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Obama's Dr. Mengele Admits Health Care "Reform" Will Kill Old People Sooner
Flopping Aces ^ | 07-25-09 | Mike's America

Posted on 07/25/2009 5:12:31 PM PDT by Starman417

White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel's brother, a physician, appointed to Obama health care job admits killing old people is the only way to cut costs!

DEADLY DOCTORS O ADVISERS WANT TO RATION CARE By BETSY MCCAUGHEY New York Post July 24, 2009

Emanuel: Believes in withholding care from elderly for greater good. THE health bills coming out of Congress would put the decisions about your care in the hands of presidential appointees. They'd decide what plans cover, how much leeway your doctor will have and what seniors get under Medicare.

Yet at least two of President Obama's top health advisers should never be trusted with that power.

Start with Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.

Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change," he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).

Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008). Yes, that's what patients want their doctors to do. But Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else.

Many doctors are horrified by this notion; they'll tell you that a doctor's job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time. Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96). Translation: Don't give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson's or a child with cerebral palsy.

He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: "Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years" (Lancet, Jan. 31).

"Communitarianism?" Sounds like ?

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To: Starman417
Senior citizens can kiss goodbye to stints, heart bypasses and even a pace maker.

Need that knee replacement? LOL.

52 posted on 07/25/2009 7:10:07 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: RasterMaster; Jim Robinson; LucyT; autumnraine; The Sons of Liberty; Shady Ray; editor-surveyor; ...
It might do many Americans some good to take a longer look at the horror of state in absolute control like the demcorat party is working to achieve: Go through a few of the pictures, and see the faces of people state control slaughtered as 'undesireable', a 'cost/benefit decision don'tchaknow' much like the democrat congress critters are 'struggling' with to figure out how to jam it down yhour throat!
53 posted on 07/25/2009 7:10:13 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: screenombre

Sounds like a good plan to me.

Yes, I was listening to some on Fox today jokingly discussing the Heatlhcare issue and I wanted to say - it is no joke, you jokels.

The people who wrote this Deathcare bill should be arrested and indicted for crimes against America!


54 posted on 07/25/2009 7:13:22 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Starman417; M. Espinola; stephenjohnbanker; FromLori; Liz; TigerLikesRooster; All
More importantly: there is a National Martial Law Exercise scheduled to begin on Monday July 27th !

Foreign troops already on U.S. soil will take part. I have mentioned this operation several times before before, right here on FR.

This is a national exercise. It will mobilize local police, national guard units, state police, FEMA, Eastern European troops wearing black uniforms, private sector, and other international 'partners.' Field locations are throughout the country, including federal headquarters facilities in the Washington, D.C. area as well as federal, regional, state, tribal, local and private sector facilities in Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas and California. International partner nations will include Australia, Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom. The Navajo Nation will also participate.

Did this announcement catch you by surprise ________ ? What would you do without little old ex-Texan to wake you up . . . ? Go back to sleep, right?

Details are posted on my freeper page.

Please take care . . . Have a nice day.

55 posted on 07/25/2009 7:15:23 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: Jeff Head

Right here, right now, we must throw this back at the Demoncrats..Play the sound bites...all the time, buy time everywhere we can, now. Play the sound bites of the Demoncrats yelling “Conservative Republicans want to kill old people and take food from the mouths of babies”....
Play those bites, now, as many as we can find...then read the parts of the bill which CODIFIES KILLING OLD PEOPLE AND BABIES.....
We must fight back with all that we have. We have enough.


56 posted on 07/25/2009 7:19:38 PM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: USNBandit

See, per HIV/AIDS, I don’t think a complication has to be classified as such. And there are many, if you’ve ever known someone with it. It could be called something else, like terminal or serious, or <5 year life span or some such.


57 posted on 07/25/2009 7:23:23 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: kittymyrib

I am hoping that Kennedy, Byrd, and Specter will never get to vote on this Healthcare abomination.


58 posted on 07/25/2009 7:24:12 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama: "Irrational black guy--GOOD. White policeman--BAD! UGGA--UGGA!")
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To: Starman417
Obama’s Dr. Mengele Admits Health Care “Reform” Will Kill Old People Sooner

That simplifies things. Now every single physician in the Country is obligated to fight against obama-care. After all, their Hippocratic oath demands that they do no harm. Being for obama-care, or even not working against it, obviously flies in the face of that oath. Physicians should either actively work against obama-care, or resign.

59 posted on 07/25/2009 7:31:27 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar (I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom. You can keep the "change.")
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To: Starman417
There will be no shortage of this gas...

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It will now be the old duffers duty to die and go green-pushing daisies.

Next on the list....mentally challenged,disabled,chronically ill,etc.,etc.,.....

