Posted on 11/17/2009 11:29:10 AM PST by Candor7
We need an observation network of Jihadi Training Camps in the USA. Our government has now classified terrorist acts as crimes. That invokes the right of citizen self defence agaist crimes. To defend ourselves we need information on threat, which our government, including Homeland Security, no longer provides to the people.
We need to do that ourselves.
A Congressional Hearing into the Issue has been derailed.
We need to organize.
Seeking Freepers in these locations who are interested in providing information:
Jamaat ul-Fuqra camps
(Also known as Muslims of America and Quranic Open University)
1. Deposit, NY
2. Hancock, NY (National Headquarters)
3. Springfield, MA
4. Philadelphia, PA
5. Hyattsville, MD
6. Fairfax, VA
7. Bethany, WV
8. Red House, VA
9. Meherrin, VA
10. Dover, TN
11. York, SC
12. Commerce, GA
13. Jessup, GA
14. Marion, AL
15. Houston, TX
16. Talihina, OK
17. Coldwater, MI
18. Buena Vista, CO (Raided and shut down by Colorado authorities in 1992)
19. Baladullah, CA (Leader convicted of scamming state out of $1.3 million in 2006. Compound now abandoned.)
20. Oak Hill, CA
21. Onalaska, WA
Then we can set up a Intel/Early warning thread here on FR.
This is not a comprehensive list, its only partial, and it will grow.Many of these training camps are located near US military bases.The thread will show this should you care to browse through it.
We can help prevent another Fort Hood, prevent future assassinations, and prevent the evolution of suicide bombers in America.
Bridget Gabriel’s group ACT is a good source too.
If you are interested in joining and getting organized, lets see what we can do to establish an Observation net of known Jihadi Training Camps in the USA.
Add me to your ping list.
I’m positive we have activity here in Oregon.
You do. Most of it is centered around Portland. Highly active area. Look up Patrice Lamumba Ford in conjunction with the DC sniper.
They ran a limo service in and around Portland among other things. That was some years ago, but the activities surrounding them has not ceased.
>>We can help prevent another Fort Hood, prevent future assassinations, and prevent the evolution of suicide bombers in America.<<
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Dream on — the only way you can prevent future acts of muslim terrorism is to deport them all. Watching cancer cells and not removing them will still get you killed.
Lets get this thread rolling and see if we can get FRobservers and FReporters.
You know..., that sounds like a good idea, but I don't know how many FReepers could be observers and reporters in these camps without standing out like a sore thumb... LOL...
I mean, I'd love to, but I would be "outed" in about five seconds... :-)
I don't look like them, I don't dress like them and I don't even know their special "lingo"...
This sounds like an undercover operation with those who can speak like them, look like them and can infiltrate the area without being detected.
If you’re making a ping list, put me on it.
What exactly did you have in mind that we do? I have to agree with Star Traveler (Post #7) — not sure what good I would be to the cause!
Dream on — the only way you can prevent future acts of muslim terrorism is to deport them all. Watching cancer cells and not removing them will still get you killed.
That's exactly right. That's the only way to do it, if people could ever muster up the will to do it -- which I seriously doubt.
Most of these guys are American and black. Most were recruited from prisons here in the US.
I wouldn’t advise ANY civilian to go snoooping around these camps on their own, but there are people in the surrounding communities who see and hear things. That is what we need to know and who we need to hear from.
These guys have blazed foot trails in surrounding wooded areas and areas that have been previously stripmined. People disappear, never to be seen again.
ANYONE who attempts to get too close to these camps needs to know beyond any shadow of ANY doubt that their lives are in extreme danger.
This is not a game, folks. It’s for real and these guys take NO prisoners.
ANYONE who attempts to get too close to these camps needs to know beyond any shadow of ANY doubt that their lives are in extreme danger. This is not a game, folks. It’s for real and these guys take NO prisoners.
I would suspect what you say is exactly right. It's not something that you want to do (i.e., "work undercover") unless you're ready to get "whacked" in the middle of the night and no one find you again.
Then again, if "undercover work" that is dangerous and deadly is your thing (i.e., any reader), then by all means -- go for it...
The FBI, DHS and other agencies are very likely to be watching these people too. Some of the people who appear to be terrorists may be undercover agents. Add into that mix hate crimes laws, PC politics and PC Marxists now in control of a good deal of our government.
Whatever actions you might consider taking should take those things into account. I think the possibilities there are self-evident so I won't try to outline them. Just be careful, be mindful and stay safe.
