Posted on 05/01/2009 4:01:03 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
THE PRESIDENT: ...I actually think that the tougher issue around medical care — it’s a related one — is what you do around things like end-of-life care —
Yes, where it’s $20,000 for an extra week of life.
THE PRESIDENT: Exactly. And I just recently went through this. I mean, I’ve told this story, maybe not publicly, but when my grandmother got very ill during the campaign, she got cancer; it was determined to be terminal. And about two or three weeks after her diagnosis she fell, broke her hip. It was determined that she might have had a mild stroke, which is what had precipitated the fall.
So now she’s in the hospital, and the doctor says, Look, you’ve got about — maybe you have three months, maybe you have six months, maybe you have nine months to live. Because of the weakness of your heart, if you have an operation on your hip there are certain risks that — you know, your heart can’t take it. On the other hand, if you just sit there with your hip like this, you’re just going to waste away and your quality of life will be terrible.
And she elected to get the hip replacement and was fine for about two weeks after the hip replacement, and then suddenly just — you know, things fell apart.
I don’t know how much that hip replacement cost. I would have paid out of pocket for that hip replacement just because she’s my grandmother.
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Soros is big on the euthanasia idea, his orgs have been pushing the idea for years. He thinks we should provide purely pallative care and no treatment if the illness is terminal.
Suck it up!
Just gave it the correct terminology.
I guess test and slaughter won’t be far behind when there is a severe disease outbreak.
Typical Marxist mentality. Money is more important than the life of a person. With Marxist DemocRATS, it’s always about the money. Always. Money is everything. It’s their god.
“I don’t know how much that hip replacement cost. I would have paid out of pocket for that hip replacement just because she’s my grandmother.”
Well isn’t that special. The rulers such as zero will, of course, retain that option. After all, they’re all millionaires from gaming the socialist system that they’ve set up (in this case in Chicago).
We, on the other hand, won’t have that option. And once they start making these rationing decisions, how long do you think it will be until “potential contribution to society” (i.e., being a good socialist subject) and/or connections (i.e., being a good socialist lapdog or thug) will become a deciding factor?
Besides the obvious anti-life overtones of this, there is the fact that doctors are often wrong or they impose self-fulfilling prophecies upon the patient (e.g. the Terricide of a patient who shows no meaningful response because she’s sensually deprived, the doctor already having deemed that no meaningful response is possible).
So why didn’t he donate a few bucks to his brother in Kenya.
I have wondered about the convenience of his grandmother's death.
When Soros speaks, Comrade Obama listens.
Tell Soros he’s free to wish that upon himself, but leave the rest of us the hell alone.
I wonder how the AARP crowd feels. AARP will lose members earlier too by the way.
The membership will be split, but the leaders will undoubtedly go lefty.
Why can’t that asshat just answer a question?
That’s a rhetorical question.
Yes, but Geithner tells us that we should be focused more on what we DO rather than what we EARN.
>Money is more important than the life of a person.
Unless the person id a felon or illegal alien... [/cynic]
I’m 55. If I get cancer at this point, I die. And I have insurance.
But then, I know I will be going to be with the Lord. If I thought this life was “it”, well, I’d have a different perspective.
Euthenasia is where you actually kill a person. Denying costly treatment is different. It brings up interesting moral dilemmas, but, to give an interesting hypothetical, would you spend $400,000 for surgery on a person that is diagnosed to die anyway within the week? How about a month or a year? Where is the line drawn?
Fact is, a culture cannot survive if half of it’s citizens receive healthcare in their final year(s) that costs two to ten times more than they earned their entire life. It is simply not sustainable.
So what DO you do?
And I am only asking, because I don’t have a detailed answer myself.
So, Obama has no problem the public financing of abortion but would limited financing for the elderly...or, hospices?
Notice though, that he didn't. He was perfectly content with letting us pay for it.
Pissant don’t even have natioalized health care yet and he’s talking about offing people,,,gov’t decree naturely, familt Drs and family members,,,shut up and suck
Maybe they can start with him!
I certainly would not discourage Soros from trying out his euthanasia program on himself. He is getting on, you know.
What kept you from paying for it, bambi? Did you pass some law that prohibited you from doing so? You had the money to pay for it, but let others pick up the tab?
Ok by me.
It is like this:
Health care will become a ‘scarce resource”.
The elderly will be forced to feel guilty using it.
The elderly may not be able to afford it.
In our narcissistic and selfish, greedy, society, those surrounding the elderly will NOT care.
“THE PRESIDENT: ...you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. It’s not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance. And that’s part of what I suspect you’ll see emerging out of the various health care conversations that are taking place on the Hill right now.”
“In other words, faceless bureaucrats in Washington — not your family — will decide whether your grandparents live or die.”
The last person I want making that life or death decision is an Obamacrat.
YOU NAILED IT, The left says that all “Right wingers” care about is money. When in fact to Hussein and his ilk the ONLY things that matters is the bottom line.
