dupray

1. We know and have been told time and again that “torture doesn’t work”.
2. We know that waterboarding and/or harsh interrogation techniques were extremely effective and “worked”.
3. Therefore, by definition, waterboarding is not a torture.


7 posted on 04/26/2009 12:56:43 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Bill Dupray

Liz is like her father, the media will hate her.

Clear, calm, sticking to her arguments, she all but obliterates the trash thrown at her with appeals to emotions, personal attacks, etc etc etc. I enjoy that in her father. When he talks he just cuts through all the BS and makes a point that is so pointed and sharp that it cuts right into those trying to make things fuzzy and spin nonsense into some argument which isn’t.


8 posted on 04/26/2009 12:57:09 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Bill Dupray

Wow - she was amazing. I’m sure her parents are very proud of her.


9 posted on 04/26/2009 12:57:18 PM PDT by Mercat (Scary middle aged people take to the street!!!)
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To: Bill Dupray

Wow! Slam dunk from another courageous Cheney.


10 posted on 04/26/2009 12:58:38 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Bill Dupray

I didn’t realize Norah went so far over to the dark side. What a shame. She does sound like her questions came directly from the white hut.


11 posted on 04/26/2009 1:05:07 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Bill Dupray

I am so glad to hear somebody point out that Al-Qaeda does not adhere to the Geneva Conventions.


12 posted on 04/26/2009 1:07:02 PM PDT by Tidbit
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To: DallasDeb
If I had been up there, I would have been pulling O’Donnell’s hair out.

Me too! She certainly is her father's daughter. Same cool...same command of the facts...same steely resolve.

13 posted on 04/26/2009 1:07:51 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Red6
Liz is like her father, the media will hate her.

You do mean 'husband', don't you?

14 posted on 04/26/2009 1:07:56 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Red6

Oops....I just noticed it was ‘Liz’ and not ‘Lynne’.


15 posted on 04/26/2009 1:09:04 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Bill Dupray
The BS arguments:

Geneva Convention- The enemy is not fighting under the flag of a nation, abides to no rules of warfare, is non unidentifiable, has no real chain of command, and by NO standard is regarded as a lawful combatant which the Geneva Convention addresses. These people are alive because of two reasons ONLY: (benevolence) of on scene troops who chose not to shoot them and a nation that chose not to bring swift justice onto them, which would have been customary; a nation that saw (intelligence) value in them staying alive. That's it! their lives were over the day we caught them. In our own civil war, WWI, WWII, Korea had either side run across a combatant engaging in the activities they did, out of uniform, fighting under no flag, they would have been immediately hung!

The US Constitution- Since when do rights afforded to American citizens apply to Egypt ions in Afghanistan fighting against us there and held in detainment outside the US?

We lost the moral high ground- No we didn't. Nothing we did is illegal and we waterboard our own troops in training. There was no loss of life, limb, or eyesight. Those that we're fighting don't care about rules of warfare and they do torture, even before we waterboarded anyone. it's a nonsense argument.

Let's put this in perspective. We waterboarded three people and two of them gave us critical information that helped prevent other attacks. Those opposed to this argue that hypothetically we could have gotten this information through other means. So they argue using an “if, maybe or possible,” which of course you can't disprove (Another fallacy).

As usual, once you take out all the feelings and illogical thinking, what are they really left with? Well, one thing they will have for sure, their shared hatred for Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney.

16 posted on 04/26/2009 1:15:40 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Bill Dupray

Why is Liz Cheney speaking on this matter?


17 posted on 04/26/2009 1:21:37 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: DCPatriot; Red6
Dick Cheneys daughter, Liz, has been one busy gal.
18 posted on 04/26/2009 1:21:43 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (o)(o)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Cheney does a good job. I do wish, however, that she had paused and asked: “Nora, you’re not actually interviewing me, are you? You’re just arguing with me. You’re pushing — pushing hard, I might add — the Obama administration’s opinion on this matter and rather than interview me as a guest on your show, you’re trying to shout me down. Nora, why do you think your viewers try to get heir news from other sources??”
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BRAVO!!!!!!!!! I agree, people must start calling them out and putting their feet to the fire.


19 posted on 04/26/2009 1:24:58 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: Bill Dupray
These “debates” are about as serious as the former Sally Jesse Rafael show. It's all fast chatter, emotional outbursts, and just general crap. After the fact, armed with 20/20 hindsight, out of context, very emotional arguments and touchy feely nonsense is spewed by talking heads that in reality know nothing.