60 posted on 07/25/2009 7:32:09 PM PDT by hercuroc
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To: Starman417
There was an Austrian mathematician who died in 2002 at the age of 110. From his obit, "Vietoris proved important inequalities in three papers ... the last having been written at the youthful age of 103 years!" See the bottom of page 1235.

Pray tell, Lord Obama, when would have been a good age to off this man?


61 posted on 07/25/2009 7:34:34 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change," he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008). Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).

62 posted on 07/25/2009 7:36:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Starman417

Communitarianism is little different than the Nazi concepts of a superior race that must be supported by destroying those deemed inferior.


63 posted on 07/25/2009 7:37:53 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: webschooner

We need Photoshoped images of Obama, Pelosi, Waxman, Rahm, Reid, et al as Grim Reappers for this GrimReapper “healthcare”. Healthcare, hah!


64 posted on 07/25/2009 7:38:00 PM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: Starman417
I have to ask, when did we as a people begin to value life so cheaply? There was a time when we thought nothing of doing whatever was possible to prolong life, now life is no longer valued but is reduced to numbers on a balance sheet. This is not how I was raised nor is this the country I was raised in. There was a time when grandpa and grandma was cherished, loved and wanted but now they are a burden to commune. To paraphrase, a government that can give you health care can take that care away and will.

What is next, take the pill for the community? Budget a little tight at the local clinic so 100 must die to save the bottom line. This is nuts but this is what is being proposed. Someone please tell me I am wrong.

65 posted on 07/25/2009 7:40:17 PM PDT by engrpat (A village in Kenya is missing their idiot...lets send him back)
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To: SunkenCiv

I wish us Jews had power to publicly ex-communicate vermin like Emanuel who advocate concepts that DEFY G-d’s laws.

This is sick.


66 posted on 07/25/2009 7:40:59 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: Starman417
Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96). Translation: Don't give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson's or a child with cerebral palsy.

Sounds like Eugenics to me.

67 posted on 07/25/2009 7:41:12 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Starman417

My, my, my. I wonder what the AARP has to say about this???


68 posted on 07/25/2009 7:42:18 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: combat_boots

Bookmarking, thanks.


69 posted on 07/25/2009 7:42:35 PM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: combat_boots

I honestly try to read a lot of Obama’s stuff but it sickens me. I don’t need to be sick if we will be forced to have Obamacare. I may not live through it.


70 posted on 07/25/2009 7:46:10 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (Diversity causes division and resentment.)
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To: Starman417

Remember to tell the baby boomers you know:

Obamacare Means Death To Baby Boomers


71 posted on 07/25/2009 7:47:45 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Starman417
"Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change," he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).

Holy Moley!!!

I'll bet the Prostrate Press will get right on this immediately after they get done with their confessions and reciting their mandatory 100 "Damn Sarahs."

72 posted on 07/25/2009 7:48:32 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: screenombre

They just need hanging. No trials necessary. Anyone who proposes what these people are proposing, if true, needs to be led out and strung up from the nearest lampost, Mussolini style.


73 posted on 07/25/2009 7:49:29 PM PDT by Quickgun
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To: Starman417

>”Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years” (Lancet, Jan. 31).<

65 is NOT OLD, for heaven’s sake!!!!! What on earth did the Emmanuel brothers’ parents DO to them, to produce such warped minds?


74 posted on 07/25/2009 7:53:11 PM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: combat_boots

And all the while the deluded are screaming for it to pass, and have no clue that this Healthcare for everybody, is really Healthcare many cannot use, who are supporting Obama in wanting it passed....and the private Healthcare will be done away with...albeit slowly.


75 posted on 07/25/2009 7:54:44 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Starman417
Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96)

The Emanuels are Jews, from the Holy Land. Yet this is exactly how the Nazis started.

76 posted on 07/25/2009 7:55:02 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

AARP Spokesperson is probably 34....and of course a marxist.


77 posted on 07/25/2009 7:56:38 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Quickgun
They just need hanging. No trials necessary. Anyone who proposes what these people are proposing, if true, needs to be led out and strung up from the nearest lampost, Mussolini style.

A military coup would definitely be justified. The military's obligation is to protect We the People and the Constitution, not merely to "follow orders".

78 posted on 07/25/2009 7:57:25 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Kackikat

I don’t know why no one seems to have the guts to say it...

1. This is about free, albeit minimal, health insurance for ALL blacks.
2. It makes sure that NO ONE can buy any better coverage. What Obama’s people get, everyone gets.


79 posted on 07/25/2009 7:58:13 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda arm.)
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To: Paladin2

Obama appointed someone named Cass Sessions? to be a CZAR, who is a friend of his, and Fox gave some “comments” of this guy. Cass S. believes two year olds may be killed as abortion, because they are not fully developed yet, and that your dog can have a lawyer, and sue you in court as the victim. UNBELIEVABLE. This is NO joke people..these people have taken too many drugs or something..and he is a professor as well. Harvard?