They can be observed without infiltration, but as MestaMachine pointed out, even that could be very dangerous for the average civilian.
The FBI, DHS and other agencies are very likely to be watching these people too.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Well, we might hope that is true, but as you know, that may of may not be the case. Today it is possible for POTUS to pass an executive order exempting any given location from DHS and FBI observation, and we would not know about it.
From Fort Hood we know that those who knew of risk decided not to report it, so no warning happened. If this dymamic is alive in our military command structure, what is that dynamic doing inside DHS and the FBI? It would be likely even more pronounced.
I am not advocating intervention here , but strictly observation, ears to the ground and attention to local news, reports or direct evidence of unusual vehicular movement, or large purchases of material.
All that likely happens now sporadically, but the information needs to be put in one place and tabulated accurately. The press no longer covers incidents so that we know them nationally, they only appear locally.
I know exactly what you are saying and I agree. This is merely passive intel work.And a way to broadcast concerns should they be warranted. This also will assist the federal agencies that might be involved, by making it necessary for them to protect the public before we have to move to protect ourselves, as is the right of every American concerning the commission of any felony crime, which the government now says terrorism is.
Hopefully this might evolve to be a reasonable,national neighborhood watch.
What you think as to how this works is not that important. What is important is that we have a net work that reports news, or other information. This does not necessarily mean on site observaton.
And for thse who think its too risky, they need not be involved. The costs of not organizing will be huge in life and injury in the future.
We have here a sort of network we lovingly call the Mountain Telegraph. Most of us are pretty secluded and can’t see our nearest neighbor, BUT, if anything moves funny, any stranger comes off the main road, moves anywhere near or on any of our properties, all the rest of us know it within a matter of minutes and whoa nellie bar the door because you are SOOO busted.
I think maybe a system like that to monitor the comings and goings, what groceries or other things they buy for changes in habits, listening for weapons fire or explosions, (because they train with these things and have been heard,) and whatever little details you can grab overhearing conversations, stray words in shops or stores. Sometimes gossip is gossip, but sometimes, you can make a fault into a virtue. This is one way of doing just that.
Bear in mind that these guys are training for guerilla warfare. They practice stealth. They might have caches in strategic places.
ALSO bear in mind that we aren’t the ONLY ones who can disappear. That’s a fact.
Due to many of the things you pointed out the mere reporting of information to the FedGov has inherent risks. Hasan's colleagues were Army officers and they apparently had concerns along those lines.
ping to #18, I think?
Just reprt local news or informmation. There are no specific guidelines yet.
And if you do not agree, you do not participate. Thats very clear , we do not want people involved in doing this who are not committed to doing it.
Its basically forming a locally based reporting and observation network. Strictly passive work that we Freepers do every day.
So, do you think any of these guys would dare report a missing person/s?
Just curious is all.
well, heck, I can just keep track of the family I can see out my back window.......
Now, satisfy my curiosity. Do you think the cautions I gave are baseless?
No, your cautions are not baseless. PC and muslims in these agencies are an inherant danger. To be honest, anything suspicious and I would rather report it to my local sheriff than a fed agency.
1. because sheriffs have a lot more power than people realize, and 2. most people tend to know their sheriff.
I left my former job out of fear for my own life...and don’t ask.
No one needs to report to them, they will be reading what we say without that necessity. And we need to be accurate and as professional as possible about it.
Mestamachine has it right, its about keeping in touch with the various aspects he mentioned in his post at #18.
Word on the street, and none of our agencies have the dedicated manpower to get that kind of wide ranging information. In that way we can actually be a resource
they can use in confirming what they might be seeing, or even in taking a closer look.We should not be reporting to them. Doing that may also put them in a difficult position, as well as anyone of us who does so.A reprt might beneeded, but that is an indovidual matter. It should have little to do with us.
Your input is invaluable. Your experience and knowledge is exactly what establishing such a passive information net
needs. This is because there are necessary guidelines on the type of information we need. Local news articles are one. Ot it might be that a Muslim logging operation purchases dynamite for stump removal on their bases. It might be that all the children who live in these training camps have disappeared from school altogether.This is what we need but you would have a much more accurate list of types of needed information than I could possibly imagine.
That sounds like good advice to me.
OK.
Hey, darlin’. You can call me Mesta.
Seriously though, all frivolity aside, eyes and ears and a running archive is an excellent idea. It also wouldn’t hurt to have alerts for areas where activity is on an uptick. There are Freepers in every state. I have been trying to get someone to organize something like this for months through other channels.
