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Brezinski Calls for Obama to Shoot Down Israeli Jets; "A Liberty in Reverse"
weeklystandard.com ^ | Sept. 19, 2009 | Michael Goldfarb

Posted on 09/19/2009 7:19:55 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

In a little noticed interview with the Daily Beast (presumably little noticed because serious people don't read the Daily Beast), Zbigniew Brzezinski suggests that Barack Obama do more than just refuse to support an Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear sites -- the American president must give the order to shoot down Israeli aircraft as they cross Iraqi airspace:

DB: How aggressive can Obama be in insisting to the Israelis that a military strike might be in America’s worst interest?

Brzezinski: We are not exactly impotent little babies. They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?

DB: What if they fly over anyway?

Brzezinski: Well, we have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse.

Contrary to Brezinski's half-hearted disclaimer that no one wishes for such an outcome, there are plenty on the left who would delight in a pitched battle between the United States and Israel. Democrats in Congress routinely support resolutions affirming Israel's right to take whatever steps it deems necessary to assure its own national defense. And Obama has at least paid lip service to the concept. But hostility to Israel among the rank and file is very real on the left -- and among "realists."

So conjure the image -- the Obama administration sending U.S. aircraft up to protect Iran's airspace and it's nuclear installations from an attack by a democracy that is one of America's closest allies. Unfortunately, this may not be so hard to imagine in Israel, where the number of people who believe Obama is pro-Israel is at just 4 percent -- and falling. And given Obama's (literally) submissive posture to the Saudis, his indulgence of the Iranians, and his simultaneously hard-line approach to Israel, it seems even some of Obama's supporters can savor the possibility of a "reverse Liberty."


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: airstrikes; bhomiddleeast; brzezinski; iaf; iran; israel; jimmycarter; lebanon; libertyinreverse; mhmmdnsm09192009; ussliberty; zbigniew; zbigniewbrzezinski
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1 posted on 09/19/2009 7:19:56 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY
So conjure the image -- the Obama administration sending U.S. aircraft up to protect Iran's airspace and it's nuclear installations from an attack by a democracy that is one of America's closest allies.

No doubt in my mind that the MARXIST MUSLIM AMERICA-HATING USURPER would side with Iran over Israel.
2 posted on 09/19/2009 7:23:43 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

so the liberal idiots against the war in Iraq now claim it as ‘our airspace’. I see.


3 posted on 09/19/2009 7:23:51 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Free ThinkerNY
President Carter's chief deputy anti-Semite and National Security Adviser is heard from. I worked there, and he's much worse when the media is absent!
4 posted on 09/19/2009 7:25:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $1 million for Sarah Palin if she runs; What will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All the time I try to convince people Poles are not Anti-Semites, this Dupa has to open his mouth.


5 posted on 09/19/2009 7:26:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Electric Graffiti
This anti-Semite's daughter is the cohost of "Morning Joe" on MSNBC. They have both been known to make anti-Jewish and anti-Israel statement in the past.

You can find Joe Scarborough here on Twitter.
6 posted on 09/19/2009 7:28:10 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That would be the final end of whatever arrangement still exists between Jews and the dem party in America.


7 posted on 09/19/2009 7:28:41 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Any jet that Obama sends against Israel will be a jet that he will lose.


8 posted on 09/19/2009 7:30:43 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’d like to think that Emanuel would have enough love for Israel somewhere deep in his chest cavity to keep such a thing from ever happening.


9 posted on 09/19/2009 7:31:06 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Free ThinkerNY
This would be one of those orders that Obama had better consider carefully. The military might not obey and the consequences could be profound.
10 posted on 09/19/2009 7:33:19 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Ziggy strikes again.


11 posted on 09/19/2009 7:33:35 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Free ThinkerNY

There’s something in some old book about all the nations of the Earth aligning against Israel. This would certainly seem to count. Recall it doesn’t turn out so well for those nations. Phraseology such as “bitter cup” comes to mind. Gee, wonder where I read that? /sarc


12 posted on 09/19/2009 7:36:04 PM PDT by piytar (Bussing in SEIU brownshirts to intimidate regular Americans is REAL FASCISM! NRA Lifetime Member)
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To: dfwgator

Yup, that’s a though millions are having right now. Must be some German blood in those veins or something./sarc


13 posted on 09/19/2009 7:47:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Brzezinski preferred the Polish Communists when they were running most of the remaining Jews out of the country back in 1968.


14 posted on 09/19/2009 7:51:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Minus_The_Bear
I've listened to them enough but you'd really have to stretch what they've said to think of it as anti-semitic.

Frankly, there are people who would accuse the daughter of being an anti-semite for defending her father.

Obama's already taken more anti-semitic acts than any previous President, and it's the ACTS that count far more than mere WORDS, particularly words you have to parse 6 ways from Sunday to turn into unambiguous antisemitic statements.

Best to keep the eye on the real enemy, and not the shadows.

