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Podhoretz asks: "Why are Jews liberals?"
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | Wed Sep 2, 2009 | By HILLEL ITALIE, AP National Writer

Posted on 09/02/2009 8:46:36 AM PDT by Beloved Levinite

Podhoretz asks: Why are Jews liberals? Buzz up!17 votes Send Email IM .Share Delicious Digg Facebook Fark Newsvine Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Twitter Yahoo! Bookmarks .Print .. AP – FILE - In this June 23, 2004 file photo, Norman Podhoretz is shown after receiving the Presidential Medal … .By HILLEL ITALIE, AP National Writer Hillel Italie, Ap National Writer – Wed Sep 2, 7:02 am ET NEW YORK – Norman Podhoretz, the neo-conservative and former Commentary editor, is a stocky, confident man whose book-filled Upper East Side apartment features a bronzed wall image of Teddy Roosevelt with a bold-faced statement from the most bullish of presidents:

"AGGRESSIVE FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHT IS THE NOBLEST SPORT THE WORLD AFFORDS."

Like Roosevelt, Podhoretz prefers periods to question marks, with declarative books such as "Making It," "World War IV" and "The Bloody Crossroads." Since leaving liberalism in the 1970s, he has not doubted his turn right or hesitated to confront former friends, especially in defense of Israel.

He is 79, proud and satisfied, even with Democrat Barack Obama in the White House. But one issue nags him past the point of thought, a disappointment he brands by punctuation. It provides the title for his new book, "Why Are Jews Liberals?"

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To: Beloved Levinite

From talking with Jewish friends I have concluded that the members of the Leftist ruling group or communists, or socialists, or fascists (whatever they call themselves) are a minority in control legally, economically and socially, over the majority.

Jewish folks (not all) feel safer being in control over America’s Christian majority rather than be controlled by them. Hence, leftists in the US are in clear opposition to everything that is Christian and Jews feel comfortable in that position.

This opposition includes being against Christian support of Israel. Even leftist Jews who support Israel will work against Christians who support Israel in order to keep them out of power and influence.


21 posted on 09/02/2009 11:13:26 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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22 posted on 09/02/2009 6:11:58 PM PDT by SJackson (There is always a need for intoxication: China has opium, Islam hashish, the West woman, Malraux)
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To: Beloved Levinite

Why are “Jews” liberal? Because liberalism is a mental disorder. Surely you can understand why so many, many Jews have been driven insane over the centuries.
In all the world, there has never been a people that has had so many progroms against them, every one of them trying to eradicate Jews off the face of the earth.
Most “liberal” Jews are frightened Jews though you will never get then to admit it. If there is another wave of Jewish genocide, maybe they have renounced Judaism enough that it won’t include them this time around.
These Jews are also angry. Angry at the GOD of Israel for allowing them to suffer so greatly. After all, if Jews are the Chosen People, why didn’t the GOD of Israel smite the Romans, The Assyrians, the Spanish Inquisitors, the Nazis, islam?
See, most of us don’t know what the hell it is we have been chosen FOR. Some of us do and we accept it and everything that comes with it.
They see only today. Some of us look back and know we did the wrong thing at the wrong time and those wrongs cost us our futures unto the thousandth generation. Whether or not we even have a future looks precarious.
So the liberals will try to fight harder against everything they should be fighting for, and for everything they should be fighting against, in order to gain acceptance among men. Me? I would rather be forgiven by GOD.


23 posted on 09/02/2009 7:40:43 PM PDT by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1.)
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To: InterceptPoint; SJackson; Beloved Levinite; ckilmer; Godwin1
The mixture of identity politics and victimhood creates a toxic mix. The universalization of grievance is surely not unique to Jews as 100 years of Irish voting and the Kennedys shoes.

There is far more going on. There is a deep messianic earning among Jews. If not religious, we tend to wish to immanentize an eschaton. Liberals do this and so do neocons. Influenced by the renaissance, the reformation, liberalism and in the aftermath of multiple disasters European Jews felt a need to change the world. But this impulse is destructive and arrogant delusion in the most friendly of Christian nations. Finally, there is guilt. White guilt is a pale immitation of Jewish guilt.
24 posted on 09/02/2009 9:36:53 PM PDT by rmlew (“Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: Beloved Levinite
As a Jewish FReeper, I'll give you an explanation.

