Posted on 07/23/2009 9:50:12 AM PDT by LeoOshkosh
Were the Obama birth announcements tinkered with? (The microfiche version of photoshopping?)
After looking at the birth announcement closely, I found something rather unusual. I copied the two names from the birth announcement listing on the right to the one on the left. Look at the lower case "r" in Richard and the lower case "i" in Wright.
The letters in the Obama Sr. name appear to line up perfectly. However, the Richard Wright (just above Obama's listing has some issues. The letters don't line up exactly like Obama's. Why would this happen? Copy and Past?
I’m not seeing it
bit of a stretch don’t you think?
Never mind, I see what you are saying now. The jump in Richard’s name seems to be on that crease in the paper.
If people want a collection of news articles about the Obama birth certificate and the only news outlet to *consistently* post articles about this — go to WorldNetDaily, as they’re an excellent resource, all in one place — for a major news site.
You might reference the New York Times, or the Los Angeles Times, or the Washington Post, or even NBC or CBS or ABC or CNN — but why reference the MSM, when there is WorldNetDaily?
WorldNetDaily
http://www.wnd.com/
It’s now getting ridiculous. I fear this whole issue is some sort of trap.
Proof positive. I think you should devote even more time to this.
are you going to start paying for your wnd ads?
I’ve seen a couple guys do this before and it may be true but I don’t understand what I’m susposed to be looking at or why its important.
what has been established is that someone lived at the residence named. further, for many years many publications listed obama’s birth hospital elsewhere.
only after people started to dig into this a month or so ago did a lot of publications retroactively make the change to reflect the new address. the hospitals themselves will say nothing.
There were no computers in 1961. Pages were manually created on a Linotype machine. While it did a very good job, there were variations from line to line and word to word.
It would be much more interesting if all the letters were perfectly typeset.
I don’t see it...but the dotted line above the Obama announcement indicates there could have been a little cutting and pasting going on.
That appears to be the cut off of the line above it where Leo pasted in the other BO name from the other announcement.
What do I think? I think Obama should just cough up his long form BC and be done with this.
You are missing the point. I’m not suggesting that the “doctoring” happened in 1961. Hell, it could have happened in 2003. Where did these copies come from? microfiche? or did someone actually have a paper?
That is my thinking too.. It is a trap..
No, WorldNetDaily pays for those billboards, across the U.S. — I don’t... LOL...
You know..., the billboards that say “Where is the Birth Certificate?”... :-)
Pimp my blog. I can see how you got your nickname.
Well, if it is a trap, they sure are risking a lot by waiting so long. Hell, healthcare might not pass the house, cap and trade won’t pass the senate. And they are trying to trap us? doesn’t make sense.
You said — I fear this whole issue is some sort of trap.
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I have said elsewhere that I’m detecting a “change in strategy” and that the leftists are actually co-opting this issue for themselves and finding it useful to derail conservatives. I’ve noticed this just recently.
This is what I said in another post...
Yes, it does appear to be a change in strategy and I noted that it was a “change” elsewhere. It seems to be a “developing strategy” actually. You know how some things work... you gradually come upon them or you stumble upon them. I think it may be that way with this, more recently.
I wrote the following elsewhere..., in a thread in which an article was trying to “tag” someone with this label of being a birther, while they were actually trying to distance themselves from it. It was like the article was “using” the birther designation to sidetrack the real issues that were being spoken about, by this conservative.
So, the comment I said elsewhere...
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The leftists don’t want the issue to go away. It’s too useful to them. I posted the following in another thread about what someone said is “panic” setting in. What I see, instead, is a “strategy” developing by the leftists...
Well, here’s how it would work..., if you’re a conservative and you have ever said anything about the birth certificate issue, those leftists are going to know about it. And then, let’s say you’re giving some reasoned points on some legislation being pushed by Obama...
If it starts sounding too good or they can’t counter it — then it’s time to shift over to the “Obama birth certificate issue” — and the leftists will be the ones who raise it.
Then they try to paint that person *as* one of those who believes that Obama is not qualified to be President, because he has not shown a proper birth certificate.
At that point, they’ve just gotten you off your points in regards to Obama’s legislation that you’re trying to get out to the public and over into whether you think that Obama is qualified to be President or not.
The public sees and hears this, they forget all about the points you were making on the legislation that Obama is pushing and now the public thinks the whole issue was about whether Obama is qualified to be President or not.