80 posted on 07/25/2009 8:02:17 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

“As seniors do “the right thing we’ll do just fine.”

And what pray tell is right thing, just lay down and die quietly without complaining?

“AARP lowering age limit.”

I guess..someone has to pay darn dues.


81 posted on 07/25/2009 8:05:36 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: PubliusMM

Amen.


82 posted on 07/25/2009 8:06:50 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: rfreedom4u

You can check at Feldman’s website “Common Sense from Common Man”...he has a page by page, line by line breakdown that’s short and to point.


83 posted on 07/25/2009 8:08:15 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: freekitty
The problem with this guy he thinks he is excluded.

Slight typo on your part, now corrected.

BTW, the 535 maggots infesting the U.S. Capitol building in Washington are excluded from this POS legislation too, so I've been told.

84 posted on 07/25/2009 8:09:55 PM PDT by ssaftler (OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Yaelle
He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96)

Hey, what a great way to get rid of a snippy Inspector General!


85 posted on 07/25/2009 8:10:37 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men)
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To: Kackikat
RE: AARP

Just in case, my replay was "Headline?"

It's not a real story. I am a member of AARP and it seems that all their publications back Obama's health care 100%. I have not read every word in the publications they send to members but it seems that no criticism of Obama is allowed.

86 posted on 07/25/2009 8:12:46 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: engrpat

“I have to ask, when did we as a people begin to value life so cheaply?”

Since 100 million had to die to perfect Marxism/communism
throughout history. And we have a Marxist Potus.


87 posted on 07/25/2009 8:13:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Starman417
Ezekiel Emanuel

Now there's a name loaded with end-times Biblical prophecy significance! Although Dems think that Emanuel means "Obama is with us."

88 posted on 07/25/2009 8:14:28 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: All

I do not want to be warder boarded; i.e., prevented from health care by a government board of guards standing in the way.


89 posted on 07/25/2009 8:17:00 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Starman417
HEALTHCARE 1

90 posted on 07/25/2009 8:21:02 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Your post is excellent tagline material.


91 posted on 07/25/2009 8:21:47 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Embrace your inner Mengele... support doc 0zer0's snake oil death care!)
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To: Starman417

It’s Planned Grandparenthood!

“Every parent a planned and wanted parent...”


92 posted on 07/25/2009 8:24:36 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: C210N
We NEED 2010, and need it now!

Not yet! We still have too many people that need deprogramming from the 2008 election. It isn't until they see their job prospects dry up and the stimulous money going to waste that some will wise up then hopefully rise up.

93 posted on 07/25/2009 8:33:41 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Actually I thought you hit nail on head with AARP attitude, it’s like they all have dementia...and my understanding is Gov’t won’t be treating that either...so AARP may want to get some insight on this bill.HR3200.

Have you read it, or at least short version clips from Fleckman “Common Sense from Common Man” who has read it line by line and explained on his website. I saw THE JOURNAL REPORT on FOX with Betsy McCaughey...it was good, but so much in this bill not yet said.

I saw a clip on FR thread the other day of a black hole and people jumping into it...that fits this scenario perfectly. And Dems are like jumping in with their eyes open, it boggles the mind.


94 posted on 07/25/2009 8:38:01 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: CodeMasterPhilzar

They won’t. Most people will do what is easy rather than what is right. This includes doctors.


95 posted on 07/25/2009 8:38:10 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Not enough Honduras backbone yet...but it’s coming.


96 posted on 07/25/2009 8:40:48 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: OrangeHoof

They will not rise up. They we do what the people of mid-20th century Germany did:

blame the official government scapegoats.

It’s all going to happen again. Just wait and see.


97 posted on 07/25/2009 8:42:04 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Kackikat

There is no doubt in my mind that toddler killing will one day be made legal in the USA.


98 posted on 07/25/2009 8:43:48 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Starman417

We DEMAND the same health care that Congress gets!

I want to see Queen Nancy and Prince Harry sign up FIRST (including their families) for this Marxist health care!!!

Until then this SHOULD BE DEAD ON ARRIVAL!

I guarantee you that Queen Nancy’s facelifts cost more than medical care for an entire family!


99 posted on 07/25/2009 8:43:59 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Texas resident

NO, because Congress and Zero have the ultra-gold healthcare plan, and it won’t be like the gov’t one...they are going to keep theirs and shove this on down americas throats. Believe me it will be like the shutting down of Chrysler or GM dealers..they will check the voting record first. So it better not pass.


100 posted on 07/25/2009 8:44:53 PM PDT by Kackikat
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