Skip to comments.President Obama’s Chance for Easy Victory over the “Birthers” (with poll)
Posted on 12/12/2009 3:02:19 PM PST by STARWISE
This office offers no opinion on the merits of the controversy regarding President Obamas eligibility to hold office. Instead, we wonder why the President hasnt put an end to the controversy.
Amidst all the speculation, conspiracy theories, and lawsuits surrounding President Obamas original birth certificate, one obvious and valid question seems to stand out no matter which side of the debate one is on: why doesnt he just produce it? (And why hasnt anyone asked him this?)
The President has fought production of his original birth certificate in numerous lawsuits. In one, a U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida argued that his order to deploy to Afghanistan was potentially illegal because the Presidents eligibility to hold office has not been confirmed.
Instead of confronting the issue directly, the military revoked the soldiers deployment orders. These facts have added considerable fuel to the ongoing suspicion and debate.
Everyone appears to agree that President Obamas original birth certificate (not the short-form Certificate of Live Birth that has been produced) would end the controversy and the lawsuits and quiet the so-called birthers once and for all.
Are we missing something here?
We want to hear from you. Please explain below why you think President Obama has not produced or should not produce his original birth certificate. Please vote to the left.
Hoping it will happen at the right time. Blacks have the highest unemployment, are starting to really suffer and it seems that even they may also become disillusioned with Obama if it gets much worse for them.
I can't remember all the times I've heard birthers say something along the lines of "it doesn't matter where he was born, Obama is ineligible because his Father was a British citizen."
It's simply untrue that producing a birth certificate will silence either the lawsuits or the controversy.
If we can stop healthcare reform then we have a chance of holding the damage Obama does until he finishes his term, which will be the right time to get rid of him.
Having the ability and will to produce the
authentic, officially verified original long
form birth certificate is important; but the
key Constitutional issue is the citizenship
status of his father and mother.
I want more than that now. I want it all from Kindergarten records to college to papers he turned in for grades.
I want to see it all.
Consider the following.
Original, vault copy birth certificate Not released Lawyers fees greater than $1,000,000 birth certificate $15.
Certification of Live Birth Released Counterfeit Case and Affidavits
Admitted British citizenship at birth Confirmed via FactCheck.org/FightTheSmears.com
Birth Announcement Alleged to be a forgery
Obama/Dunham marriage license Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce Released (by independent investigators)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license Not released
Soetoro adoption records Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration Released Counterfeit Document Locator Number update another FOIA request
Occidental College records Not released
Passport Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obamas terrorism and intelligence adviser
Columbia College records Not released
Columbia thesis Soviet Nuclear Disarmament Not released
Harvard College records Not released
Harvard Law Review articles None
Illinois Bar Records Not released.
Baptism certificate None
Medical records Not released
Illinois State Senate records None
Illinois State Senate schedule Lost
Law practice client list Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles None
Kindergarten records this lost or hidden
I want to see it all now!
So in other words, the birth certificate wouldn't resolve the key Constitutional issues. Why then should Obama feel any need to release it?
The original, authenticated long form birth
certificate will show who the authorities
were contemporaneously told his parents are,
among other pertinent details.
He’s clearly not Constitutionally qualifed
if his father is Barack Hussein Obama Sr.,
a citizen of Kenya/UK, as he stated.
He’s already been proven to be a liar, numerous
MHO complained about their ‘student loans.’
Whom were his from ?
Yes, he can continue to pay out millions and threaten
the media and understandably doubtful citizens to
keep all those many official records sealed; but I
don’t think this issue will just go away .. and the
speculation and doubt will continue to remain and
grow as folks truly realize how naturally un-American
he is in his core, and as he takes this great country
Imagine the blackmail target this issue can make
him from other nations he may upset. And they’d be
blackmailing us .. the whole country .. our very
safety .. could be hostage to his actions in response.
It may even be happening now.
The press, secretaries of state, Congress and the
hypnotized tragically dropped the biggest ball ever
in our electoral history.
