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Episcopal Priest: God Rejoices in Abortion
Creative Minority Report ^ | 6-24-09 | Matt

Posted on 06/24/2009 7:01:39 AM PDT by marcbold

Episcopalian Priest, the Rev. Nina Churchman wrote a letter to Episcopal Life Online saying that women shouldn't have to ask for forgiveness for aborting a child. In fact, Rev. Churchman then goes one step further and says God rejoices in the woman's choice to abort. Here's the text in full:

After reading the 3 June article, "Pregnancy-loss Prayers", I found the text for Rachel's Tears online and was sickened to discover that the rite for abortion is couched wholly in terms of sin and transgression. The Episcopal Church, by resolution, has long held that women have the freedom to choose an abortion. It is not considered a sin. That this new rite begins with the words, "I seek God's forgiveness..." and includes "God rejoices that you have come seeking God's merciful forgiveness..." is contrary to the resolution. Women should be able to mourn the loss of an aborted fetus without having to confess anything. God, unlike what the liturgy states, also rejoices that women facing unplanned pregnancies have the freedom to carefully choose the best option - birth, adoption or abortion - for themselves and their families...

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TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: abortion; episcopal; religion

1 posted on 06/24/2009 7:01:39 AM PDT by marcbold
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To: marcbold

And the “mainstream” churches wonder why membership is dropping...

hh


2 posted on 06/24/2009 7:03:21 AM PDT by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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To: marcbold
The Episcopal Church went insane about 15 years ago. I left then after a sermon on how people with AIDs are saints and people with guns are evil. I knew more about the Bible than the minister (who seems to only care of PC trends in society).

There is not much of The Episcopal Church left. They have been losing members for at least a generation. And the members that are left have few to no children (hey, abortion works!)

3 posted on 06/24/2009 7:04:47 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: hoosier hick

The man has lost his way.


4 posted on 06/24/2009 7:05:04 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: marcbold

The only good thing I can say about this group is they have real nice buildings.


5 posted on 06/24/2009 7:06:21 AM PDT by Colvin (Harry Reid is a sap sucking idiot.)
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To: marcbold

Someone isn’t reading/understanding the Holy Scripture.


6 posted on 06/24/2009 7:06:49 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: marcbold
The Didache ( also referred to as The Teachings of the Twelve Apostles ), the oldest extant manual of church order, dating from the late first or early second century states: "You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish."

Nina Churchman is obviously delusional. She is definitely not a 'reverent' person and does not deserve the title 'Reverend' at all. May God have mercy on her soul.
7 posted on 06/24/2009 7:07:45 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann in 2012. With Liz Cheney as Secretary of State.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Nina is a woman.


8 posted on 06/24/2009 7:08:19 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: hoosier hick

And the example of Sodom showed that God also rejoices in gay lifestyles. < / sarcasm >


9 posted on 06/24/2009 7:08:58 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Nina? I think she’s a woman.


10 posted on 06/24/2009 7:09:10 AM PDT by Mercat ("Offered the worldÂ’s biggest carrot, Khamenei took it and used it as a stick")
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To: skr

Further confusion.


11 posted on 06/24/2009 7:09:14 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: skr
Nina is a woman.

How can you be so sure?

12 posted on 06/24/2009 7:10:03 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: marcbold

Separated from Apostolic Succession and the Holy Spirit’s protection of doctrinal teaching through the deliberate liturgies of Wolsey, the EC has drifted towards oblivion. This is simply another example of its fate. That these statements were made by an invalidly ordained priest - since women are not the proper substance for sacramental ordination - is certainly no surprise.


13 posted on 06/24/2009 7:11:46 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“The man has lost his way.”

I think this clergyman is a woman.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7898567@N06/2233589806

She has lost her way. May God grant her a spirit of repentance.


14 posted on 06/24/2009 7:11:59 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: marcbold

I gasp at this pronouncement. I am flummoxed.