The leftists love to get the conservatives over into that topic, because it means that this particular conservative can’t talk about the legislation that he originally wanted to talk about.
That’s how it works...
And that’s why the leftists are loving the Obama Birth Certificate Issue as a good issue for them to beat on and divert any conversation away from something else.
I think the birther issue is going to be useful to them...
As I said, this appears to be a “developing” strategy right now... (i.e, just recently)
Hey, i tried to leave the url blank. It made me put something in there. no pimping here.
Looks fishy to me, too. I do know one thing....the Obamas, unless they were renting, never occupied/owned the home at the address in the birth announcement.
Typesetting?
Only 2 of 17 characters (including spaces) are misaligned in the Wright name (12%), while 0 out of 15 are misaligned in the Obama name. If as much as 12% of the characters are misaligned in the entire column of birth announcements, it is still statistically realistic for the Obama name to have no misalignments.
Sorry, there isn’t any clear indication of tampering in the evidence that you have provided.
The most you could expect to demonstrate with this effort is that there is tampering going on. But there is better evidence of that elsewhere (namely the lack of publicly available records on Obama’s past).
I have always thought it is easier for George Soros minions to tamper with old and obscure microfiche records of third rate Hawaiin news papers, than to get in and doctor the official state records... that said, I am not sure why they haven’t tampered with the state records unless it is being used to black mail the one... aka, el Presidente Obromo (translation from spanish President O’ Joke)
Wait... I think I see Michael Jackson’s face on the microfiche!
The left would love to keep this story going because it makes conservatives look like lunatics.
Some HI Freepers need to go visit this address and report / pics as to what is REALLY there.
These are obviously not from the same newspaper. In fact, it looks like the other names don’t overlap. You also have Aug & August and abbreviations.
My contention is that these are birth announcements from two different papers.
The birth certificate is a smoke screen - it doesn’t matter. Obama’s father was a Kenyan citizen. That admitted fact means Obama is not a “natural born citizen” according to the time-honored definition (someone born in the United States whose parents are both citizens of the United States).
I don’t see how you can say that they are perfectly alligned.
One even has t”highway” spelled out completely, the other does not. One has “August” spelled out the other does not.
If anything, it supports the birth announcement.
I don’t think there is any confusino regarding the announcement. The issue is with the birth.
I don’t see how you can say that they are perfectly alligned.
One even has t”highway” spelled out completely, the other does not. One has “August” spelled out the other does not.
If anything, it supports the birth announcement.
I don’t think there is any confusino regarding the announcement. The issue is with the birth.
How is microfiche forged? They’ve never posted any of the original papers so the birth announcements are only in digital format.
Who specializes in determining if microfiche has been tampered with? There must be some original new papers from this time at throughout HI. Not sure what the process is that experts use to determine if microfiche has been altered. Someone should investigate it. If found to be forged, that might be 4 documents which might have been forged, the Birth Certificate, Selective Service Doc and the Birth Announcements.
Quite likely, since I doubt they could have afforded the rent. However, they might well have rented the cottage in back of the house.
Does his autobiography (which I haven't read) say something different?
there is no way that outhouse was built prior or even in 1961.
“Looks fishy to me, too. I do know one thing....the Obamas, unless they were renting, never occupied/owned the home at the address in the birth announcement.”
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There’s a rental cottage behind the main house.
That's arguing the law instead of the facts. Two problems:
The NBC requirement was added to prevent influential foreign-born usurpers from carpet-bagging their way into the White House. E.g., the likes of Maximilian I of Mexico. Born and raised in the US is and ought to be perfectly fine.
One could make the same observation about the main house. Unfortunately, the folks who owned it in 1961 are no longer with us. A search of building permits might be interesting, however.
You said — The birth certificate is a smoke screen - it doesn’t matter. Obama’s father was a Kenyan citizen. That admitted fact means Obama is not a “natural born citizen” according to the time-honored definition (someone born in the United States whose parents are both citizens of the United States).
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Okay, if I were to go down this track for discussion, I see some problems here, in a “real world sense”...
Let’s say that the real issue is, exactly as you say, that Obama’s father is a Kenyan. I assume that this fact is not in dispute and is common knowledge. At least it seems that way to me.
And let’s say that this means that Obama cannot be a natural born citizen, because of that.
NOW... here is the *problem*...
It’s dealing with facts that are not in dispute as to who his father is, thus, it’s extremely simple to get a candidate like that dismissed from an election on the basis of known and undisputed facts.
