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Brezinski Calls for Obama to Shoot Down Israeli Jets; "A Liberty in Reverse"
weeklystandard.com ^ | Sept. 19, 2009 | Michael Goldfarb

Posted on 09/19/2009 7:19:55 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

In a little noticed interview with the Daily Beast (presumably little noticed because serious people don't read the Daily Beast), Zbigniew Brzezinski suggests that Barack Obama do more than just refuse to support an Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear sites -- the American president must give the order to shoot down Israeli aircraft as they cross Iraqi airspace:

DB: How aggressive can Obama be in insisting to the Israelis that a military strike might be in America’s worst interest?

Brzezinski: We are not exactly impotent little babies. They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?

DB: What if they fly over anyway?

Brzezinski: Well, we have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse.

Contrary to Brezinski's half-hearted disclaimer that no one wishes for such an outcome, there are plenty on the left who would delight in a pitched battle between the United States and Israel. Democrats in Congress routinely support resolutions affirming Israel's right to take whatever steps it deems necessary to assure its own national defense. And Obama has at least paid lip service to the concept. But hostility to Israel among the rank and file is very real on the left -- and among "realists."

So conjure the image -- the Obama administration sending U.S. aircraft up to protect Iran's airspace and it's nuclear installations from an attack by a democracy that is one of America's closest allies. Unfortunately, this may not be so hard to imagine in Israel, where the number of people who believe Obama is pro-Israel is at just 4 percent -- and falling. And given Obama's (literally) submissive posture to the Saudis, his indulgence of the Iranians, and his simultaneously hard-line approach to Israel, it seems even some of Obama's supporters can savor the possibility of a "reverse Liberty."


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: airstrikes; bhomiddleeast; brzezinski; iaf; israel; libertyinreverse; mhmmdnsm09192009; ussliberty; zbigniew; zbigniewbrzezinski
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To: yankeebulldog
The military would most likely not obey it.

I'll give you even money. I've been predicting this since the election was final. We have switched sides in all the world's conflicts. Some are harder to turn than others. Watch Afghanistan grind down and withdrawals begin soon, with Taliban biting our heels on the way out. Obama will need those troops - to guard against you and me.
51 posted on 09/20/2009 3:46:07 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That would be an historic (eternal) mistake on the part of the US.

Brezinski was a clown the first time around. He’s no smarter now. Wasn’t he Carter’s brain trust???

IF so, then his Iran policy was real effective wasn’t it?....him and Amy Carter, defense Secty, had it all figured out. 444 Days ended by Ronald Reagan.


52 posted on 09/20/2009 3:52:20 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: yankeebulldog

Communists and aspiring dictators fear and hate militaries and will do what they can to destabilize them until they can get firm control. The old Soviet government kept a huge separate contingent of compliance troops attached to their regular units, commissars and political officers etc, because of residual fear of the military that never went away.


53 posted on 09/20/2009 4:03:23 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di tray hoi den La Vang)
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To: ncalburt
They along with Stansfield Turner neutered the CIA.
54 posted on 09/20/2009 4:13:38 AM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: wendy1946

That assumes that the secular cultural Jewish in America care about Israel. That is a big assumption.


55 posted on 09/20/2009 5:01:14 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: muawiyah

Capice...


56 posted on 09/20/2009 5:11:47 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for Israel! And Georgia ! And the Iranian people! and Honduras!)
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To: grey_whiskers

That is a great cartoon and sums it up.


57 posted on 09/20/2009 5:15:07 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for Israel! And Georgia ! And the Iranian people! and Honduras!)
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To: yankeebulldog

this is getting really scairy...Its becomming a very very bad movie.


58 posted on 09/20/2009 5:16:23 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for Israel! And Georgia ! And the Iranian people! and Honduras!)
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To: Kickass Conservative

I spoke to a friend, a 90 year old American Jew who said, in the middle of a general conversation, “You know I saw a beautiful picture the other day, it was just a lovely picture of Obama.”

Needless to say I didn’t say much to that as its tough to change the mind of a 90 year old who has voted Dem all her life. the irony is she has always been so against anti-semitism and pointed it out all the time and is extremely proud of her Jewish heritage.
This is the mindset of American Jews. And if Israel gets attacked because of Obozo’s ineptitude or deliberateness, they will say it was the republican’s fault somehow.


59 posted on 09/20/2009 5:22:14 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for Israel! And Georgia ! And the Iranian people! and Honduras!)
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To: yankeebulldog

This is an Open Forum!! Be very careful as to what you post!!


60 posted on 09/20/2009 5:24:53 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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61 posted on 09/20/2009 5:27:13 AM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What ridiculous conjecture that such an order would be given.


62 posted on 09/20/2009 5:30:04 AM PDT by verity
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To: dfwgator

This is coming from a poster who is of part Polish heritage, but AMERICAN first, what I have read is SHAMEFUL and EMBARESHING.

