Posted on 12/11/2009 8:50:14 PM PST by Phileleutherus Franciscus
What is best for the "country"....hmmmmmm the democrat vision of a socialist country or the free country and belief in God, envisioned by our founders?
As far as opi go, I have to give kudos for this being one of the better ones. But I still don’t get the opus thing. If I ever feel the need to leave this or any other site I would simply leave.
“Darwinists are so deluded about why theyve gotten the axe.”
Why do you think they are “getting the axe”?
“Nobody pings them to it and yet they find them, swarm them, and ridicule and mock everything anyone else believes and stands for.”
Are you the one who gets to decide what threads people get to post to? Why does it bother you, for instance, when I come to a thread and rail on “creation science”?
What do they mean when it is said conspiratorially, "They find the threads" --- far as I can tell, the google bots make EVERY single FR posting available to the entire Internet within minutes of its being posted.
How can that comprise a conspiracy?????
“How can that comprise a conspiracy?????”
I don’t know. That’s why I asked. Metmom will give me a straight answer, that’s why I asked her.
And even BamKennedy loves to use that ‘scientific methodology’ laid out before him in establishing his system of health care.... But has the majority of TOE preachers and disciples taken note... that using ‘science’ he, god BamKennedy will deem it necessary to ‘peer’ review whether OLD American grandmas should be required to only get a ‘pill’ instead of a ‘procedure’.
TOE does not sit above the Heavenly Father in using taxpayers dollars to provide the so called science to pick and choose who is ‘fittest’ to survive. Most especially when the TOE would whither on that proverbial vine if it were to be left on its own to survive. First class of welfare recipients are the unsettled scientists.
That is NOT true.
Most creationists/IDers have a far better grasp of the ToE than evos care to admit,and from what I've seen of posters on both sides of the debate, is that there appears to be more in the non-evo camp with advanced degrees in science than there are evos. Many of the evos, by their own admission, have neither degrees nor job experience in a science related field. How that makes them qualified to pass judgment on non-evos for their comprehension of science is beyond me, but they do it anyway.
The evos biggest stumbling block is their total inability to comprehend that someone could consider the ToE and choose to not believe it.
They are so convinced of the truth of it, that they feel that if someone REALLY understood it, they'd be compelled to believe it. Hence, the accusations of ignorance and willful blindness.
Not the case.
Evos move the goalposts on scientific terms all the time. Even if you do a google search on terms like *species* you'll find that there is a lot of disagreement about what the classification really is.
No it's not, Ted. Try reading for comprehension.
I know outright atheists who claim not to believe in evolution, in other words, atheism is sufficiently stupid without subscribing to any other brain-dead doctrines...
You failed to post your bat, Ted. What's the matter?
“there appears to be more in the non-evo camp with advanced degrees in science than there are evos. “
Yet there is a stunning absence of actual science in the “creation science” camp.
Why do you think that is?
I don’t think you can support your claim that “non-evos” have more advanced degrees than “evos”.
And to wacka I say, that is the biggest bunch of tripe I’ve read in my life... just taking one point,
“Yet, under the protection of the owner of the site, these very few have had the audacity to instill their beliefs into the core of what was once a great conservative site”
The very beliefs that wacka points to are what define the heart of conservatism.
To wacka, goodbye. I Hope you find real hope.
GG
Who said anything about a conspiracy?
My comment in post 53 was this.....
“SO much easier to be the martyr, which doesnt wear well on a darwinist with the kind of obnoxious, troll like behavior they exhibit when a creationist thread is posted.
Nobody pings them to it and yet they find them, swarm them, and ridicule and mock everything anyone else believes and stands for.”
The point of the comment was that the evos complain about creationist threads being posted on FR and where they’re posted.
If they don’t like it or them, they don’t have to participate. Nobody is making them. Nobody pinged them to it to invite them over for debate, or to try to annoy them like they were taunting them with it.