I want you to notice something very important. The Obama/Emanuel ensemble has already brought Democrat members of Congress who are of Polish descent to join him in betraying Poland "one more time" to the Russians, He's also brought Democrat members of Congress who are of European Jewish descent to join him in betrahing Israel.

You see the problem?

15 posted on 09/19/2009 7:52:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

The problem I have is “who bought who”?


16 posted on 09/19/2009 7:55:32 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: Free ThinkerNY

17 posted on 09/19/2009 7:58:39 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Safrguns

Realistically there is zero chance US pilots would fly against Israel. If they did, though, good as the Israelis are, they have no answer to F-22’s.

Oh, that’s right, zero cut those, too. Nevermind.


18 posted on 09/19/2009 8:01:02 PM PDT by piytar (Bussing in SEIU brownshirts to intimidate regular Americans is REAL FASCISM! NRA Lifetime Member)
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To: muawiyah

Please clarify your point more. I am having a difficult time with the connections. thanks.


19 posted on 09/19/2009 8:04:48 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for Israel! And Georgia ! And the Iranian people! and Honduras!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I think it’s pretty beyond question that Zbigniew Brzezinski and his comrades in the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), do not have the interests of the United States in mind. What they want the world to become is little different than what SPECTRE would want.

“CSIS provides strategic insights and policy solutions to decision makers in government, international institutions, the private sector, and civil society.”

And invariably, these “strategic insights and policy solutions” call for the diminishing of American power, embracing international governance, and seek to erode the rights and well-being of American citizens.

Other members of CSIS include: Henry Kissinger, William Cohen—turncoat ex-Republican, Madeleine Albright, Richard Armitage, Richard Mellon Scaife, and Harold Brown—draft dodging Carter SecDef.

I would trust the foreign policy advice of a guy named Bubba who was a truck engine mechanic a LOT more than I would trust any of these dubious characters.


20 posted on 09/19/2009 8:10:10 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; BP2; ...
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21 posted on 09/19/2009 8:11:15 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
The earlier poster indicated that Joe Scarborough and Mika Brizinski have both made anti-semitic statements on the air. I haven't heard them do so.

With respect to Mika, she would defend her father Zbigniew, and that should not be construed as anti-semitism.

Capice?

22 posted on 09/19/2009 8:11:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dfwgator
Also Bryz and Carter drove out the Shah of Iran and put Khomeini in charge of Iran. These clowns help give birth to modern Islamic terrorism !
I often wondered about Z Bryz and his real involvement with
Iran and the Russians !
23 posted on 09/19/2009 8:17:05 PM PDT by ncalburt (Read all about)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

HIDEOUS DEMONIZED BUSTARD TRAITOR.

Lord, God, please brin him to repentance, move him to an old folks home for alzheimer’s or otherwise take him out of the equation according to your wisdom and justice, Lord.

Amen.


24 posted on 09/19/2009 8:18:01 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: ilgipper

Brezinski’s always been an @ss.


25 posted on 09/19/2009 8:22:32 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: muawiyah
Wrong. I said both Brizinski and his daughter have made anti-Jewish statements.

Please do not twist my statements. Also excusing or apologizing for anti-Semitism just because some one is your father is not OK.
26 posted on 09/19/2009 8:23:24 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Thud

So Z-idiot wants to give Israel every incentive to use nuclear tipped ballistic missiles rather than aircraft delivered conventional weapons to destroy Iran’s nuclear program?

Only a Democrat could be that stupid. Democrats are the only Americans unable to accept the existence of evil or the necessity of winning in war.

The Democrats always think military policy is merely a variant of domestic policy - either pork-barrel spending or armed social work among ungrateful foreigners. Every problem looks like a nail if your only tool is a hammer.

Israel had 15 years of the Oslo Accord’s suicide terrorism to burn that kind of stupidity out of them.

Now we shall see if Democrats can deal with the reality they are spawning.


27 posted on 09/19/2009 8:23:53 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: Electric Graffiti

History has not been kind to those who have sided against Israel.


28 posted on 09/19/2009 8:28:46 PM PDT by zeebee
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To: Free ThinkerNY

WTF? That would not turn out well for anyone involved.


29 posted on 09/19/2009 8:31:09 PM PDT by csvset
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To: Free ThinkerNY
INCREDIBLE !!!

30 posted on 09/19/2009 8:38:54 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
So we will go to war with Israel?

Did Ziggy forget they are a nuclear power also?

31 posted on 09/19/2009 8:54:12 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
MENE MENE TEKEL UPARSIN !!!



GENESIS 12 , 2,3
Those who bless Israel, God will bless, those who curse Israel, God will curse.
God will Curse those who harm and do Israel ill will.


GOD BLESS ISRAEL AND PROTECT HER !!!!

