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California Breakup?
BREAKING VIEWS ^ | 21 MAY 2009 | MARTIN HUTCHINSON

Posted on 05/23/2009 1:08:48 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: california; statehood; stateofjefferson; statesrights
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To: Clintonfatigued

Thanks for the headsup.


51 posted on 05/23/2009 6:05:21 PM PDT by Liz (Everything Obama says comes with an expiration date.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
And they’re easy to find, provided you have a search engine.

One thing I hate about the Internet: Too many people give a sarcastic answer when asked a simple question.

52 posted on 05/23/2009 6:19:06 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: hometoroost

California should be cut in half—North California and South California. Divide the state at Santa Maria. In truth the two states are not alike. South CA is more laid back—the north is too stuck up. Hey, we in South CA do not mind if you call Los Angeles LA. But just try to call San Francisco—Frisco up north. Let Arnold rule in the north. We can elect anyone who would be better to be governor of South California. How about Ben Stein? he knows his numbers and he knows the film business.


53 posted on 05/23/2009 6:49:07 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
This idea raised its head the last time California went into a severe recession and exerienced constraints on its public spending.

But there is also a values component to it, with residents of conservative areas sick of having SanFran values shoved down its throat.

54 posted on 05/23/2009 11:01:46 PM PDT by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: svcw
I was born and raised in CA. My whole life there has been talk of dividing the state. Used to be three parts now it four. I don’t care as long as SF, Oakland and Marin counties are their own state, they deserve each other,

I'm with you, as long as the state I end up in doesn't contain those cities or Sacramento(it is going pretty leftward lately)I will be fine.

55 posted on 05/23/2009 11:06:20 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
California should be cut in half—North California and South California. Divide the state at Santa Maria. In truth the two states are not alike. South CA is more laid back—the north is too stuck up.

Hey, we in South CA do not mind if you call Los Angeles LA. But just try to call San Francisco—Frisco up north.

Let Arnold rule in the north. We can elect anyone who would be better to be governor of South California. How about Ben Stein? he knows his numbers and he knows the film business.

You have plainly never been in Northern CA if you think SF is part of it. The North doesn't claim most of the coast, what we call northern California is on the eastern slope of the Sierras, and doesn't include Sac.

You want someone to have Arnold, you guys can have him, the south has the biggest voting block and the most liberals, not to mention a sh** load of illegals, and you steal our frickin' water too. The only place that has more liberals than the LA area is the left coast, SF, Marin County, Oakland. Sac is loaded with them also. You have a very strange attitude about the south considering the only conservative county you have is Orange Co.

The only county on the Coast that is conservative is Del Norte and it is so far north it is almost part of Oregon!

56 posted on 05/23/2009 11:12:12 PM PDT by calex59
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To: svcw; rabscuttle385; Impy; AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued

I think it would be more like 6D-2R or 5D-3R. Clearly the SF Bay-based state would be 2D, but L.A.-based would be 2D as well (probably 2 La Raza Moonbats), San Diego-based would be marginal (probably one of each, a liberal rodent and probably a RINO), and Inland Empire/Central Valley would probably have 2 Republicans, but from the flood of liberals leaving L.A. and the SF Bay area, within 20 years, perhaps less, it could be outnumbered, and hence all 8 could be Democrats.


57 posted on 05/24/2009 7:46:05 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

If we split the state in two rather than four, ie, create Northern California and Southern California, would the Senate breakdown be 2D-2R?


58 posted on 05/24/2009 11:27:02 AM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide

Nope. It’d be 4D. Instead, you’d have the 2Ds unchanged from SF for the North and 2 liberal rodent Los Angelenos for Southern CA.


59 posted on 05/24/2009 11:31:35 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: calex59
When California was admitted to the Union, they should have made the southern boundary 36 degrees 30 minutes (or perhaps a line further south). I'm not sure why they didn't--maybe to avoid giving a chance for the pro-slavery people to try to claim the southern area for slavery, or because they thought the southern area would never have enough people to be a viable state.

I remember a proposal to make California into 3 states (about 20 years ago) which never made it to the ballot.

If California was divided into 4 states, that would mean a 53-star flag. I don't know if it would be easy to design a flag with 53 stars in a pattern that would look nice. Maybe divide NYC (along with Westchester Co. and Long Island) from the rest of New York State and make it a 54-star flag.

60 posted on 05/25/2009 12:03:10 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Impy

I posted a few months ago with info about CA split into 5 states. The SF Bay and LA County states would be ridiculously Democrat, but the three “normal” states (one in San Diego, Orange and Imperial Counties, the second in the Inland Empire, Kern and Ventura Counties, and the third in the Central Valley, Sacramento County and the areas to the north) would have voted fairly comfortably for Bush in 2000 and 2004 but would have voted for Obama in 2008. Impy, you may be able to find the post easier than I could.


61 posted on 05/25/2009 7:52:02 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Impy

Hey, I found my post about splitting CA into five states fairly easily:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2195201/posts?page=59#59


62 posted on 05/25/2009 8:13:18 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: svcw; omega4179

It may be easier to split CA into 5 states and get 3 GOP states out of it: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2195201/posts?page=59#59


63 posted on 05/25/2009 8:18:03 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: hometoroost
8 Senators from California? No thanks.

Pretty good chance four of them would be Republicans. Which is why the Democrats would never support any breakup plan.

64 posted on 05/25/2009 8:19:20 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("If you cannot pick it up and run with it, you don't really own it." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: svcw; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Extremely Extreme Extremist; Mr. Jeeves; BillyBoy; ...

It’s really a great idea to break up California any way you look at it.

It has more people than Canada or Iraq (it would be the 35th largest country), it’s too big and ungovernable. And the leftist stronghold areas hold millions of normal people hostage.

I like the 5 state plan.

If you were gonna split it in 2, separating the coast (maybe expect for the OC and San Diego) from the interior as Bill Maze suggests would be the best for Republicans politically. In a north-south division the southern state with LA would lean rat but not as much as the entire state does now.

California may be headed for third world status in the not too distant future unfortunately.

That could bring breaking it up into serious consideration. Democrats are likely to strongly oppose.


65 posted on 05/26/2009 6:03:32 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: calcowgirl
"Others on FR have proposed similar break-up alternatives in past years."

Yup, I'm one of those that proposed a division of the state, but almost entirely along political divides that would assure a gain of conservative US senators.

Anyone that has studied state election results knows the proposal in this article would most likely produce four additional liberal senators with possibly a gain of two conservative senators.

Not to worry though. This proposal hasn't even the slightest chance of happening. It would require the voters in the southern parts to give up water from the northern parts. Would never happen. That is a key reason I proposed a political divide. That could happen.

66 posted on 05/26/2009 7:17:09 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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