They searched the threads out on their own, as anyone has the right to do. But to come on and stir the pot like so many do with their Christian and creationist bashing tirades and then complain about the lack of intellectual or scientific debate is beyond the pale.
The objection isn’t to them coming on the thread and discussing the thread. The objection is to coming on the thread and using it as an opportunity to Christian bash.
I’ve been here for years with no issues and I do not believe there is a god. I simply choose to not visit threads that revolve around a religious theme. It is pointless to debate the feasability of a religious belief with a follower of that belief.
I mean really... Think about what you were attempting to engage in... Not very smart on your part.
I’m here for the limited government part of all this and in those threads I almost exclusivly reside and should you decide to repeal your opus I recomend you do the same. No need to turn natural allies into enemies.
That's not what I said. What I said was....." that there appears to be more in the non-evo camp with advanced degrees in science than there are evos."
That is simply based on asking people and reading what some of them have posted about themselves.
Some of the most vocal in the evo camp, often ones who never really even discuss or support the science, but just bash, either admit to not having a science degree, or simply refuse to answer and disappear off the thread when asked.
There are plenty of us creationists/IDers who have degrees in science and/or have worked in scientific fields.
Pinging some creationists, some of whom I KNOW have advanced science degrees.
“Who said anything about a conspiracy?”
Not me.....
“The objection isnt to them coming on the thread and discussing the thread. The objection is to coming on the thread and using it as an opportunity to Christian bash.”
Ah, see, here is where there is the misunderstanding. I have repeatedly stated that I slam “creation science”, not the concept of creationism - yet it is very difficult to get anyone on the “creation science” side to admit there is a distinct delineation between the two concepts.
I think I know why, and that is that “creation science” has no standing in faith or science - but they try to use both as an excuse for their mediocrity.
Now here you seem to engage in the same practice. In a previous post you make a totally unsubstantiated claim that “evos” have fewer advanced degrees than “non evos” then here, you make the claim that criticism of the claimed “creation science” is an attack on Christianity.
I’ve always tried to live by the rule that someones faith honestly expressed is off-limits for undue criticism (not necessarily disagreement or discussion).
You and the profligate GGG do not seem comfortable with the separation of “creation science” from faith - because it leaves you naked and exposed in your ignorance of science - so when the “science” that is presented on the GGG threads is criticized (as it richly deserves to be), you attempt to hide behind faith - then try to equivalence belief in the research-backed theoretical concepts of evolution (and other sciences) to faith.
I said *SEEMS* to be.......
I do understand the issues that scientists have with *creation science* believe me or not, as you will.
That’s why I never touch those issues. Check my posting history.
[[Darwin Central has again declared war on FR.]]
Exactly- You shoudl see the nasty posts they have over there agaisnt members here- myself, GGG, editor-survey, metmom, and many others are cosntantly being maligned by the evos over there- and they come here and complain that FR is an ‘intolorant site’? Lol-
Say, isn’t compromising someone’s screen name frowned upon on FR?
[[I guess you missed the fact that the link I gave, wherein an “anti-evo” was the first to get snotty IN THE THREAD TITLE he started, actually *was* one of GGG’s gems... ]]
ooookay- I guess you missed the few hundred other threads that GGG posted where the evos were the first to fire off their nasdty little ad hominem attacks- per usual, you glom onto a scant few examples to make your case when the FACTS show that it has been the evos- over the past few years- who have ALWAYS started i nwith the nasty little comments about Creationists, ID proponents, and anyone who beleives God’s word
[[Think longer, post slower, and the quality of your posts will inevitably improve, CottShop]]
Keep feigning innocence when you next claim how it’s only the ‘Hard-core Christians’ who post insults- You sir have mastered the art of insulting others while playing hte poor victim and making it look like you’re the one who is unjustly being insulted
[[Sure, I can get snotty. I’m damned good at it, actually.]]
Gee- ya think?