People do not realize the extent of the danger we are in, and it is not limited to al fuqra. The mosque and islamic center in the wahhabi corridor is saudi as are many others across the country. The shia have theirs as well, financed by Iran.
We need to document them ALL in one place. If Jim Rob has no objection, this is a great place to get it down and get it on.
I agree. It needs doing. The risk is very high. America will wake up some morning to widespread mayhem, killings and bombings. There is not enough security manpower that can be focused quickly to prevent it.Especially because those local security facilities will be the first to be targeted by the jihadis, and we will be on our own.
We need a way to be warned. Its stupid not to have it in place.One light by sea , two by land!
I've been to Onalaska dozens of times...my father with 30 acres there.
If there's a Jihadi training camp there it's the best kept secret in US History.
It's as red neck and white as any place on the planet.
I don't buy it.
For SC FReepers here’s a birds eye view someone had from 2005. Down the road is Islamville Way. Looks like they have quite a bit of land and buildings here. Interesting.
Thanks we are working to set up an observation net. Every
bit of information helps, and we will make a list and hope that freepers sign it to provide local information.
This is one of my biggest fears, Glen Beck, The Perfect Day.
They’re training for it.
“We are justified at killing 4 million Americans, 2 million children.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G3ALR8ckGM
I see that pn full szoom there are many buildings off Isam way. One looks like a shooting range, and there are many larger buildings out in the trees past the end of Islam way. Its a multi million dollar complex.
This is the kind of info we need on each location. Thanks!
What is the exact town where this is located?
I see that pn full szoom there are many buildings off Isam way. One looks like a shooting range, and there are many larger buildings out in the trees past the end of Islam way. Its a multi million dollar complex.
This is the kind of info we need on each location. Thanks!
What is the exact town where this is located?
Please check with your dad.
They are there. One of the things they do is build a series of underground bunkers and tunnels that can’t be seen even if you are looking straight at them. All you might see is a trailer, or a cabin, maybe even a nice peaceful looking house. Also, in that particular area and in Seattle, they have made pacts with white supremacists, so lily white ain’t all it appears to be sometimes.
Just sayin’.
Bump Dat...
There's one bar, a video store, grocery store, gas station and pizza parlor.
Only Caucasians live there...with a few hispanic "immigrants".
There are no black people in Onalaska WA...no Arabs either. None. Zilch.
Looks like York, SC. I’ll have to do some semi-local lookie loo.
I see . So I guess we cross that one of the list then?
Ok, we just forget it, and thats it.
Thak you very much.
I will take your word for it. It might be possible that once the hammat was discovered and a spotlight was shined on it, they decided to abandon those plans. I would ask you to check in other areas close by.
The last real report on this particular hammat was in June of this year.
Also, terrorists coming in through both the southern border and via Canada have been easily passing for hispanic immigrants. They adopt hispanic names and speak Spanish fluently. Don’t know if that’s the case where you are, but it’s a possiblity.
Both hamas and hezbullah operate freely south of the border, and more recently, al qaeda has joined the mix. LaRaza/aka MEChA, has particularly close ties with the muslim brotherhood and the plo.
Training camps are in full operation down there.
Further south, Central and South America, they operate with autonomy and support from the marxists in several countries there.
The problem is growing exponentially.
This is really serious as you say. The trainig camps will have access to secret intel, but we as citizens will not know anything. Also false information will be inputted into the security infrastructure, making it useless.
So as you see, we need our own net. And it needs to be pretty loose and general at first. But it could save a
lot of lives, and allow us to prevent them from seizing large amounts of territory temporarily, and starting a guerilla war.
The camps next to military bases are a real problem. If there are already jihadis in the military, it may be possible for the camp jihadis to obtain military ordnance for use against civilians by raiding and then taking the ordnance into secret prepared locations, in order to initiate guerilla warfare.
The jihadis will attack police stations, and military installations first.They also will take group hostages in various towns, and that will keep from being immediately apprehended by authorities.Many of the hostages will be children, perhaps a whole school in some cases.
Soon we will have no security apparatus that makes sense. I do not believe that the Muslims who are now in security offices, as invited, will sell out their jihadi brothers.
One wonders why they have not invited Buddhists, Anglicans, Mormans, Roman Catholics and Episcopalians as well?
Yes Tiger, this is very bad news.
Thanks, let us know what you come up with.
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One wonders why they have not invited Buddhists, Anglicans, Mormans, Roman Catholics and Episcopalians as well?
Can't be trusted?
bkmark
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