Not just because I agree with Liz, but when you cook away all the nonsense, like the “well, we might have, could have, possibly gotten the information out of them in other ways,” all you end up with is a bunch of illogical arguments and rhetoric. The reason why people such as the host of this MSNBC show prevail is because they own the microphone.

20 posted on 04/26/2009 1:25:18 PM PDT by Red6
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To: ClearCase_guy

I thinks Liz handled it just right. It was obvious to anyone watching that O’Donnell was frustrated and angry and that Cheney was in command.

Toward the end of the “interview” O’Donnell slumped back in her chair in resignation. She came to life again when Liz Cheney explained that the CIA had to know “how far they could go” (legally). O’Donnell seized on the phrase “how far we could go” and tried to twist it into being mean spirited. Whereupon Liz calmly explained to the confused child what the purpose of an interrogation is.


21 posted on 04/26/2009 1:33:16 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Bill Dupray
I have to give Norah O'Donnell a little credit.

She at least let Liz Cheney speak in full and coherent sentences without interrupting her every 30 seconds like Sissy Mathews.

22 posted on 04/26/2009 1:36:45 PM PDT by Popman (Only one question remains: Does the sun rise because of Obama or does Obama rise because of the sun)
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To: Bill Dupray

That was a bracing exchange. Nora had an agenda, not a desire to get at the truth. Liz made her look like she hadn’t done her homework.


23 posted on 04/26/2009 1:46:09 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: tsmith130
By the end, O'Donnell is unhinged, foaming at the mouth, and yelling at Cheney.

Has she been to Mexico lately or been OD-ing on Ribs? Just sayin :-)....

24 posted on 04/26/2009 1:48:05 PM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: Lorianne

“Why is Liz Cheney speaking on this matter?”

Because she is a brain not to mention she has a Phd.

But to answer your question, she is a brain about politics.


25 posted on 04/26/2009 1:53:10 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Bill Dupray

Great job! She’s got my vote!


26 posted on 04/26/2009 1:53:26 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Bill Dupray

If Norah is correct, Janet Reno should be tried for Waco because of the blaring loud music, obnoxious sounds, and cutting off their electricity.

I guess that’s torture too?


27 posted on 04/26/2009 1:59:16 PM PDT by boycott
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To: La Lydia
Not only that in her attempt to be almost Tim Russert like in the questioning, she let her emotions get the best of her and let it be known what her political persuasion is.

God Help us, the enemy knows our methods, we gave away the farm! Doesn't anyone on the Bamsters team have any critical thinking skills or play chess as to what consequences these actions will take?

For what?

This is all about getting Cheney. notice, they are not going after the CIA interrogators, but the Lawyers who do not want to loose their law license. IMHO they are fishing for someone to flip to point fingers at Cheney.

They need an internal enemy to purge, just like the Soviet Union, or any other Commie state via show trials. Bamster needs it to to feed his Narcissistic Personality disorder and not knowing who he is by attacking someone who is quite obviously very comfortable in his own skin, i.e. Dick Cheney.

Someone should do a skit where an Obama look-alike is Luke and Cheney is Darth Vader and he speaks those words: "Barrack I am your Father", that would get their panties in a wad....

28 posted on 04/26/2009 2:09:52 PM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer); Lorianne
But to answer your question, she is a brain about politics.

she has the same high intelligence as her parents... i have often said that i would love to witness the conversations between Dick and Lynn... but imagine the converations and discussions with their daughter thrown in... i love being around high-thinking people...

29 posted on 04/26/2009 2:10:38 PM PDT by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Bill Dupray


Great interview. This will definitely get Liz on Kieth Uberfuerer's Worst Person in the World list. ;o)
30 posted on 04/26/2009 2:23:54 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Bill Dupray

Sparkly smart indeed. Good job Liz Cheney!


31 posted on 04/26/2009 2:25:00 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Bill Dupray

Liz Cheney is fabulous - calm, cool under pressure, and splits hairs well.

Put her up against Sheperd Smith pounding his desk saying - NOT IN AMERICA - THIS IS AMERICA AND WE DON’T TORTURE!

No, Shep, we don’t. Waterboarding is not torture.


32 posted on 04/26/2009 2:27:40 PM PDT by SnarlinCubBear (Sarcasma - Comforting relief from the use of irony, mocking and conveying contempt)
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To: Bill Dupray

O’Donnell is unhinged, foaming at the mouth, and yelling at Cheney.

Exactly!!!! Yelling was all she could do besides making that angry face. Liz shone like the gem she is. norah’s was blinded by Liz’s intelligence not to mention her simple, girl next door beauty.