[[But I try very hard not to a) be the first to cast the first snot (i.e. I strive to respond in kind as much as possible), and b) document and justify exactly *why* someone deserves the return fire I’m giving them after they’ve made the mistake of being the first one to get snotty when coming unarmed to a battle of wits.]]
A quick look back at your posts puts that silly claim to rest- Shall I dig up your posts and reveal here your pot shotting remarks that were NOT initiated by anyone firing the first salvo?
[[And while we’re at it, are you seriously going to point fingers at *me* for alleged violations of decorum, when your own posts are so frequently so vitriolic I feel as if I should wipe the flying spittle from my laptop screen after reading several of your posts? I mean, come on! ]]
Want a tissue? As I mentioned, a quick check of GGG’s threads will show that I ONLY come into threads AFTER the evos start in with their assinine petty ad hominems- and quite frankly, I have not been nearly as nasty as they are- So go cry on someone elses shoulder- again- We’re not buying into the liberal sob stories here
[[tell me what he *did* get zotted for then after ten years here.]]
It’s already been explained to you- As mentioned, there are several folks here on FR that have ‘dissagreed with ‘Hard Core Christians’ for many years, and they are still here- still welcome, and have never had any problems- IF you think pistolpete has simply been banned because ‘all he did was dissagree with ‘hard-core Christians’- then provide hte proof- that’s an accusatio nthat demands proof since you are attackign the integrity and name of FR
[[And gosh, what a coincidence, several other “evos” on those contentious threads were banned/suspended at the same time (wacka after six years here, IronKros after seven years here, Buck W. after nine years here, etc.). Nothing but a mere coincidence, is it CottShop?]]
Perhaps you wouldl ike a list of the childish petty and constant insults and nasty remarks made by these individuals over the past years? They’ve been warned many many times NOT to engage in these activities, but they ignored those warnings time and time again- they were not simple ‘dissagreements with ‘Hard-Core Christians’ either fella- they were engaged in constant harrassment of certain individuals here on FR- somethign that is called troll behavior, and somehtign that has been brewing for a long time here- MANY psoters have asked them to tone it down for al ong time now- but again- they were apparently hell-bent on playing hte martyre role and gettign themselves banned, and they got their wish, and now you’re apparently wantign people to have the impression that they were unjustly banned? Sorry- again- we’re not buying into such liberal sob stories
[[And yet... Can you name a single “anti-evo” who was zotted in this most recent purge, even though tempers on *both* sides flared and the “anti-evos” were hardly acting like angels?]]
Actually yeah- there were a few ‘anti-evos’ (whatever that is) who were for getting out of line- it isn’t just evos who are zotted for stepping over htel ine- so please, spare us the martyre claims
[[It appears that strongly arguing the “anti-evo” side is considered no vice, and strongly arguing the “evo” side is considered no virtue.]]
Here we go again- feigning innocence- NOONE got banned for simply ‘strongly arguing’ ANY side- folks get banned for constant and cocnerted harrassment utilizing trollish behavior- There are MANY evolution supporters who ‘strongly argue’ their positions WITHOUT exhibitting such behavior- and quite frankly, those discussions, although heated and passionate on both sides, are a pleasure to read and participate in
There’s a HUGE difference between heatedly defendign one’s position and consistantly harrassing those you dissagree with as those that you mentioned constantly did. That is a distinction that those who got zotted apparently either didn’t understand, or didn’t care enough about the feelings of others to recognize or cede- they were repeatedly asked to tone down their rhetoric, and they refused.
There was a evo/DCer who left that site because they turned on him.
It’s not just us.
“That’s not what I said. What I said was.....” that there appears to be more in the non-evo camp with advanced degrees in science than there are evos.””
I think you are making a distinction without a difference. Nonetheless, again, I don’t think you can make the claim you are making unless you can substantiate it and since you have denoted an objective measure, you should be able to provide the data......I know that’s a lot to ask for from the “creation science” camp - they don’t like providing their data for scrutiny. Perhaps you are different.
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