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The Theory is Now a Conspiracy And Facts Don’t Lie
canada freepress ^ | September 10, 2009 | JB Williams

Posted on 09/10/2009 8:48:46 AM PDT by opentalk

To be a bonafide conspiracy, two or more individuals must knowingly conspire, plot or plan an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious act. In politics or law, an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act, is a “conspiracy.” Not in theory, but in reality.

Such is the case today!

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; canidate; certificate; certifigate; conspiracytheory; dnc; election; eligibility; nomination; obama; pelosi; rico
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To: mojitojoe
Here's the RNC document to TN:

It SPECIFICALLY states that McCain and Palin do meet the Constitutional requirements for the job.

Why does the simple fact the the ORIGINAL documents said 0bama was Constitutionally qualified AND THEY REMOVED THAT STATEMENT before submitting the documents, not impress you as significant?

51 posted on 09/10/2009 11:17:32 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 232 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: STARWISE

Where can we get a copy of Clinton’s? Each state has one,right? I want to see what the DNC had on Clinton’s.


52 posted on 09/10/2009 11:26:34 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: rarestia

As a matter of covering our bases, however, I’d like to see the paperwork submitted in convention’s of the past. Perhaps this is a standard operating procedure? Let’s not make a storm in a teacup until we know how big is the teacup.
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Thank you and I agree! We don’t need to jump the gun, if we are wrong, it gives the other side things to use against us. It should be easy to get Clinton’s since each state has one on file, correct?


53 posted on 09/10/2009 11:33:10 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: mojitojoe

As I understand it, these were obtained
via an FOIA. The only docs that have
been released that I’ve found are from
AZ .. so someone must’ve gotten that FOIA
approved.

There would have to be 49 others that,
subject to the FOIA request, a judge
could approve for release.


54 posted on 09/10/2009 11:33:10 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: opentalk

Wow, what a post! A smoking gun may have been found!!!!


55 posted on 09/10/2009 11:34:23 AM PDT by balls
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To: Just A Nobody; STARWISE
did not think it a slight; (doubt STARWISE will either). Two reasons for correcting.

The second is to reinforce just how critical the Freeper research has become. MSM no-news propaganda machine has forced people to get news elsewhere; but, moreover, anything important (to the cause) that breaks on conservative mid-tier news/talk/blogs sources generally has lagged Freeper research by days, weeks, months, etc.

I'm not sure anyone realizes just how important FR has become. The connections are worked out here & the findings (along with source documentation [bec Freepers are attacking their work so professionally] are filtering up the chain to a larger or more visible entities willing to go public with the info. What also happens is that mid-tier sources start the ball rolling & Freepers pick it up, expand & enlarge & connect the dots; then mid-tier sources pick up the ball again and report their breaking news.

This is nothing new on FR, An army of intelligent, pro-active, Constitution-loving citizens have been pooling their collective knowledge and expertise here since the beginning. What is new is how organized Freepers have become and how starved the public is for TRUTH.

Freepers are generally selfless regarding their work. Often, very often, the research is so collaborative it is impossible to distribute credit --- Freepers working as one organism.

But where we can, giving credit where credit is due is just plain just.

Freepers will never know if they saved our country, but they will never forget that they responded when their country sent out an SOS.

And Freeper wit. the best!!!
56 posted on 09/10/2009 11:36:56 AM PDT by thouworm
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To: DustyMoment
This isn't new news. FReepers discovered this a while ago, on the birth certificate threads, I believe. I don't know why they didn't follow up and get a copy of Clinton's and Carter's to compare it with. Bush's too.
I don't understand why some of these news media sources don't get all of their information and evidence before running a story. It drives me crazy because it allows the Marxist and his team to confiscate, scrub and get rid of evidence to back up the evidence that was found. Have they never heard of discretion?
57 posted on 09/10/2009 11:36:59 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: opentalk

This is more evidence for the Orly Taitz hearing coming up in January.


58 posted on 09/10/2009 11:37:10 AM PDT by balls
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To: null and void

Someone posted upthread that some states required certification, and some states do not. Therefore there are two forms. Before I get too excited about this...Does anyone know the law regarding this??? Anyone??


59 posted on 09/10/2009 11:37:41 AM PDT by sissyjane
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To: rolling_stone; null and void; STARWISE; BP2; MHGinTN; LucyT; Las Vegas Ron; Fred Nerks; ...