15 posted on 06/24/2009 7:12:38 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: marcbold

I haven’t heard of ‘Rachel’s Tears’ but I can imagine that it is a cyber gathering place for women who cannot reconcile with themselves that they’ve had abortions.
The feeling stays with you forever-—every girl I have ever known who’s had one can’t quite ever get over it.
Not so oddly, it sometimes spurs them on to have MORE children , once they get to a point of maturity where abortion is ‘not an option’, after they’ve given birth at least once.
HOWEVER, one can make just as strong a pro-life case WITHOUT bringing sin or transgression or any religious considerations into the argument.So I would invite the Episcopals to deal with the controversy WITHOUT resorting to the ‘my religion said/your religion said’ dichotomy.


16 posted on 06/24/2009 7:12:45 AM PDT by supremedoctrine ( YOUR AD IN THIS SPACE)
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To: marcbold

BARF ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!


17 posted on 06/24/2009 7:14:39 AM PDT by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: Dudoight
I gasp at this pronouncement. I am flummoxed.

I as well. Just when I think I've heard it all...

18 posted on 06/24/2009 7:14:56 AM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: marcbold

Special hell awaits those who cloak themselves in the robes of the ministry and work to destroy it. But this guy has company, people like Barry Lynn at Americans United for Seperation of Church and State is another Judas who gets his pieces of silver from an adoriing press and anti Christian lunatics.


19 posted on 06/24/2009 7:18:17 AM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: supremedoctrine
I haven’t heard of ‘Rachel’s Tears’ but I can imagine that it is a cyber gathering place for women who cannot reconcile with themselves that they’ve had abortions.

Wow, you are WAY off...

Rachel's Tears was a book about Rachel Scott, the girl at Columbine who was shot point-blank b/c she would not denounce her Christian faith.

In the context of this article, the Episcopal "priest" said she was disturbed that abortion was considered sinful in the book, Rachel's Tears.

Next time, try Google or Wiki before jumping to conclusions.

20 posted on 06/24/2009 7:18:36 AM PDT by Zeppelin
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To: marcbold

Humanism,Moral Relativism, and Liberation Theology have destroyed the Episcopalian church.


21 posted on 06/24/2009 7:20:56 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: marcbold

The insanity is spreading. Now the left has control of some of the Christian churches.


22 posted on 06/24/2009 7:25:08 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism is a serious mental disturbance)
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To: Zeppelin

Next time read someone’s post in its entirety for its own intrinsic value before jumping to your own conclusions.
I’m sure there are websites for just such a thing as I thought Rachel’s Tears was. THere’s nothing I said that undermines anything anyone else says or feels about abortion, except the idiot and beside-the-point Episcopalians.


23 posted on 06/24/2009 7:27:52 AM PDT by supremedoctrine ( YOUR AD IN THIS SPACE)
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To: marcbold

So God ‘rejoices’ when a woman chooses to abort and deny life to His creation. Now I’ve heard everything!


24 posted on 06/24/2009 7:29:15 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: marcbold

I don’t want to say the thoughts I have right now... I will not be reduced to this woman’s level. One day she will have to answer to God for why she led His people astray. I only feel bad for the people that are being brainwashed by this propaganda.


25 posted on 06/24/2009 7:31:26 AM PDT by Mind Freed ("Every man has the right to be a fool 5 minutes a day. Wisdom is not exceeding the limit.")
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To: marcbold

Ping for later


26 posted on 06/24/2009 7:31:43 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Theology is the Queen Of The Sciences)
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To: marcbold

“There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.” (Proverbs 6:16-19)

Doesn’t get much more innocent than a baby.


27 posted on 06/24/2009 7:32:56 AM PDT by mkcc30 ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: Colvin
"..they have real nice buildings."

"The Church" is a spiritual organism composed of scattered individuals in whom the Holy Spirit resides. As as such, it is invisible. The Church isn't a physical "building".