Reform Judaism and it's history. Reform Judaism came into being during the 1800's after centuries of pogroms ("small" holocausts) in various Jewishs communities in Europe. In part, in an effort to stop the murderous rampages against the Jews, they thought it might be a good idea to become more like their native hosts. Thinking that if they dropped major aspects of Jewish Law, such as dietary laws, strict sabbath observance, calling their buildings temples (and thereby eliminating Israel as the place of the future Temple) instead of synagog's, that they would be more accepted by "blending" in.

This dejudaized lifestyle then lead to a transfer beliefs such that no longer is G-d the agent of change and welfare but governments. Government is the agent of social justice. Government can redistribute income to equalize outcomes. Government became the new Golden Calf.

So, now you have roughly 80% of American Jews in this camp, the remaining are split between conservative and orthodox, who because they believe in G-d in much the same way as conservative Christians, tend to be much more politically conservative.

The good news and bad news is this. Good news, the orthodox are on the rise. They have big families, they are growing in number, they are big supporters of Israel and are moving to Israel (aliyah) and cant stand Obama. Some disgruntled Reform go to Orthodox for the real deal. The bad news is most of these Reform Jews wont change. They are intermarrying themselves out of existance and have become so liberal that they bear hardly any resemblance to Torah Judaism and their souls are in danger of being lost.

My two cents worth.

25 posted on 09/02/2009 10:10:17 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: Godwin1

So what you’re saying is... all of the problems in the world come down to people who have “God issues.” Right?


26 posted on 09/02/2009 10:22:41 PM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: blasater1960
Assimilation seemed feasible because there is very little difference theologically between Reform Judaism and liberal Christianity, at least as regards Christ and the Holy Scriptures. Taking one step further leads Jews into liberalism, which regards religion as passe’. That does not, of course, take care of social prejudice based on class and family culture, so anti-Judaism is superseded by antisemitism where even secular Jews are treated as members of a hated ethnic group.
27 posted on 09/02/2009 11:44:14 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: blasater1960

But here is the insanity of it. The “Jews” who renounce Judaism, for some reason known only to them, still call themselves Jews. They could do many things to distance themselves from any semblance of being Jewish, but they don’t.
Nor do they convert FROM Judaism. There is a malfunction here. They don’t want to act like Jews but they won’t let go of it altogether. It’s schizophrenic.


28 posted on 09/03/2009 1:48:33 AM PDT by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Secular Jews from the former Soviet Union voted majority against Obama. They had enough of socialism back in the USSR.

In Israel political landscape is wild. There is religious right, there is religious left, there is secular left, there is secular right.


29 posted on 09/03/2009 5:34:25 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: ckilmer

Very interesting analysis, thanks for posting it.


30 posted on 09/03/2009 7:24:45 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies - C.S. Lewis)
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To: blasater1960

Thanks for your insight blasater. I’m getting the “picture.”


31 posted on 09/03/2009 12:11:36 PM PDT by Beloved Levinite (I have a new name for the occupier of The Oval Office: KING FRAUD! (pronounced King "Faa-raud"))
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To: blasater1960; SJackson; rmlew; ncfool; dalight; Yaelle
Reform Judaism came into being during the 1800's after centuries of pogroms ("small" holocausts) in various Jewish communities in Europe.

No, there was actually little or no connection between the origin of Reform Judaism and pogroms. Pogroms were a phenomenon of Eastern Europe, most specifically the czarist empire. Reform Judaism, on the other hand, was born in Germany in the early 1800s, where Jews were more upwardly mobile and enjoyed more civil liberties than in anywhere else in Europe at the time.

When Reform Judaism translocated to the United States later in the 19th century, its base was predominantly Jews of recent German origin. Those Jews were not far left, for the most part, and their rabbinate was no where near as inane in supporting leftist causes as is today's Reform rabbinate. It is the latter that has had a major role in miseducating American Jews about history (both Jewish and American) and current events. When so many of today's American Jews are miseducated and brainwashed by Reform institutions and/or public schools, it's no wonder that they are more than willing to lead the cheers for self-destructive leftist politics and policies.