I don’t want to pop everyone’s buble here, but the two different forms were used for different states, some needed the certification, some didn’t.
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Both of those forms are for Colorado. If you state this information, post a link to your source and back up what you say.


60 posted on 09/10/2009 11:41:24 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: JewishRighter

Ping !!!


61 posted on 09/10/2009 11:44:46 AM PDT by balls
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To: rolling_stone
I don’t want to pop everyone’s buble here, but the two different forms were used for different states, some needed the certification, some didn’t.

Show me the certification from ONE state that requires it, please?

Here's the problem:

Nancy Pelosi signed, under penalty of perjury, a version where she specifically certified that 0bama is Constitutionally qualified for the job.

Then SHE PULLED THAT DOCUMENT BACK, and signed a document that was MUTE as to his Constitutionally qualifications, and submitted that one instead.

There is absolutely no reason that a state that doesn't require the eligibility statement would require that it be omitted!

The most logical reason is that she wanted to avoid committing perjury. (Treason is apparently less of a concern in her mind, as anyone familiar with her voting record can attest)

The other thing? She had to have known in advance, or at a minimum discovered after signing the first version, that he was NOT qualified. Otherwise, she would have let the first version stand.

She knew. She knew. She knew. She knew. She knew. She knew. She knew. She knew. She knew.

And, in the name of partisan politics, she deliberately betrayed our country and our Constitution.

62 posted on 09/10/2009 11:45:09 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 232 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void; STARWISE

It does impress me as very significant but we already went over this months ago on the BC thread. This isn’t new news. I don’t recall what the outcome was. I hate it when news organizations jump the gun. I like to have all of my evidence, then make my case or not. I think we need a copy from each state or at least more than Colorado. I also would like to see Bush’s and Clinton’s. The FReeper rollingstone is saying this means nothing. I haven’t seen his proof yet, but it seems to me when we discussed this months ago, obviously we decided there was an explanation or we wouldn’t have dropped it, right? UNLESS we just totally dropped the ball and moved on before we reached a conclusion.


63 posted on 09/10/2009 11:48:03 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: null and void

Nancy Pelosi signed, under penalty of perjury, a version where she specifically certified that 0bama is Constitutionally qualified for the job.

Then SHE PULLED THAT DOCUMENT BACK, and signed a document that was MUTE as to his Constitutionally qualifications, and submitted that one instead.
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AND that is very *fishy* and she needs to explain it. We need to get other documentation, Bush, Clinton, if it’s there, and Obama’s is the only one that was removed, hello “Houston, we have a problem”


64 posted on 09/10/2009 11:49:57 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: mojitojoe

Hey joe relax have a mojito, this has been discussed on another thread just cant find it right now and I qualified my remarks with if I recall, we are on the same side so take it easy., IIRC California had the certified form also. The forms were made in Dencer then sent to the different states, some with some without cert. Thank You

“Here is what Nancy Pelosi and the DNC sent to the Hawaiian Secretary of State:”

http://itooktheredpill.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/ok-speaker-pelosi-how-did-the-dnc-certify-obamas-eligibility/


65 posted on 09/10/2009 11:50:22 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: mojitojoe

I have another question...Why would Nancy Pelosi sign that form? In what capacity? Speaker of the House? She isn’t in charge of the Democratic party? Sorry for the questions, just playing catch-up.


66 posted on 09/10/2009 11:52:20 AM PDT by sissyjane
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To: Just A Nobody

No worries at all, Justa .. ;)


67 posted on 09/10/2009 12:02:38 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: rolling_stone

Hmmmm. It says “legally” not “Constitutionally”.

I’d be curious to know if the constitutionality of whatever law she’s claiming has ever been upheld.

Side bet, it’s the McCaskill resolution, it was approved as a “sense of the Senate” and that’s almost as good as an actual law, isn’t it?


68 posted on 09/10/2009 12:03:59 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 232 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: mojitojoe

see 173 then my 185 I was excited also until the bubble burst.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2304218/posts?page=185#185


69 posted on 09/10/2009 12:06:21 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: All

first three posts may answer some questions

http://jbjd.wordpress.com/


70 posted on 09/10/2009 12:08:54 PM PDT by thouworm
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To: rolling_stone; null and void

That one is not stamped received. I’m not buying it. The one in CO minus the Constitution part was stamped received.