33 posted on 04/26/2009 2:36:28 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh - Truth, honesty and the American Way. Go Rush!!!)
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To: Lorianne

Why not????


34 posted on 04/26/2009 2:37:10 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh - Truth, honesty and the American Way. Go Rush!!!)
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To: mojitojoe

She did to a degree when she told norah that norah was just reading headlines. She was right too...that’s all norah has to go on.


35 posted on 04/26/2009 2:37:54 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh - Truth, honesty and the American Way. Go Rush!!!)
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To: latina4dubya

Correct!!!

I have the utmost admiration for Dick. He is very, very smart. Lynn is very, very smart. And we are talking about 2 very smart folks. And it has nothing to do with her PhD.

Being smart, she kept her thoughts to herself for 8 very long years. (What a waste.) It must have just killed her. But that was her duty...


36 posted on 04/26/2009 2:40:57 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Bill Dupray

One thing you can absolutely count on, Liz Cheney will never be on MSNBC again. They can’t stand to be out witted by someone with brains.


37 posted on 04/26/2009 2:42:45 PM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: boycott
Janet Reno should be tried for Waco because of the blaring loud music, obnoxious sounds, and cutting off their electricity.

Too late to do so, but a great reference to share with many.

38 posted on 04/26/2009 2:55:09 PM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: Bill Dupray

Exhibit I on why Norah O’Donnell should find another job and why MSNBC has become the mouth organ of the 0 administration. Could someone please e-mail this thread to Ms. O’Donnell because these fools don’t have a clue on how they appear?


39 posted on 04/26/2009 2:56:34 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Bill Dupray

O’Donnell appears as an emotional adolescent being corrected by an adult and hating it.


40 posted on 04/26/2009 3:05:59 PM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: Bill Dupray

Dick and Lynne Cheney must be very proud of theior daughter.


41 posted on 04/26/2009 3:07:48 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: taildragger

Ix-nay on the critical thinking skills. I have not seen any evidence of those from any Obamite yet. Mrs. Clinton and Pakistan: a nightmare result of the lack thereof. Interior Secretary Tonto on energy supplies: we’ve got plenty, we don’t need to drill anywhere. Napolitano on the swine flu: no need to monitor arriving flights from Mexico. Geithner on the financial situation...Lord I can’t even write about it.


42 posted on 04/26/2009 3:12:52 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: taildragger

With the election of obama as president those that voted for him sent a message:

The message is : Those who hate the United States and wish to destroy it now have an ally in the White House.

Those who love the United States and wish to defend it from those who want to destroy it now have an enemy in the White House.

They are still looking and wanting to get a charge on President Bush and Vice President Cheney and eventually they will even if they have to manufacture one.

obama and his deciples are dangerous and evil and sooner, rather than later they will come for us.


43 posted on 04/26/2009 3:14:58 PM PDT by sport
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To: Bill Dupray

She’s extremely effective.

Nora thought she had a trap laid.

Didn’t work to well.

The “you’re reading AP headlines Nora” as facts line really damaged Nora.


44 posted on 04/26/2009 3:24:27 PM PDT by wardaddy (You will not destroy our country without a fight replete with horror your naive ass cannot imagine)
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To: Lorianne

I don’t know but I thank God she is don’t you?


45 posted on 04/26/2009 3:26:28 PM PDT by wardaddy (You will not destroy our country without a fight replete with horror your naive ass cannot imagine)
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To: taildragger

she has gained weight...is she pregnant?

how can a Catholic Irish gal be so hardcore left?

maybe she is part Kennedy?


46 posted on 04/26/2009 3:27:54 PM PDT by wardaddy (You will not destroy our country without a fight replete with horror your naive ass cannot imagine)
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To: Bill Dupray

bttt


47 posted on 04/26/2009 3:28:13 PM PDT by petercooper (1/20/13 - Change I can believe in.)
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To: Bill Dupray

Palin\Cheney 2012


48 posted on 04/26/2009 3:28:52 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: Bill Dupray

The Cheney family and the Bush family are classy, beautiful people. Unlike the socialist scum we have in there now.


49 posted on 04/26/2009 3:30:16 PM PDT by taillightchaser (!)
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To: Bill Dupray

I understand that Leaky Leahy wants to go after the producers of “Fear Factor” next.


50 posted on 04/26/2009 3:30:57 PM PDT by Free_SJersey (Liberty can promote equality- manditory equality will kill liberty. CONSTITUTION FIRST!)
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