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Obama To "Manage" The Firearms And Ammunition Business Next?
secondamendmentfreedom.blogspot.com/ ^ | 05/01/09 | Sasparilla

Posted on 05/01/2009 5:51:28 AM PDT by Sasparilla

We keep waiting everyday to see stories that the Obama induced run on buying guns, magazines, and ammunition has stopped, or even slowed down. It hasn't. It doesn't even seem to be on the foreseeable horizon. When is that article coming? Apparently no time soon. I find 3 or 4 stories every day lamenting the lack of merchandise and continuing runs on it.

If you visit your local shooting range you will even probably see that there are a lot fewer target shooters. They are holding on to what they have. Its getting to expensive to shoot like we used to do.

One ammunition supplier representative that we spoke to told us that his company's production line is running 24/7. He said they might catch up in 8 or 9 months. But on the upside, they have been hiring. Give Obama credit for job creation. Its still a good time to buy stock in Olin.

Ammo can be found if you look hard enough. Dunhams, a 12 store sporting goods chain stretching from South Dakota to Pennsylvania, has ammunition. And, you will pay dearly for it. Surplus Ammunition prices are up 500% and more, and a common AK47 clone will now run $600.00 to $700.00.

Let's hope Obama doesn't "reluctantly" decide to manage the gun and ammunition business. He's "reluctantly" running Car manufacturers and banks, but take heart. He said this week that, "You know, I don't want to run auto companies. I don't want to run banks."

But, with Obama pushing ratification of the treaty, "Inter American Convention Against The Illicit Manufacturing...

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1 posted on 05/01/2009 5:51:29 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: Sasparilla

Maybe FUHRER OBAMA SHOULD run the gun and ammo business... after all ... he’s been National SALESMAN of the MONTH for 6 Months running ...

/sarc (did I really need to do this?)


2 posted on 05/01/2009 5:56:38 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's 1984 - To Conservatives, a WARNING - to Liberals, a TEXTBOOK!)
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To: Sasparilla

youbetcha


3 posted on 05/01/2009 5:57:00 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Sasparilla

I went to the store yesterday. Couldn’t find a box of 9mm ammo. They were sold out and had no idea when they were getting more. When I looked surprised, the sales clerk looked at me like, “where the heck have you been, in a coma?”


4 posted on 05/01/2009 5:57:45 AM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: Sir Clancelot

You see how, step by step , they create all the right conditions for the DHS statement to “come true”???
It’s called a self-fulfilling prophecy.
All they need to do is act on the “gotta grab guns up here
just to help Mexico, if for no other reason”, as it looked like they were planning a few weeks ago, and they’ve effectively spurred all of what they want to characterize as right wing crazies into action. It’s a win-win for them.
But they’re gonna lose-lose-—they’re just not that bright and their timing will inevitably be off.


5 posted on 05/01/2009 6:07:08 AM PDT by supremedoctrine (The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity---Yeats)
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To: Sir Clancelot
I went to the store yesterday. Couldn’t find a box of 9mm ammo. They were sold out and had no idea when they were getting more. When I looked surprised, the sales clerk looked at me like, “where the heck have you been, in a coma?”

Similar experience at my local big box sporting goods store:

A guy walked up and asked the the gun department manager if they had any .380 ACP ... the manager just started laughing and gestured to the 30' long pistol ammo display behind him ... it was completely empty.

6 posted on 05/01/2009 6:10:12 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Clinton was our first black President ... Obama is our first French President.)
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To: Sasparilla

I have posted a couple times that Obama cannot control this through conventional means and he is going to stage something to create a crisis that requires extensive control. Count on it. Bank on it. If all of us are right wing terrorists, then there will be nothing that this bunch wont stoop to, and with the balance of power in the congress, there is no assurance that there would be any investigation.


7 posted on 05/01/2009 6:11:49 AM PDT by Concho (01-20-2009--The beginning of an ERROR)
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To: Sasparilla
If you visit your local shooting range you will even probably see that there are a lot fewer target shooters.

On the contrary, the ranges are packed with people who are sighting-in new rifles and handguns. The last two times I went to the range, I had to wait for a slot to open up on the firing line. Previously, I've only seen that on the weekend before the beginning of deer season.

I see this as more of the same: sighting-in before "hunting season".

8 posted on 05/01/2009 6:13:44 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Charles Martel
I went to the store yesterday. Couldn’t find a box of 9mm ammo. They were sold out and had no idea when they were getting more. When I looked surprised, the sales clerk looked at me like, “where the heck have you been, in a coma?”

I have purchased ammo online. Impact Guns and Ammo is one place I have purchased.
9 posted on 05/01/2009 6:25:32 AM PDT by Free America52 (I just want it to be the way it always has been.)
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To: Sasparilla
Don't look for the supply of ammo to increase any time soon as the current makers are already running 24/7. As an 07 FFL I researched getting into it, and decided against it for several reasons. First, the capital costs to start up production are insanely high (six figures for the machines alone). Second, you need the space to put them (more $$$). Third, liability nsurance is a nightmare, and while bad enough on custom firearms, my agent said they absolutely would not write a policy for ammo. Finally, even with all that in place, the components suppliers can't keep up with their contracts for the current makers, so those machines will sit idle while you scrounge up sources for primers, powder, bullets, and brass.

