Obama & Indonesia: Where Are the Facts? HonoluluAdvertiser, MSNBC, AtlasShrugs

The Right Side of Life ^ | Aug 31, 2009 | Phil

[Para-Ord.45]

Toss in the crucible and boil it down to one paragraph, the bottom line as to what they`re implying svp.

[penelopesire]

hmmmmmmm....ping!

[Ouderkirk]

They have rehashed everything we have seen about this issue to date, and there is nothing new. Barry Soetoro Obama releases nothing and continues to fight release of even the most mundane of facts about himself. Dreams of his father is fiction, as was his previous autobiography which neither were actually written by Barry.

[marron]

Let me see if I get the point of the article, since no one seriously alleges that Obama was born in Indonesia.

I think the point is, why did Hoover have to google it, why didn’t he search the birth announcements in his own paper? Is it implying the birth announcements were seeded into the record later and weren’t there at the time?

Or maybe it was just simpler for Hoover to google since he could do it from his desk and didn’t have to dig through a bunch of microfilm? If there was any chance the microfilm was altered at the public library, it would be interesting if he would compare his microfilm with what is available at the library, I suppose.

[Kenny Bunk]

Vinnie, I suppose all this Indonesian stuff is interesting, but it is beside the main point. Obama is probably a US citizen of some sort ... what he is more than likely not is a "Natural Born Citizen," as required by the Constitution. That's because, all other interesting facts, factoids, and speculation aside, his father was not an American, nor ever an American citizen of any kind.

Had he been born in Hawaii, and then taken to Indonesia, he could easily and quite possibly become a dual Indonesian and American Citizen. Short of court-ordered discovery, we are never going to know because he doesn't want us to know.

Yeah Yeah Yeah, "He's hiding something!" NSS.

Bottom line: it can always be plausibly argued that he is a citizen because of his mother, however no matter where he was born, or where his mother took him, whether or not he is a Muslim or a Christian, etc. ad nauseam, what really remains is that he is in all likelihood, not a "Natural Born American Citizen."

So frickin' what? Until this gets into a court, or a state passes an Eligibility Law, all we have is public opinion in a country that looks to me to pretty much 50-50 on the issue.

[Non-Sequitur]

And the point you were trying to make in all that is...?

[PghBaldy]

I appear to be the obe who found the Duckworth/Obama article. I assume it implies O was adopted by his Indonesian father. That, and the fact he lived there for several years may confuse people into thinking he was born there.

[PghBaldy]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2322467/posts?page=26#26

Here’s a new one: “Posted on: Sunday, January 8, 2006
Duckworth working to win - ... Duckworth is happy to point out that she and Hawai’i-raised Punahou graduate Obama have “a kama’aina connection.”

Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively.” http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/08/ln/FP601080334.html

26 posted on August 23, 2009 8:28:32 AM EDT by PghBaldy (http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/06/president-obama-visits-wounded-troops.html)
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[DrC]

I don’t think it’s a stretch to think that an official reporter can get access to newspaper microfilm that an ordinary citizen cannot. Taken at face value, this story essentially implies that the notices unearthed from the state library’s copy of the microfilms were identical to the notices obtained from the newspapers’ microfilms. This at least rules out one of the more imaginative explanations for these notices: that someone sneaked in and somehow manually edited the microfilm. Given that there likely dozens of copies of these microfilmed records scattered at various research libraries across the country (including, for example, Library of Congress, I would guess), it never made sense to me that such a forgery would be attempted much less executed without detection.

On a related point, I’ve never spent a day in Hawaii, but I’ve worked in large government bureaucracies, including those housing Vital Records offices, so I’m familiar with their SOPs. It’s pretty obvious that Vital Records put out some sort of standard press release or listing of all the births recorded in city (or county) X during the preceding week (or whatever time interval there was between press releases). This accounts for why 2 different papers simply printed the info in identical order and it also accounts for why the twins whose birth certificates were filed or approved after Obama’s likely didn’t show up until the next week’s list.

The foregoing in no way rules out the possibility that Obama’s grandmother or mother filed for a birth certificate for a birth that occurred outside Hawaii. But any alternative story of where Obama was born has to accept these newspaper notices about his birth as genuine rather than additional forgeries etc. To me the recent news that Obama’s grandmother lived at the address listed confirms their legitimacy. Especially given the presence of a guest house out back, it’s highly plausible that Obama’s mother would have lived with her parents especially in the latter days of pregnancy.

She and Barack Senior allegedly got married in Feb., Barack born early August and then as best we can tell she was IMMEDIATELY off to Seattle to take fall classes. So it’s pretty obvious from this change of events that there was a rather severe falling out between the 2. The parents clearly weren’t particularly pleased with the situation their daughter had gotten herself into, so in that context, it’s hard to imagine they’d keep bankrolling an apartment for her (since she was enrolled in school in Hawaii after Fall 1960) when they had a perfectly good place for her to stay rent-free etc.

[marron]

Thank you. This makes sense to me.

[Vincent Jappi]

That we dont even know now is the Gray Communist is an Indonesian citizen or where the newspaper announcements have actually be found is just another consequence of what constitutes the core of the Certifigate scandal:

no reliable, serious, legal, “forensic”, procedure has ever been applied to determine in a credible manner whether the so-called “President” is even a U. S. citizen.

All has been diverted into debates about “images” on the Internet, while those who tried to remind others about what the normal thing to do is were ridiculed, and major search engines made sure to degrade the ranking of the researches made by Jerome Corsi and the WND team when the issue became the subject of public debate.

This is the kind of manipulation an institutionalized legal procedure would have avoided, but instead that part of the Constitutional order has relied on a expectation of honesty from party officials which seems to be centuries away from the mindset of the Nancy Pelosies and the Howard Deanses.

Of course institutional anti-white racism has also played a major part in the question not being asked in time by the dominant media or politicians.

[iloveluci]

Jay Rockefeller really likes Obama. Rockefeller's, Standard Oil in Indonesia. Ann Dunham’s dad worked for Standard Oil in Kansas and Indonesia. There's a gap in Ann Dunham life from Feb 1961 until she shows up with little Barry. No one ever saw her pregnant. No one saw her with Obama Sr. There's a Rockefeller,Dunham,Indonesian connection. Obama Sr. was someone to throw people off track. No DNA evidence from the Dunham’s or Obama Sr. So who is the real mommy and daddy? Your correct about him not being a “natural born citizen”.