As for "social justice," look out whenever you hear anyone use that vacuous term. "Social Justice" inevitably means NO justice!

32 posted on 09/03/2009 2:46:14 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: RobbyS

Exactly! And that is the one of the big follies of Reform Judaism. As we see in Germany, it didnt matter that Germany was the seat of Reform thought. It didnt matter that culturally the Jews were the same as their German counter parts. If you were of Jewish ancestry...you went to the ovens.


33 posted on 09/03/2009 2:49:15 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: MestaMachine

Well, I totally agree it appears schizophrenic. I even know families that converted to christianty that still consider themselves Jewish, since they have a direct maternal lineage they can point to. Which is technically correct. I would say that it is more a mystical thing, that every Jewish person knows they have a Jewish soul (I realize this is an esoteric view) and can not divorce that aspect from their world view. I think that deep down, they know they are different, even though it makes no sense.


34 posted on 09/03/2009 2:59:27 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: blasater1960

The great pity is that German Jews seem to have been among the greatest patriots, a place where, like America, they could feel “ at home.” Which makes me wonder how American Jews could be so trusting of American politicians. If it could happen to German Jews.... What is that snatch of Scripture?”Put not you faith in princes...”


35 posted on 09/03/2009 5:36:33 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: justiceseeker93
When Reform Judaism translocated to the United States later in the 19th century, its base was predominantly Jews of recent German origin. Those Jews were not far left, for the most part, and their rabbinate was no where near as inane in supporting leftist causes as is today's Reform rabbinate. It is the latter that has had a major role in miseducating American Jews about history (both Jewish and American) and current events. When so many of today's American Jews are miseducated and brainwashed by Reform institutions and/or public schools, it's no wonder that they are more than willing to lead the cheers for self-destructive leftist politics and policies.

Not bad. Not bad at all. Not completely accurate, but at least heading in the right direction.

36 posted on 09/03/2009 10:21:32 PM PDT by dalight
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To: justiceseeker93; blasater1960; SJackson; rmlew; ncfool; dalight; Yaelle
Quite true. Reform Judaism is born of liberalism and a desire to assimilate. The result of the Khmelnytsky Uprising and the later wars in Poland that killed perhaps as many as half of the 200,000 Polish-Lithuanian Jews was a breakdown of Traditional Orthodoxy and a rise of mystical ones. It gave us the Hasidic movement as well as a swell of disorganized Messianic zeal that led to widespread acceptance of Shabatai Zvi and Jacob Frank. Reform Judaism is the opposite of this.
37 posted on 09/04/2009 12:35:41 AM PDT by rmlew (“Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: rmlew
The result of the Khmelnytsky Uprising and the later wars in Poland that killed perhaps as many as half of the 200,000 Polish-Lithuanian Jews was a breakdown of Traditional Orthodoxy and a rise of mystical ones. It gave us the Hasidic movement as well as a swell of disorganized Messianic zeal that led to widespread acceptance of Shabatai Zvi and Jacob Frank. Reform Judaism is the opposite of this.

Very interesting. I don't remember Paul Johnson covering this in the History of the Jews.

Where did you read about this?

38 posted on 09/04/2009 8:32:17 AM PDT by dalight
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To: Beloved Levinite

Why does the question puzzle you? Why would you expect otherwise? Why is it hard for you to accept that different religions have different sets of values?


39 posted on 09/05/2009 7:56:13 AM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: TheFourthMagi

Republicans represent the establishment, normalcy, orthodoxy.

Democrats are more representitve of the outsider, the devients. Catholics were considered outsiders at one point, so Irish immigrants were always Democrats. In fact all immigrants have associated with the Democrat Party.
Gays, blacks, etc. also consider themselves outsiders and vote Democrat.

Jews apparently have followed that tradition, though I am a Republican.


40 posted on 09/05/2009 8:05:19 AM PDT by steven33442
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