71 posted on 09/10/2009 12:13:17 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: rolling_stone

What do those 2 posts prove? Where is the post where your bubble burst? It’s not in those 2.


72 posted on 09/10/2009 12:17:16 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: mojitojoe

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:Z82pNB0boqkJ:moniquemonicat.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hawaii-response.pdf+Shalifa+A+Williamson&hl=en&gl=au

look for california, I cant find it and have other things to do right now...


73 posted on 09/10/2009 12:18:16 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: mojitojoe

they went to another thread..keep looking..Hawaii for sure..relax...


74 posted on 09/10/2009 12:19:42 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: mojitojoe
Actually, this particular issue IS new news. I'm a birther and try to follow the revelations pretty closely and this is the first I have seen of ANYONE connecting the dots on the DNC’s eligibility statements and their intentional “sleight of hand”.

In and of themselves, the eligibility statements are enough to raise some questions but, when combined with all of the other information that has been collected about zero (some by Orly Taitz, some by Jerome Corsi, some by Joeseph Farah), the fire is getting much, MUCH smokier and flames can occasionally be seen through the smoky haze.

What is much more interesting is that Queen 9% Nazi Pelousy is now implicated in the fraud and it explains MUCH about HER arrogant attitude and why she seems to believe that she is co-president with zero!!

75 posted on 09/10/2009 12:45:00 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Windflier

Documentary evidence that Obama is ineligible. Bookmark.


76 posted on 09/10/2009 1:20:44 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: balls
It appears that the notary had a cozy relationship with the DNC, other posts have her on their pay roll. she did some community work with Howard Dean and stated this

“Shalifa Williamson of Aurora said she's enjoying doing public service projects with other Democratic staffers from around the country.”

“It's like a big happy family now,”

following:http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=84265

77 posted on 09/10/2009 1:25:27 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Scythian
Woah, maybe this is what Beck has?

Now THAT would definitely take health care off the front page.

Sadly, I believe that he'll "break" the ACORN prostitution story, which is big, but not the "tide changing" story he claims it will be.

78 posted on 09/10/2009 1:28:38 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: All
Pardon my logic, but why have two different signed documents to be sent to the states at all? Seems to be too much work to me. Why not just address the higher requirement, prepare the document, get it signed and then send said document to all 50 states. By that method an entity covers the bases regardless of the lower requirements for some states. Since some states required the constitutional statement, all 50 states should get the same notice containing it.

Maybe that is why the Speaker prepared a document addressing the lower requirements? So the 'O' would be required to provide his own statement and give her an out (an "Oops, I forgot!" moment?)? After all, what is he going to do to her if she "forgot," and now he has to sign a statement that he is constitutionally qualified?

Then when they come to her later she can say, like Sgt Schultz of Stalag 13, "I know nothing, NOTHING!" with a "straight" face. (cough, gag, choking sounds, sound of body hitting the floor)

[This computer is sad to report that the typist is currently rolling around on the floor, holding his ribs and making stange, laughing noises]

79 posted on 09/10/2009 1:57:07 PM PDT by egfowler3 (A poor memory is not the same as a clear conscience.)
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To: null and void; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Boazo; Alamo-Girl; PhilDragoo; ...

charge!


80 posted on 09/10/2009 3:47:07 PM PDT by bitt (“You can’t make a weak man strong by making a strong man weak.” (Abraham Lincoln))
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To: Scythian
Spicoli, was brillant..........

-Mr. Hand

82 posted on 09/10/2009 4:24:22 PM PDT by Osage Orange (A community organizer cannot bitch when communities organize..... - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: bitt

Thanks bitt, I’m reading!


83 posted on 09/10/2009 4:25:04 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: Admin Moderator

nice


84 posted on 09/10/2009 4:58:22 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

This may be too hot for even Glenn to cover.(Fox) The Watch dogs are probably also involved or too intimidated.


85 posted on 09/10/2009 5:28:00 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Baynative
This BC thing has always seemed a bit far fetched ...until now. Someone should be asking Ms. Pelosi and Shalifa Williamson to explain the signing and notarizing of two separate and different documents on the same day.

This DEMANDS explanation.

86 posted on 09/10/2009 6:56:47 PM PDT by thecodont
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WOW, I can’t wait for the movie to come out.
This is way better than all the “Who Killed Kennedy?” stuff.