Off-topic, I just want to say the Gators did a great job yesterday in beating the Volunteers.


63 posted on 09/20/2009 5:39:56 AM PDT by Biggirl (Called To Be Patriots!:)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: ThanhPhero; All; Chieftain

You are right.

Hey, everyone....
If you want to read some beautiful writing and read soemthing touching go to ThanPhero’s screen page.

I went there cause he seemed to really have an understanding of history.


64 posted on 09/20/2009 5:40:41 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for Israel! And Georgia ! And the Iranian people! and Honduras!)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
You'd best REWRITE what you said. You had three people in the paragraph ~ Zbig, his daughter Mika and Joe. You'd just mentioned Mika and Joe, so the sentence where you said "they" really has to point to them and not Mike and Zbig.

Ergo, it was reasonable to assume the "they" you referred to were Mika and Joe, not Zbig and Mika.

The confusion would occur with French, German, Hebrew, Arabic, English or Chinese ~ it's the old "clarity" buggaboo.

Now, concerning a daughter coming to the defense of her father, I think we need to refer to some other sources:

"Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee," Exodus 20:12. "Honor thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee," Deuteronomy 5:16. "Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father . . . ," Leviticus 19:3. "Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honor thy father and thy mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord," Ephesians 6:1-4. "Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord. Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged," Colossians 3:20-21. "My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother," Proverbs 1:8. "A wise son maketh a glad father: but a foolish man despiseth his mother," Proverbs 15:20. "Children�s children are the crown of old men; and the glory of children are their fathers," and, "A foolish son is a grief to his father, and bitterness to her that bare him," Proverbs 17:6, 25. "A foolish son is the calamity of his father," and, "He that wasteth his father, and chaseth away his mother, is a son that causeth shame, and bringeth reproach," Proverbs 19:13, 26. "Hearken unto thy father that begat thee, and despise not thy mother when she is old," Proverbs 23:22. "Correct thy son, and he shall give thee rest; yea, he shall give delight unto thy soul," Proverbs 29:17. "For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth," Hebrews 12:6.

Can't think of any others at the moment, but if she errs in doing so, I think you'd best take the problem to a Higher Authority.

65 posted on 09/20/2009 5:43:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: yankeebulldog

Remember that the military in this country is to first and formost protect and defend the Consitution.


66 posted on 09/20/2009 5:48:35 AM PDT by Biggirl (Called To Be Patriots!:)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Truth29
This would be one of those orders that Obama had better consider carefully

This would be a Zelaya moment for the -9bama*.

* - Ras has already been posted

67 posted on 09/20/2009 6:03:31 AM PDT by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And his daughter is now on with Joe Scarboro on what is vying to be the worst talk show billed as conservative that isn’t.


68 posted on 09/20/2009 6:10:18 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: wendy1946

Perhaps not. There are Jews who are leftists. That ideology supercedes being Jewish.


69 posted on 09/20/2009 6:52:28 AM PDT by SkipW
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To: piytar

RE US pilots not flying against Israel. Do you mean the US pilots would refuse to obey the order, or their commanders would not give the order? Please explain.


70 posted on 09/20/2009 6:57:48 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Zbigniew Brzezinski "shoot down Israeli aircraft as they cross Iraqi airspace":

This is the Zbigniew Brzezinski we have all come to know.

Thirty years ago when he was a Columbia University,
the students disagreed with what he was stating,
Brzezinski wanted the students taken outside and shot.


71 posted on 09/20/2009 7:33:13 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Both. Gates wouldn’t allow the order to be given, and US pilots - most at least - would simple “fail to acquire lock” in the air if it was. (”They must have some new stealth technology, I could see them but just couldn’t get tone!”)


72 posted on 09/20/2009 7:45:00 AM PDT by piytar (Bussing in SEIU brownshirts to intimidate regular Americans is REAL FASCISM! NRA Lifetime Member)
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To: piytar

I hope you are right.


73 posted on 09/20/2009 8:08:59 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

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74 posted on 09/20/2009 8:18:54 AM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: FARS

Thanks for the ping!


75 posted on 09/20/2009 8:20:05 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

1. There is speculation that Zbig was O’s prof at Columbia.

Here’s the first search link that comes up...

http://www.rense.com/general80/s0pa.htm

2. There was a leak to the UK Times that the Saudis have authorized the Israelis to use their airspace to hit Iran thus avoiding violation of the sovereign Iraqi airspace.

Link:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6638568.ece


76 posted on 09/20/2009 8:31:24 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Scowcroft Kissinger and Brezinsky—dangerous dangerous terrible trio who just won't go away.

These are the guys who believe in selling our allies down the river for some illusionary grand game of chess-—that has led to an ascendancy of Islam abd a descendancy of this nation.

77 posted on 09/20/2009 8:38:32 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: Seizethecarp
1. There is speculation that Zbig was O’s prof at Columbia.

If 0bama released his transcripts, we would know.

If so, another Communist training 0bama.

