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Atlas Shrugged hits health care
The Daily Crux ^

Posted on 07/16/2009 7:02:16 AM PDT by sdw2009

Congressional Democrats proposed new health care legislation yesterday that would penalize all but the smallest businesses up to 8% of payroll if they failed to provide "health insurance" for every employee...

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TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: agenda; boondoggle; democrats; healthcare; obama; obamacare; thecomingdepression
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1 posted on 07/16/2009 7:02:16 AM PDT by sdw2009
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To: sdw2009

I guess when Obama said he was going to be the President for “Main Street”, he was referring to the bums, not the businesses.


2 posted on 07/16/2009 7:04:15 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: sdw2009

Who is John Galt?


3 posted on 07/16/2009 7:07:55 AM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: sdw2009

Chicago politics on a national scale - all to benefit the largest corporations and screw the middle class and entrepreneurs.


4 posted on 07/16/2009 7:08:03 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: mgc1122

“Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society’s virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion—when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing—when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors—when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you—when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice—you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that is does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot.
- Ayn Rand


5 posted on 07/16/2009 7:12:38 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: rarestia

John Galt is alive and well and spurring a new cottage industry of income reduction strategies among tax accountants


6 posted on 07/16/2009 7:13:35 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Excellent quote.


7 posted on 07/16/2009 7:15:53 AM PDT by villagerjoel (1. Implement socialist policies 2. ??? 3. Heaven on earth)
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To: sdw2009

There was a time when you went to the doctor and paid him for his services. THERE WAS NO HEALTH INSURANCE!!!!


8 posted on 07/16/2009 7:20:13 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Red_Devil 232

Tax rates in CANADA are now lower then in the US for business. Think about that.


9 posted on 07/16/2009 7:22:19 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Sacajaweau

What people don’t understand is that health care is a service. A doctor is a lot like an auto mechanic. They both perform services and you pay them for the services. There is nothing magical about “healthcare”.

A bunch of sissies just can’t stand the thought of being without health INSURANCE and the politicians learned how to tap into that irrational fear to smother us with socialism.


10 posted on 07/16/2009 7:26:12 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (Your government has harmed mankind more than all the evil done by evil men in the name of my God.)
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To: sdw2009
The next sentence in the article is important and needs to be repeated as much as possible.

I've put "health insurance" in quotes because this program has nothing to do with actuarial risks or long-term investing. "Health insurance" as it works today is nothing more than a payment plan for health care.

That's the real reason behind out of control health care costs. We use the least efficient payment method for health care possible (other than the government), which does more to isolate consumers from the economic consequences of their health care choices than any other method (other than the government).

There are a lot of reasons for this, but one is the excessive number of "mandates" states put on insurance companies to require them to cover various procedures in every policy, whether the insuree wants it or not.

I have one modest proposal. Remember how Congress was all in a huff to require cable companies to offer "a la carte" programming packages? Why not the same thing for health insurance? Shouldn't I have a choice whether I want coverage for, say, hair transplants or not?

Of course, our politicians' M.O. for the last several decades has been to relentlessly interfere in the market, and then complain when the market "doesn't work", as if it has ever been given a chance to. Such is the case with our "health care crisis."
11 posted on 07/16/2009 7:26:31 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Bullseye!!
12 posted on 07/16/2009 7:31:12 AM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty.)
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To: The Pack Knight

The arguments against universal health care:

1. It will cost too damn much, a lot more than the projected costs offered by government bureaucratic flunkies.

2. Health care will be rationed.

3. No incentives for doctors of all kinds to become doctors or to stay in the medical profession because salaries will be capped.

4. Enormous taxes for everybody in order to pay for universal health care.

5. Patients will wait months and years for care. This will especially hurt the elderly the most. The elderly will die waiting for care.

6. No guarantee illegal aliens will not be recipients of health care that American taxpayers (you and me) will pay through the nose for.

7. Government bureaucrats will determine who will receive care and who wont.

8. Health care will no longer be determined by doctors and their patients but be run by a nameless faceless government bureaucracy.


13 posted on 07/16/2009 7:32:00 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: The Pack Knight

The arguments against universal health care:

1. It will cost too damn much, a lot more than the projected costs offered by government bureaucratic flunkies.

2. Health care will be rationed.

3. No incentives for doctors of all kinds to become doctors or to stay in the medical profession because salaries will be capped.

4. Enormous taxes for everybody in order to pay for universal health care.

5. Patients will wait months and years for care. This will especially hurt the elderly the most. The elderly will die waiting for care.

6. No guarantee illegal aliens will not be recipients of health care that American taxpayers (you and me) will pay through the nose for.

7. Government bureaucrats will determine who will receive care and who wont.

8. Health care will no longer be determined by doctors and their patients but be run by a nameless faceless government bureaucracy.


14 posted on 07/16/2009 7:32:14 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: mgc1122

Does anyone know what the threshold is in a business’s “size” (I assume measured by number of employees) for this penalty to kick in? I’ll try and dig it up myself, but if anyone knows off the top of their heads, it’d save some trouble.


15 posted on 07/16/2009 7:33:27 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Ev Reeman

Excellent summary. I can add one more. “They tried it in Massachusetts and it’s a complete failure.” They’re dropping legal immigrants from the system because they’re looking at a 200 billion dollar deficit next year. Hawaii tried a program to provide healthacare for uninsured children. That went bankrupt because people who had insurance that would have otherwise qualified cancelled their health insurance to get the free state-provided insurance.


16 posted on 07/16/2009 7:41:51 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: rarestia

“Where is John Galt?”


17 posted on 07/16/2009 7:49:31 AM PDT by TNoldman (Conservative Values FOREVER!)
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To: Ev Reeman
5. Patients will wait months and years for care. This will especially hurt the elderly the most. The elderly will die waiting for care.

Unfortuantely, that may often be by design. According to people like Peter Singer in an NY Times column, the government should have the right to decide when health care is worth the expense. The elderly won't die waiting for care, but rather because some bureaucrat decides that their lives aren't worth saving.
18 posted on 07/16/2009 8:00:04 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Ev Reeman

The biggest reason to be against universal health care for me is that it provides entree for government interference into every corner of your life with the rationale that it is “costing all of us money.” So what you eat, how you play, how much you exercise, etc. suddenly becomes the turf of “everybody” or government Nurse Ratchets - especially when you include “mental health”. Reading blogs may be harmful to mental health, and so on. Frightening.


19 posted on 07/16/2009 8:02:17 AM PDT by Anima Mundi
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To: Anima Mundi

At least we will live in a free country, so stop whining. And pay your taxes or else you can’t be a good person.


20 posted on 07/16/2009 8:04:55 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (Your government has harmed mankind more than all the evil done by evil men in the name of my God.)
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