It’s all about will ... the will to fight for and defend
the truth, our Constitution and our beloved country and ..
and who has it.
I pray for America.
There's still the pesky fact that this isn't what the Constitution says.
Yes. You are missing the fact that birthers believe, wrongly, that he isn't eligible even if he was born in the USA since his father wasn't a US citizen.
LOL. Here we see, yet again, birthers making up numbers out of thin air. It's kind of cute, really.
I guess I’m wrong then. What number is it. Thanks.
There is no number. It's all made up.
How do you know that?
Because no one who has quoted a number has been able to provide a source to back it up.
So it could be 5M for all we know. If it’s a dime it’s too much - it’s not about the money spent - but the need to have the lawyers to begin with. So the money part is a non issue and a smoke screen for the root of it all.
Hes clearly not Constitutionally qualified if his father is Barack Hussein Obama Sr., a citizen of Kenya/UK, as he stated.
Hes already been proven to be a liar, numerous times.
MHO complained about their student loans. Whom were his from ?
Yes, he can continue to pay out millions and threaten the media and understandably doubtful citizens to keep all those many official records sealed; but I dont think this issue will just go away .. and the speculation and doubt will continue to remain and grow as folks truly realize how naturally un-American he is in his core, and as he takes this great country further down.
Imagine the blackmail target this issue can make him from other nations he may upset. And theyd be blackmailing us .. the whole country .. our very safety .. could be hostage to his actions in response. It may even be happening now.
The press, secretaries of state, Congress and the hypnotized tragically dropped the biggest ball ever in our electoral history.
Its all about will ... the will to fight for and defend the truth, our Constitution and our beloved country and .. and who has it.
I pray for America.
___________________________________________________________ You give voice to the thoughts of millions of patriots, STARWISE... THANK YOU!
You’re very welcome.
Thanks to edinva and others, that info’s been posted on FR .. and is readily available to those who care to find it.
The following is information I was able to cull readily from the official Federal Elections Commission website for disbursements from the Obama campaign to the law firm of Perkins Coie, which is or did represent Obama in various eligibility suits. The FEC links follow the entries.
Perkins Coie 314,018.06
July 2009 quarterly:
Perkins Coie 270,754.18
Perkins Coie 688,316.42
Perkins Coie 173,052.52
Amended post-general election:
Perkins Coie 205,323.00
That adds up to $1,651,464.18
Perkins Coie does not appear in the pre-general election filing or a few others I checked randomly. You are free to pursue any further information that is of interest. But one would assume that the official FEC website to which the Obama and other campaigns must report their financial activity would be taken by even the most skeptical among us as valid documentation of the reported $1.4 or $1.8, or anything in between, figure expended to defend the eligibility suits.
This information is about the legal fees only of that one law firm, not the DOJ attorneys, court time, or other related costs.
Thank you, Ed! It also doesn’t cover other involved law firms .. Morgan, Nicholas; Morgan, Bockius et al, who’ve been paid and the other involved lawyers whose names we don’t know.
Anyone occupying the White House who is ineligible to hold the office of president needs to be evacuated IMMEDIATELY!
Even though the information has been shoved up your nose, tomorrow you will still be using the same old DOJ talking points.
This shows disbursements by purpose:
DISBURSEMENTS BY PURPOSE
OBAMA FOR AMERICA
PO Box 8102
Chicago, Illinois 60680
FEC Committee ID #: C00431445
This report contains activity for a Primary Election
Report type: October Quarterly
COMPUTER SOFTWARE 3,200.00
CONS/PROF.SERV. COMPUTER 18,487.37
CONTRIBUTION REFUND -3,869.30
CONTRIBUTIONS CHARITABLE 95,604.89
CREDIT CARD FEES -966.78
DOMAIN WEBSITES 9,000.00
EQUIPMENT RENTAL 305.88
EVENT SITE RENTAL 13,530.00
INTERPRETING SERVICE 420.52
LEGAL SERVICES 323,908.06
MEDIA BUY 10,290.56
OFFICE SUPPLIES 23.36
ON-LINE ADVERTISING 5,000.00
PAYROLL PROCESSING FEE 1,867.03
PAYROLL TAXES 8,332.99
PER DIEM 0.00
STAGING, SOUND, LIGHTING -822.40
TRAVEL AGENCY FEES 13.98
UNLIMITED TRANSFER 70,000.00
WEB SITE HOSTING 17,927.86
No problem. Remember, that amount is for 3
quarters of 2009... last quarter yet to come.