Why does Obama think he can come against the GOD of Israel and expect to win ?
32 posted on 09/19/2009 9:02:22 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The GOD of ISRAEL will have the last say in this dog fight.
It must really be a between a rock and a hard place to be those American pilots who know in their hearts that this is wrong, but, have to obey orders.
33 posted on 09/19/2009 9:10:55 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Quix
RealClearPolitics/Obama the first Jewish President ?
Consider the Arab connections, and the black theology groups that believe that the blacks are the " TRUE JEWS "

Wikipedia Abomination of Desolation
Obama at the Western Wall in Jerusalem

Obama's Campaign people putting up signs at Western Wall
Son of Lawlessness/i.e.Son of perdition
34 posted on 09/19/2009 9:27:44 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: zeebee

MENE ! MENE ! TEKEL ! UPHARSIN !!


35 posted on 09/19/2009 9:29:51 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Thanks thanks.

Hideous.


36 posted on 09/19/2009 9:38:52 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Cheers!

37 posted on 09/19/2009 9:39:55 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

He always was an anti-American swine (much like his boss).


38 posted on 09/19/2009 9:42:30 PM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
BLOW YE TRUMPET IN ZION !!!
SOUND A ALARM IN GOD'S HOLY MOUNTAIN !!!
39 posted on 09/19/2009 9:43:28 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

ZB is a Polish joke.


40 posted on 09/19/2009 10:02:39 PM PDT by pankot
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To: Truth29

The military would most likely not obey it.


41 posted on 09/19/2009 10:16:34 PM PDT by yankeebulldog ("Semper Viper!")
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To: American Constitutionalist

Its been discussed by USAF pilots, I’ve been there while its been brought up. We’re not stupid, we do carry live air to air missiles even though its a Close Air Support mission, and we’re between the two countries in question.

You don’t have to obey unlawful orders, and you have a personal obligation to use your judgment before using lethal force. I couldn’t and wouldn’t do it, and neither would 90% plus of the guys who I’ve talked about it with in a little 15x30’ trailer in Iraq. That trailer was called the alert shack, and that’s where the defenders would launch from. It’s going to go badly for all involved if Obama gives such an order. It will crack the military officer corps to its soul, and turn officer against officer.

Now that I think about it, maybe he will give that order.


42 posted on 09/19/2009 10:25:18 PM PDT by yankeebulldog ("Semper Viper!")
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To: LucyT; Free ThinkerNY; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FARS; Grampa Dave; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; ...
I have frequently reminded us that Zbigniew Brzezinski and Robert Gates coauthored the 2004 Council on Foreign Relations paper Iran: Time for a New Approach calling for negotiations with the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Obama pursues Ahmadinejad, despite repeated rebuffs; despite the latter's murder of protestors and pursuit of a nuclear bomb.

Brzezinski merely expresses the anti-Jew agenda of Obama.

Michelle brags she "grew up in Jesse Jackson's house" and it was Jesse Jackson who boasted "Zionists will no longer be in the driver's seat".

No, Jesse, Obama and Brzezinski want them under the bus.


43 posted on 09/20/2009 12:24:15 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: PhilDragoo

“Brzezinski merely expresses the anti-Jew agenda of Obama.”

Yessir...that he does.

“No, Jesse, Obama and Brzezinski want them under the bus.”

Yep!


44 posted on 09/20/2009 12:28:35 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("This is a revolution, dammit! We're going to have to offend somebody!")
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To: piytar
Besides, there ain't no F-22’s in Iraq.

It would be F-15 against F-15, but I think we would have a bunch of Pilots refusing the order given by the Poseur.

We are living in amazing times.

I hope all the Jews who voted for the One choke on their ridiculous decision to help him attempt to destroy the State of Israel.

They don't believe in Hell, they just helped to create it here on Earth.

45 posted on 09/20/2009 12:33:10 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Conservatives THINK people are smart. Liberals KNOW people are stupid.)
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To: American Constitutionalist; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 4woodenboats; ...

Because he believes he has the false god idol Allah and ATHEIST Karl Marx who denies God exists, to knock the “God of Israel” into a tailspin /sarc - after all who can stand up to this evil duo, right? Wrong, but so is every policy, without exception, the Zero Joker has in mind to put into efffect.

None of it good for America as we know it but great to destroy us so he can then mold the pieces into his graven image.


46 posted on 09/20/2009 2:28:08 AM PDT by FARS ( Be happy, Be well)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Brzesinsky, Carter and Vance were the idiots who gave us the current islamist regime in Iran. They should have been tried for treason.


47 posted on 09/20/2009 2:32:32 AM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Obama, like Bush is not going to grant Israel fly over rights.


48 posted on 09/20/2009 2:34:33 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: FARS

The personification of evil.

49 posted on 09/20/2009 3:14:21 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never "free")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Brezinski reminds me of Robt. McNamara.
Speaks very authoritatively, as if he has the answer.
(I’m old enough to recall McNamara during the Viet Nam era)
But, is full of sh!t.


50 posted on 09/20/2009 3:42:39 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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