President Obama’s Chance for Easy Victory over the “Birthers” (with poll)

Eye On The Law ^ | 12-12-09 | Jeffrey Nichols

[azishot]

Ho-ly cow!!! Now why would Google scrub it (she said sarcastically)?

What total scum we have in OUR White House.

[Canadian Outrage]

Nice try - the real birth certificate contains what he cannot show - his ILLegality!. I know your good at trying to wear two hats here but no more. Don’t tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. CO

[Brown Deer]

Here's the original photo.

[null and void]

Thanks.

[EDINVA]

Talk about limp-wristed !

[BuckeyeTexan]

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

[Canadian Outrage]

Yeah actually I do know what I’m talking about. Buckeye, I actually apologized to you thinking perhaps I had got something wrong. Well my freepmail lit up. You are NOT against Obama at all. You are for him. Why try playing such games? Just be who you really are. You don’t want the man exposed because this is the man YOU chose. Sorry for you. You can experience his consequences. He has no more concern for you than let’s say “ a flea” or a some poor black person from the ‘hood. He would walk over their face as fast he could get to the next camera and $$$. He’s a profound POS!! Unfortunately he’s dangerous. And you shall certainly see that. CO

[BuckeyeTexan]

I didn’t choose Obama. I didn’t vote for him. I voted for Hillary at Rush Limbaugh’s request for Operation Chaos and then for McCain/Palin. I certainly don’t support Obama. All those things you said about Obama, I’ve said myself, hundreds of times. I defy you to find anything I have said in support of that thug.

You read opinions from birthers who have a pathetic grudge took their word against common sense and little research. It’s not difficult to do a search of my posting history to see that I have never supported Obama and in fact have posted many articles and comments criticizing him. But you won’t go to the trouble because you’re the victim of group-think and you don’t care.

Keep your head in the sand away from the truth. It suits you.

[BuckeyeTexan]

P.S. I would venture a guess that half of the freepmails you received were from the very same birthers who freepmail me privately to tell me that they don't think I'm a troll but that they don't want to get involved in a public grudge match. Talk about wearing two hats. These are the same birthers with whom I used to converse regulary until I called out Orly Taitz as a fraud. Then when I began having challenging discussions with freepers who have been labeled birther trolls about the issue of standing in the eligibility suits, I was disowned and kicked out of the club. (Boo-hoo, poor me!) Guess what? Those "trolls" raise some intelligent points of discussion and usually challenge me to examine what I really believe. I support challenging Obama's eligibility on the basis of his British citizenship at birth. Most of my "troll" friends don't. None of them supports Obama though. If they did, they would long ago have been banned from FR.

[Canadian Outrage]

Buck-eye - I have NEVER been a victim of group think. You sometimes come off as defendng things that I really don’t understand if you are who you say you are. That’s it pretty much in a nutshell. WHY should this court case not go ahead? WHY should America be saddled with this obvious AMERICAN HATING ALIEN? WHY??? I figure it’s one of two things, You either LOVE your country or your not sure or you don’t. It must be clear to me. CO

[BuckeyeTexan]

You sometimes come off as defending things that I really don't understand if you are who you say you are.

I assume you're talking about my defense of legal standing. If not, point me to the issue with which you take offense. Legal standing requires that a plaintiff show that he has been uniquely injured by the direct actions of the defendant. All military personnel suffer the same effect of an ineligible CIC. So the individual military plaintiffs have no unique injury. Legal standing requires that the injury be imminent or concrete and not theoretical. The possibilities of dying in the war or later being tried as a war criminal for following Obama's orders are not definite or imminent injuries. So again, no demonstrable injury. The same issues exist for voters - no unique injury. None of the cases thus far have met the requirements of legal standing. Those cases were rightly dismissed.

WHY should this court case not go ahead?

If you are speaking of an eligibility case with a military plaintiff (or voter), I answered that above. If you are speaking of the quo warranto with the auto dealers, that case should go forward.

WHY should America be saddled with this obvious AMERICAN HATING ALIEN? WHY???

We absolutely, positively shouldn't be saddled with Obama, but we are because the libtards, ACORN, and racist voters chose him.

I figure it's one of two things, You either LOVE your country or your not sure or you don't. It must be clear to me.

I am sure. I love my country. It would be clear to you if you expand your analysis of my comments outside of birther threads. You equate my support for the rules of law and civil procedure with support for Obama. The two are not the same. I don't support Obama or his policies. I don't think he's eligible. I've made that crystal clear.

If you're not a victim of group think, then don't take freepmail opinions as definitive truth and then act upon them without doing some research of your own.

[Canadian Outrage]

Buckeye, sorry, I have been rather tied up trying to get Christmas together so I didn’t see your post. The answer to your first question is yes. I do have a problem with the “standing” issue. If the Constitution gives the ultimate power to “We the People” and my God especially those sent out by a CIC to put their lives on the line for the country, then WHY do they not have standing? The Constitution specially says (and I’m paraphrasing) that the people have the RIGHT to remove an out of control government or a government that is NOT representing them, then the Courts must imo, recognize that. The truth is, everything has been manipulated, tortured, obscured, twisted, to the point that most of those serving in the Government do not know what the hell it even means or for that matter what it says. It’s sick, it’s sad and I guarantee you the results are going to affect even those who believe in this Usurper in Chief. It completely enrages me. My husband and I had lunch with a German couple today that went through the Nazi/Hitler era. They said, it was exactly the same when Hitler came to power. The people wanted to believe “anything” and they were ripe. Hitler crushed the country very quickly and those who opposed him or did not want to go into His army, were immediately punished. I believe this is what America is facing. The good people, the Conservatives and even the Obama folk who change their minds, will have no chance once they have an army dedicated to Obama (how I hate that word) ready, willing and fully able by virtue of being armed, to oppress them. Your in for a very hard time. And it peeves me that it likely will spill over into Canada. At least the economics will. It’s a mess, a huge mess. And nobody, but nobody should be cavalier about it. CO