In addition to all the other appurtenant legal
expenses not identified or singled out (such as
Right Now Technologies, which disbursements are
also listed in reports as ‘legal services’) the
disbursements in 2008 also count and are available.
Should the President produce his
original birth certificate.
Decent result, seeing how I was the 3rd person to vote
YES .. and there weren’t any for NO.
Limp wristed sissy.
I am expecting to hear AHhhhhhh! by Memorial Day as his numbers fall off the edge of a cliff.
Yes. 412 (95%)
No. 18 (4%)
Votes so far: 430
It makes her one of the biggest BS artists on FR. She's done this many times.
So she has a reputation of deceit here. Thanks for the info.
You couldn’t be more wrong.
An AOL Poll asks the question: “Do you think it’s fair to question President Obama’s citizenship?”
At 6 AM, on 12/6/09, the results were: 67% “Yes” — 33% “No” — and this is AOL, hardly a conservative website.
That’s some fringe — AOL visitors, by a factor of two-to-one, believe Obama should release his bona fides and end the controversy.
YouPolls.com has taken down their December 4th poll that asks the question, “Is Obama’s birth certificate a valid question.” Obviously, they didn’t like the respondents’ answers — 83% “Yes” — 17% “No.”
YouPolls.com is still running the one asking, “Is Obama a one term President?” — 94? “Yes — 5.7% “No” — expect that one to disappear soon.
An October 23rd item reported that three-in-ten Americans think their current head of state was not born in the United States, according to a poll by Angus Reid Strategies. That’s almost a third of all Americans.
Now, Goddard’s Political Wire points to a new Public Policy Polling survey in Arkansas shows that only 45% of voters in the state say they believe Obama was born in this country, while 31% say they think he was not and 24% are unsure.
“Arkansas is the first of four states where we’ve polled the birther issue (Virginia, North Carolina, and Colorado were the others) and found less than half of respondents confident that Obama is a natural born citizen. The numbers are particularly dramatic among Republicans with 49% saying Obama was not born here to just 23% who grant that he was.”
Sources and links at: http://www.theobamafile.com/_opinion/ThatsSomeFringe.htm
That is one woman who will **NEVER** get another dime of mine!
If you believe that online polls have credibility it explains why you are a birther, I just hope you don’t publicly state your ideas and discredit yourself and in the process discredit opposition to Obama.
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I don't rely on the opinion of some never-done-nothing, never-been-anywhere, incapable of structuring a proper sentence, Obot.
Ping (Hi Beckwith!!!)
Because he doesn't have to.
Another day — another Obot!
WellyP ~ Girly-man?
ought-six ~ ObaMugabe seems a tad effeminate, doesnt he?
Vendome ~ Limp wristed sissy.
I seriously think his birth certificate lists him either as a girl or hermaphrodite.
Because it shows he was born FEMALE.
You have absolutely no proof that a dime of that money was spent on legal services related to birther lawsuits.
Sure. Making up numbers is fun, isn't it?
The only "information" you birthers provide is the the Obama campaign spent money on lawyers. You then take the total amount they spent on lawyers and assume that it was all spent on birther lawsuits.
You completely neglect the fact that all campaigns have legal expenses. You have absolutely no evidence that any of the money spent on lawyers had anything with birther lawsuits.
lets get larry sinclair’s opinion...
OMG, nully!! You did photoshop that, didn’t you?
The red *F U* is a nice touch...
It’s not photo shopped. It appeared all over Google fora while but most of it has been scrubbed by Google.
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