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Wow, this is an excellent blogpost!
Isn’t Soros about 80? I doubt if he plans this for himself.
He’s full of crap, he won’t even pay for his brother or illegal alien aunt.
I hate to inform you obama but the person that makes the decisions for my family won’t be you or anyone else. It will be ME and MY FAMILY after we have asked one other person who makes the ultimate decisions over you and everyone else and that my friend is MY GOD and MY GOD ONLY. Not you or anyone else.
Obama: Euthanasia of the elderly may be necessary
Yes in any society run by a Socialist, which is what Obama is, they are big on the idea of killing off the elderly.
Excuse me, let me clarify that. Big on killing off or letting to die, CERTAIN of the elderly.
Rest assured that none of the elderly left todie would be from Obamas family or Clinton or Kennedy’s or Pelosi’sor Schumer’s etc.
We know folks get annoyed and frustrated in dealing with health insurance companies, but it's a far sight better than dealing with having to do ALL of your health care through the State. We were discussing the fact many Grandmas and Grandpas are pushing for government run health care, because theirs is expensive, or they've had problems with their health insurance provider. At some point, we need to sit them down and explain that if the government takes control of health care, and it's paid for with tax dollars, THEY won't have any say at all about their level of care. That decision will be made by the bureaucrats who are looking at the bottom line, and determining that Grandma doesn't really need that hip replacement, because, after all, she's already 85, and doesn't have long to live anyway. Or Grandpa shouldn't get treatment for his prostate cancer because it's expensive, and with his bum ticker, he's likely to die in the next couple of years anyway.
It's insidious, and folks need to be made aware of what the outcome for them and their loved ones will be under government run health care.
I understand why people feel this way, but it seems to me a lot of people don’t want to face the fact that there is a real paradox that can’t be avoided: many take a strong at pro-life position which in effect requires providing unlimited care at unlimited cost irrespective of its effectiveness at prolonging life, but they also want low taxes and a small government footprint, while it’s the government via Medicare Medicare that ends up providing and would continue to have to provide such care for the vast majority of the elderly who could not afford private health insurance providing such coverage.
This is really unpleasant dilemma, we end up spending a disproportionately large percentage of health care dollars providing what are often essentially futile treatments for those with an extremely poor prognosis and then complain moan about the cost and the fact the government provides the care, but we don’t want to talk about the alternatives, either.
For the same reason he didn't make sure his aunt got citizenship and moved her out of federal housing. I still have questions about him rushing to her deathbed without Michelle and the girls. Days later she's dead. A few weeks later and he takes Michell and the girls on vacation where granny died. Amazing how the media never got a word out of her or anyone who might have had any contact with her.
Mark.
They've already started mining the 50+ crowd. I got my first letter from them when I turned 51. I've continued to get them, and they all go into the recycling bin, unopened.
They'll just start mailing to thirty year olds. I statted getting them when I was 50. It seems like I have been getting them forever. I have explained their despicable politics to them many times..
Soros is not far from eternity, I wonder what motivates him.
ZERO would NEVER have Paid a Penny out of his pocket! That is an outright LIE! He was there in August and didn’t even take his kids the lousy mile or two to visit her even knowing she would never see her grandchildren again! IF she ever did in the first place? It appears Zero didn’t appreciate his White Grandmother who raised him very much:-(
I cannot believe that this mass murderer in a $3000 silk suit is our President.
I cannot believe that that the media has been so totally corrupted and infiltrated by the enemy, that no one confronts this monster.
I cannot believe taht the American people have been so totally brainwashed by the aforementioned corrupted media, that they are freely accepting this and so many other fascist/soviet totalitarian usurptions of all their precious freedoms, civil liberties, and human rights.
If someone is clearly dying, and there's no turning that around, putting them through costly surgery and procedures, other than palliative care, is a waste of their time with their loved ones, and of their loved ones' money, since it is they who will be footing the bill. Some friends' father had stomach cancer, was determined to be within a couple of weeks of death, but still the doctor did two operations on him in the last week. I'm certain that the trauma to the man's body hasten his otherwise pending death. I don't know the specifics of those decisions, but they could have been driven by the family's desires, instead of what the doctor might have thought.
A lot of those decisions hinge on the wishes of the families. Some folks get very emotional, as is expected. They want to hang on to their loved one as long as possible, but they don't really give any thought as to what is truly best for that dying person. Maybe, in the late stages of cancer, or severe heart failure, it would be preferable to have strong pain relief, and be able to spend that precious time with loved ones, instead of being stuck in the hospital with tubes running out of every orifice.
But those decisions ultimately should be made by patients and families, NOT a government bureaucracy.
This is exactly what is happening to my almost 90 year old grandfather in Germany (who is in better health, otherwise, than many 30 years younger.)
Obama is not only killing live babies, now he's going to kill the elderly,
How's your Grandmother or Grandfather feeling lately?
Do you even care?
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