Although I believe he is really Frank Marshall Davis Jr.


78 posted on 09/20/2009 8:52:11 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

I figure the pilots would go up, following the order to the letter, but somehow... just not be able to find the Israeli jets.

Or that their targeting systems developed a malfunction... or that the clamps wouldn’t release the missiles, or something.


79 posted on 09/20/2009 11:43:59 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: trumandogz

I believe that they will use missiles and not planes for any strike on Iran..


80 posted on 09/20/2009 11:56:54 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

I post what I post keeping in mind what is classified and what is not. I would never divulge classified info. I do appreciate your concern, but I and many other officers feel we’re rapidly reaching a tipping point and the time for standing by and staying quiet while it sorts out has passed. I stand by my words and will take the consequences. The majority of my brother and sister officers feel the same.


81 posted on 09/20/2009 2:20:44 PM PDT by yankeebulldog ("Semper Viper!")
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Zbig' Boy'll be next under the wheels of the Obama nonstop. Too bad it will only be figuratively. Thanks FARS. Obama is trying to destroy the United States of America. odds 'n' ends:
82 posted on 09/20/2009 2:30:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: muawiyah; Free ThinkerNY; All
I agree: I've never heard either Joe Scarborough or Mika Brzezinski make any anti-semitic statements on the air.

Separately, I've always questioned Scarborough's bona fides as a conservative for his teaming up with her on a left-wing TV outlet.

83 posted on 09/20/2009 2:45:12 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Free ThinkerNY; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; ncfool; dalight; rmlew; F15Eagle; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
Contrary to Brzezinski, Israel does not have to fly over Iraqi airspace to bomb Iran's nuclear installations. I recall seeing a map a while back showing several possible alternative Israeli air routes for such a mission.

The mere fact the Brzezinski would even conjure up the thought of the US attacking Israel indicates how demented and biased he is.

84 posted on 09/20/2009 3:07:39 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; Just A Nobody; smoothsailing; RedRover; GitmoSailor; ...

Ping!!!


85 posted on 09/20/2009 3:23:25 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

The mere fact the Brzezinski would even conjure up the thought of the US attacking Israel indicates how demented and biased he is.

#############

I agree with you here. I also believe that if Obumbo’s upside down admin even lifts so much as a finger to harm Israelis, it will be the last finger they lift...as far as the American people are concerned.


86 posted on 09/20/2009 3:35:08 PM PDT by Atom Smasher
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To: justiceseeker93
The mere fact the Brzezinski would even conjure up the thought of the US attacking Israel indicates how demented and biased he is.

He's hoping against hope for Israel's demise. Not only doesn't Israel have to fly over Iraq, under the status of forces agreement Iraq has to request our help, Iraqi airspace is Iraqi airspace, not American.

87 posted on 09/20/2009 4:30:49 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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Zbigniew Brzezinski, various keywords, duplicates removed, chrono sort:
88 posted on 09/20/2009 6:40:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

The Mel Gibson defense?


89 posted on 09/20/2009 6:44:43 PM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: justiceseeker93
Contrary to Brzezinski, Israel does not have to fly over Iraqi airspace to bomb Iran's nuclear installations. I recall seeing a map a while back showing several possible alternative Israeli air routes for such a mission.

You did. I posted the maps myself after a terrain/defensive analysis. Here was one of my more provocative ones, utilizing Israel's fast-growing alliance with India...


90 posted on 09/20/2009 8:09:09 PM PDT by montag813 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. -George Orwell)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Isn’t his son and advisor?


91 posted on 09/20/2009 8:33:56 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks for the ping!


92 posted on 09/20/2009 9:06:44 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I can see why Dhimmi Jimmuh had Brezinski on his team back when. He’s as anti-Israel as Jimmuh. What a putz!


93 posted on 09/21/2009 4:09:35 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Yaelle

“I’d like to think that Emanuel would have enough love for Israel somewhere deep in his chest cavity to keep such a thing from ever happening.”

Nonsense. He is motivated by hatred of his father, and thus Israel.


94 posted on 09/21/2009 7:40:46 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: yankeebulldog

“The military would most likely not obey it.”

I am a former IAF personnel, and know many USA pilots. Good friends.

This has been a matter of discussion.

I suspect, when it comes down to it, your pilots will reluctantly follow orders, and we will reluctantly kill each other.


95 posted on 09/21/2009 7:43:40 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: justiceseeker93

There are other routes, but they are long, hard, and troublesome.

A fly-over via Iraq would be much, much easier.


96 posted on 09/21/2009 7:45:22 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
Nonsense. He is motivated by hatred of his father, and thus Israel.

How mature of the ballerina. I don't know his whole story but he is a lousy example of a Jew. I wish we could excommunicate him!

97 posted on 09/21/2009 3:43:02 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: justiceseeker93

As Tony would say, Brzezinski is a blood-sucker.


98 posted on 09/22/2009 3:27:31 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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