28 posted on 06/24/2009 7:36:59 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obama has entered the "cracking stage" of his presidency. ~ Gagdad)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

I believe that’s by design.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1595013/posts

Communist Goals (1963)

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”


29 posted on 06/24/2009 7:39:06 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: marcbold
Episcopalian Priest, the Rev. Nina Churchman wrote a letter to Episcopal Life Online saying that women shouldn't have to ask for forgiveness for aborting a child. In fact, Rev. Churchman then goes one step further and says God rejoices in the woman's choice to abort.

She and her ilk are modern day worshipers of Molech.

Offering their children to be burned in the Pagan worshipping fire.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
30 posted on 06/24/2009 7:39:24 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: TheGeezer
Well, whatever. That's the Episcopals for ya'. (I bet you'd be aghast to find out what the Holy Rollers do!)

OK, back to the main stem of the thread ~ the crazy lady who may be a man but none of us really know ~ and I wouldn't be surprised at all.

31 posted on 06/24/2009 7:42:16 AM PDT by muawiyah (iT)
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To: supremedoctrine

Next time dont jump to the conclusion that I DIDNT read your entire post.

I only addressed one point you made, and I quoted it appropriately.

I did intend to point out that I agree with the points you made in your post. I was merely addressing your incorrect assumption.


32 posted on 06/24/2009 7:43:24 AM PDT by Zeppelin
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To: marcbold
the rite for abortion

Abortion is a RITE?!?!?

Not a "right", but a "rite", as in a ritual, a religious process that is special and sacred? A formal, solemn ceremony? What on Earth is going on in Western Civilization?

33 posted on 06/24/2009 7:47:34 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: All
In a related story:

CARDINAL SAYS CATHOLICS HUMBLED BY ANGLICANS' DECISION TO REJOIN CHURCH
34 posted on 06/24/2009 7:49:56 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: pgkdan

There are people who will believe anything...gullible doesn’t even start to explain it.


35 posted on 06/24/2009 8:04:59 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: arielguard; Martin Tell

Lord, have mercy.
Lord, have mercy.
Lord, have mercy.

Y’know, the bible says that when St. Stephen was being martyred, he looked to heaven and saw the Lord STANDING (as opposed to sitting, as the Creed states) at the right hand of the Father.

We’ve been crawling through the Creed in my Catechumen class, and recently discussed that part of the Creed.

Many have wondered what the visual means (St. Stephen’s, that is)...was it an expression of the Lord’s outrage, was it an expression of solidarity (”...I am with you always...”).

Far be it for me to speak for the Lord, in my feeble sinfulness...but I’m pretty sure that what this woman speaks is vile, vile apostasy.

And I’d have to wonder if He was sitting or standing. Metaphorically, at least.


36 posted on 06/24/2009 8:09:17 AM PDT by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated
The Didache ( also referred to as The Teachings of the Twelve Apostles ), the oldest extant manual of church order, dating from the late first or early second century states: "You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish."

YHvH commanded us :
You shall not murder.
In Exodus and it is repeated in Deuteronomy.

Yah'shua repeats as is recorded in Matthew and Luke.

Paul repeats it in Romans.

Yah'shua's brother, James repeats the commandment again in his epistle.

This woman and her followers will have little ground
to stand on when they meet their maker and are judged.

In America we torture and murder 3500
innocent children each and every day.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
37 posted on 06/24/2009 8:12:27 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: marcbold

Now here is a member of the clergy that is going to be hating death


38 posted on 06/24/2009 8:38:59 AM PDT by SERE_DOC (Today's politicians, living proof why we have and need a second amendment to the constitution.)
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To: Matchett-PI

“The Church” is a spiritual organism composed of scattered individuals in whom the Holy Spirit resides. As as such, it is invisible. The Church isn’t a physical “building”.

Hence my AVOIDANCE of the word CHURCH. You will notice I said GROUP, not CHURCH.


39 posted on 06/24/2009 11:47:24 AM PDT by Colvin (Harry Reid is a sap sucking idiot.)
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