The problem is that since it has not happened in a real court, in real life — then there is something wrong with the logic, or it would have happened — that is — if it is so easy to understand and comprehend.
I would say that the fact that this has not gone *anywhere* in any court and not been successful in accomplishing anything — is all the evidence that one needs to show that it’s not valid — at least not with the courts, it’s not... LOL...
However, I do agree it seems to be “valid” in the minds of many who frequent the threads dealing with this issue. The problem is that they don’t count (as far as getting something “judicially done”) and the only ones that count (in that regard) are the courts and the judges who hear cases like this.
good question. I don’t know what his autobiography says
From Dreams from My Father, page 70:
“Well, I think it’ll be wonderful for you two to finally get to know each other,” she said from the kitchen. “He was probably a bit tough for a ten-year-old to take, but now that you’re older…”I shrugged. “Who knows?”
She stuck her head out of the kitchen. “I hope you don’t feel resentful towards him.”
“Why would I?”
“I don’t know.” She returned to the living room and we sat there for a while, listening to the sounds of traffic below. The teapot whistled, and I stamped my envelope. Then, without any prompting, my mother began to retell an old story, in a distant voice, as if she were telling it to herself.
“It wasn’t your father’s fault that he left, you know. I divorced him. When the two of us got married, your grandparents weren’t happy with the idea. But they said okay-they probably couldn’t have stopped us anyway, and they eventually came around to the idea that it was the right thing to do. Then Barack’s father-your grandfather Hussein- wrote Gramps this long, nasty letter saying that he didn’t approve of the marriage. He didn’t want the Obama blood sullied by a white woman, he said. Well, you can imagine how Gramps reacted to that. And then there was a problem with your father’s first wife…he had told me they were separated, but it was a village wedding, so there was no legal document that could show a divorce….”
Her chin had begun to tremble, and she bit down on her lip, steadying herself. She said, “Your father wrote back, saying he was going ahead with it. Then you were born, and we agreed that the three of us would return to Kenya after he finished his studies. But your grandfather Hussein was still writing to your father, threatening to have his student visa revoked. By this time Toot had become hysterical-she had read about the Mau-Mau rebellion in Kenya a few years earlier, which the Western press really played up-and she was sure that I would have my head chopped off and you would be taken away.
“Even then, it might have worked out. When your father graduated from UH, he received two scholarship offers. One was to the New School, here in New York. The other one was to Harvard. The New School agreed to pay for everything-room and board, a job on campus, enough to support all three of us. Harvard just agreed to pay tuition. But Barack was such a stubborn bastard, he had to go to Harvard. How can I refuse the best education? he told me. That’s all he could think about, proving that he was the best….”
She sighed, running her hands through her hair. “We were so young, you know. I was younger than you are now. He was only a few years older than that. Later, when he came to visit us in Hawaii that time, he wanted us to come live with him. But I was still married to Lolo then, and his third wife had just left him, and I just didn’t think…”
She stopped and laughed to herself. “Did I ever tell you that he was late for our first date? He asked me to meet him in front of the university library at one. When I got there he hadn’t arrived, but I figured I’d give him a few minutes. It was a nice day, so I laid out on one of the benches, and before I knew it I had fallen asleep. Well, an hour later-an hour!-he shows up with a couple of his friends. I woke up and the three of them were standing over me, and I heard your father saying, serious as can be, ‘You see, gentlemen. I told you that she was a fine girl, and that she would wait for me.’ ”
Of course, that still doesn't say whether they were married at the time of BHO's birth. Only that they got married at some point. Also, I believe divorce paperwork has been found.
this is supposed to be their divorce decree
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I see, you're one of those "the Constitution is a living, breathing document" people, so the words "natural born citizen" don't really mean "natural born citizen". As you say: "Born and raised in the US is and ought to be perfectly fine."
Sorry, but I have no use for that kind of thinking. The plain meaning of words in the Constitution ought not to be misconstrued! If Obama doesn't meet the qualifications stated in the Constitution, it's not up to us to say "Oh, it's OK - he was born in the US so that's good enough." That is un-Constitutional, and a trap that conservatives should never fall into. If we don't insist on strict adherence to the plain meaning of "natural born citizen" then we give liberals the license to interpret every other part of the Constitution however they please.
this is supposed to be their divorce decree
Well that settles that. Michelle is full of it (not the first, nor the most important, time).
There would be no reason to get divorced unless you were married. And no reason to falsify the date of the marriage, either.
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