88 posted on 09/10/2009 8:52:53 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama's New New Deal = The Raw Deal)
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To: Homer1

If they didn’t know, why did they have to cover their bases???


89 posted on 09/10/2009 9:12:38 PM PDT by danamco
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To: Admin Moderator

read later...


90 posted on 09/10/2009 9:16:01 PM PDT by OldBlondBabe
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To: Scythian
Woah, maybe this is what Beck has? This is mind boggling if true.

For some odd reason (???) no radio or tv station, including Beck is going to touch this with a 10'-pole!!!

91 posted on 09/10/2009 9:21:34 PM PDT by danamco
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To: rarestia

“Perhaps this is a standard operating procedure?”

Question: Is what S.O.P? Leaving out on his paperwork the part about his being qualified?


92 posted on 09/10/2009 9:25:52 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Boycott Obama TV!!)
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To: null and void

I wonder if JB Williams is a freeper....sure would be great to be able to have a discussion with him on this!


93 posted on 09/10/2009 9:27:11 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Boycott Obama TV!!)
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


94 posted on 09/10/2009 9:36:05 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: mojitojoe

Sandy Burglar went around and stocked his socks with them!!!


95 posted on 09/10/2009 9:42:20 PM PDT by danamco
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To: thouworm

Especially with dan Blather’s fiasco!!!


96 posted on 09/10/2009 9:46:09 PM PDT by danamco
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To: DustyMoment

I agree, we need to see Clinton’s and Bush’s. If all of those have the Constitution clause in them and Obongo’s is the ONLY one without it. Pelosi better explain fast.


97 posted on 09/10/2009 11:36:02 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: rolling_stone

I’m not seeing what you are saying. I see nothing else like those.


98 posted on 09/10/2009 11:38:30 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: Judith Anne
Glenn, Rush, BOR, Sean, Michael, Dennis, Medved, etc. will not go near the eligibility issue, except perhaps to occasionally disparage "Birthers." I don't know why. One theory,,, unattributed source... tells us that they have been threatened with being banned from the airwaves.

The "Natural Born Citizen" issue is pretty simple. TO be eligible to run for, and serve in the Office of POTUS, requires that one be born of two (2) US citizens. That is, both parents must be citizens either by birth or naturalization at the time of their child's birth. It is about damn time for the SCOTUS to somehow rule on this, because next, "Anchor Babies," the offspring of illegal aliens, will be claiming "Natural Born Citizenship."

Birth Certificates, police records, kindergarten files, college transcripts, medical records and everything else that might show BHO, Jr. to be an actual human from this planet rather than some sort of communist doppelganger, would certainly be welcome. But the evidence that BHO, Jr. is NOT a "Natural Born Citizen" of the US is plainly evident without this background information, as vital as it is as corroboration. Team Obama's lawyers are happy to concentrate on this part of the record because the pre-trial battles to keep the records out of discovery, or to challenge standing of the plaintiffs, obfuscate the main event. I.E., it is painfully plain that their client is constitutionally ineligible.

The only national talker who does talk about eligibility is GGL, and he gets it wrong almost every damn time, usually focusing on Kenya, rather than "Natural Born Citizen." Joseph Farah of WND is front and center with it, but his DEBKA Files writing style costs him credibility, even when his facts are always on the money!

BTW, no, NO MSM coverage for the eligibility trial creeping forward in California. None. And none for the legislative movement in several states to require Presidential Candidates to prove their eligibility before gaining a place on the state ballot, or receive the state's electoral votes.

If someone like Orrin Hatch would devote 30 seconds to this, instead of confirming raving communist nutjobs like Susstein to high office, the country would be a lot better off.

99 posted on 09/11/2009 5:53:04 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Congratulations Obama Voters! You are not prejudiced. Unpatriotic, maybe. Dumb definitely.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Who is going to be the little boy who cries out what EVERYONE KNOWS:

Look! Look at the emperor! The emperor has no clothes!

Honestly, I got a glimpse of Zero at the Pentagon, with his wife behind him, going down a line, shaking hands in the rain, SMILING. As I briefly looked, before turning off the image, I thought, where am I? Where is my country?


100 posted on 09/11/2009 7:15:12 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Drill here! Drill NOW! Defund the EPA!)
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