So, a new company coming into the biz needs at least a million bucks for startup costs, needs to wait a few months for the ATF to process the license (Type 06, 07, and 10 FFL's don't just grow on trees), find an insurer, find suppliers who have product available, hire people, and start production. By the time all that happens the buying craze will either be over, or BHO/Dems will have succeeded in outlawing everything anyway and driven the demand down to the point where your cost of production exceeds the price you can charge for ammo.

10 posted on 05/01/2009 6:34:51 AM PDT by gieriscm (07 FFL / 02 SOT - www.extremefirepower.com)
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To: Sasparilla

Over at CheaperThanDirt.com, .45 ammo by Sellior & Bellot is selling for $41.79, which is about triple what it was 12 months ago. I generally would use 2 boxes per session at the range. Not any more.


11 posted on 05/01/2009 6:35:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: Sir Clancelot
I actually had the good fortune to score a 100 rounds of Remington white box 9mm FMJ yesterday. They had exactly three boxes of 9mm available and didn't want to sell them all to one customer, with the entirely reasonable rationale of "we can't sell guns if we don't have any ammo to sell with it".

I was happy to leave with my one box, leaving the other two to other potential new gun owners.

Guys, we're part of the problem here: if you happen to be in the right place at the right time, don't go and buy a whole case and wipe out your store single-handedly.

Look on the bright side here: it's FMJ range ammo that's impossible to get. Hollow point defensive rounds still seem readily available. We'll know it's really SHF time when we can't get defensive ammo.

12 posted on 05/01/2009 6:43:47 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: Sasparilla

For years now, I’ve been pondering a technology whose time may have finally come—a “bullet-less” training gun.

Picture this. A handgun that when fired closely simulates the look, sound and feel of a real handgun, using compressed gas, and a laser.

The US Army had a system like this using blanks for years, called MILES. But instead of blanks, why not use compressed gas?

A special, laser sensitive target would be used on a range to simulate bullet holes when the trigger is pulled.

The big advantage is, of course, saving a ton of money. Thus you could practice a lot more. And you wouldn’t have to clean your gun after going to the range.


13 posted on 05/01/2009 6:52:20 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: gieriscm
The current bottleneck for ammo is currently the primers. You cannot get primers at the moment. Dillon Precision is completely out of primers (although they still have some GREAT calendars in stock, which I recommend).

From another thread, primers are made by the ammo manufacturers, and they are using all they make for their own ammo, so there's none left over for sale. Primers will be in short supply long after the ammo shortage eases up, due to pent-up demand from reloaders.

Once things ease up (if they ease up), reloaders will (and should) buy and stockpile primers. You can cast your own bullets from scrap lead. You can re-use brass. If it comes down to it, you can make your own gunpowder. But if you don't have primers, you're out of luck.

14 posted on 05/01/2009 6:53:46 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
For years now, I’ve been pondering a technology whose time may have finally come—a “bullet-less” training gun.

You can get a CO2 air gun 1911 which shoots .177 pellets, so you can practice cheaply in your basement.

15 posted on 05/01/2009 6:59:21 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: Sasparilla

The range I frequent in Texas is packed on Saturdays.


16 posted on 05/01/2009 8:40:14 AM PDT by texmexis best (uency)
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To: PapaBear3625

Pellets are one thing, but I’m looking for “look-feel-sound”, so if say, you are firing a .38, it simulates that in every way except a bullet coming out and a casing ejection in an automatic.


17 posted on 05/01/2009 8:43:39 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Sasparilla

I went along with my wife to the local WalMart a couple of hours ago. While she grocery shopped, I made my regular stop at the sporting goods counter. I almost fainted when the clerk said he had some 38 Special in stock.

I bought the two box limit, at $14.50 per box, and was thankful for small miracles. On the down-side, it has been months since they had any .380, but I’ll keep checking and hoping.


18 posted on 05/01/2009 9:17:25 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: PapaBear3625
See my rant here.
19 posted on 05/01/2009 9:24:48 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: deoetdoctrinae
I bought the two box limit, at $14.50 per box...

You then ask them to page your wife, so she can buy her two boxes.

20 posted on 05/01/2009 9:26:49 AM PDT by gundog
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To: gundog

LOL.. Visualize me banging my head against the wall right now, wondering why I didn’t think of that! If she gets out of the house again today, I’ll ask her to get a couple more boxes (assuming any will be left).


21 posted on 05/01/2009 9:53:39 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Pellets are one thing, but I’m looking for “look-feel-sound”, so if say, you are firing a .38, it simulates that in every way except a bullet coming out and a casing ejection in an automatic.

Recoil is very difficult to simulate. At best you can make the action cycle with air. I've "shot" an M240 machine gun set up to do that, wearing computer display goggles as part of an immersive simulation.

The goggles/glasses have improved since then, but they made it impossible to correctly use the sights. Fortunately you could use the simulate tracers and bullet strikes to adjust fire.

22 posted on 05/01/2009 9:57:44 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: tx_eggman

There isn’t going to be any .380 for a long time.


23 posted on 05/01/2009 4:04:05 PM PDT by omega4179 (Boycott government communist tractor factories!)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

I’m sure that’s two boxes per transaction, or at worst two boxes per day, so go back and see if you can get some more. Plus, don’t forget to have your wife buy two boxes every time you do.


24 posted on 05/01/2009 5:45:58 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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