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Driving libertarians out of the Tea Party movement
insidecatholic.com ^ | 12/29/09 | Brian Saint-Paul

Posted on 12/30/2009 4:51:48 PM PST by Publius804

It appears that some state and county Tea Party groups are trying to cleanse their ranks of libertarians. That's a shame since the movement started with Ron Paul and his libertarian followers, and was then co-opted by mainstream GOP Sean Hannity types.

Lawrence Samuels, editor of Facets of Liberty: A Libertarian Primer and participant in the Monterey County Tea Party, is witnessing the purge firsthand:

[A]fter a successful 4th of July Tea Party parade and Freedom Rally in Monterey, the cracks in the alliance split wide open. I was accused of belonging to too many leftist organizations. In fact, I am co-chair of the local Libertarians for Peace, which joined the 27-member Monterey County Peace Coalition to protest the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But Libertarians for Peace is neither Left nor Right….

Obviously, the Tea Party conservatives were neophytes; never before had they been involved in political activism. Some had never heard of Congressman Ron Paul. Prof. David R. Henderson, one of the libertarian Tea Party Board members, described this curious phenomenon as "activism without ideals." I thought my phrase captured it best: "a cause without a rebel." In fact, as demands to purge the libertarians intensified, we got the distinct feeling that the purgers fit the category of "reactionary" since they seemed to know only what they were against, not what they were for. Amazingly, they never pointed out any philosophical differences that they found objectionable. It was as if they were devoid of ideas, marooned with empty rhetoric and no real solutions….

In retrospect, it did not help our case when we asked these rookies embarrassing questions. We asked them why they had done nothing when President Bush bailed out the banks and auto companies, spent money like a drunken sailor, bashed civil liberties and advanced socialized medicine with Medicare Prescription Drug law, a program that some in Congress estimated will have a price tag of $1.2 trillion by 2016. I suppose our questioning merely rubbed their noises too deeply in their ignorance.

You can read his entire account here.

If the Tea Party movement is to function merely as the activist wing of Republican talk radio, it won't get very far.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: conservativism; libertarian; libertarians; paulestinians; republican; ronpaul; teaparty
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1 posted on 12/30/2009 4:51:49 PM PST by Publius804
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To: Publius804

Oh yea, this will help. I’m really, really beginning to loathe the GOP.


2 posted on 12/30/2009 4:54:21 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Publius804

The tea parties should be there own thing and beyond political affiliations.


3 posted on 12/30/2009 4:55:25 PM PST by decimon
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To: Publius804
That's a shame since the movement started with Ron Paul and his libertarian followers...

I knew Paul was old, but I didn't know he was Ben Franklin old.

4 posted on 12/30/2009 4:55:29 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Publius804
That's a shame since the movement started with Ron Paul and his libertarian followers, and was then co-opted by mainstream GOP Sean Hannity types”

I stopped right there.
What is this guy smoking?

5 posted on 12/30/2009 4:55:35 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Publius804

“since the movement started with Ron Paul and his libertarian followers”

Is that true? I kinda thought it started with Glenn Beck.


6 posted on 12/30/2009 4:56:05 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: decimon

there = their


7 posted on 12/30/2009 4:56:22 PM PST by decimon
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To: Publius804

When did Ron Paul supposedly start the Tea Party movement?


8 posted on 12/30/2009 4:56:31 PM PST by j.argese
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To: Publius804

As long as you keep that kook RON PAUL your Spokesman... you’re going to be marked as a KOOK and not welcome ANYWHERE!!!


9 posted on 12/30/2009 4:57:15 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: Publius804

“I suppose our questioning merely rubbed their noises too deeply in their ignorance.”
Perhaps they are “purging” you because you come across as an arrogant prick.


10 posted on 12/30/2009 4:58:24 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Publius804
It was as if they were devoid of ideas, marooned with empty rhetoric and no real solutions….

Always a good way to win your argument by insulting those who don't agree with you.

11 posted on 12/30/2009 4:58:34 PM PST by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: Publius804
If the Tea Party movement is to function merely as the activist wing of Republican talk radio, it won't get very far.
But if they hitch their wagon to the Ron Paul star... wow... there's no telling how far they can go... in East Texas.
12 posted on 12/30/2009 4:58:35 PM PST by samtheman
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To: driftdiver

The tea party movement actually started in 1773. Many have taken up the name, but the latest movement has direct themes to the original tea party. Paul and his ilk used the name for some of their little anti-war, Guy Faulks type protests, but it had nothing to do with the Tea Party protests you see around the country now.


13 posted on 12/30/2009 4:59:10 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Publius804
that's a shame since the movement started with Ron Paul and his libertarian followers,

Nonsense and mad hatter blabbering.

14 posted on 12/30/2009 4:59:20 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Publius804
Ladies in the Republican Town Committee organized our Tea Party. They made a point of being non-partisan. No elected officials were invited to speak. One candidate for the second district was along with a Libertarian. The candidate, a constitutionalist Republican, Matthew Daly, spoke for five minutes in a non-partisan way.

The Libertarian went on a twenty minute rant about George Bush and Republicans. He also canvassed the crowd trying to sell crap.

15 posted on 12/30/2009 4:59:29 PM PST by Brugmansian
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To: Publius804

A cause without a rebel.

How cute.

How catchy.

And how obviously and demonstrably untrue.

I would mention the name of the rebel but I don’t want to sully that name by having it mentioned in the same thread as Ron Paul.

But y’all know who I mean.


16 posted on 12/30/2009 5:00:04 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Publius804
If the Tea Party movement is to function merely as the activist wing of Republican talk radio, it won't get very far.

Who said it was?

17 posted on 12/30/2009 5:00:12 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Publius804
Gee, no one in our area thought that they were “Ron Paul” acolytes, we merely objecting to all elected “masters” who believed that they know what's best for all Americans merely by getting elected!
18 posted on 12/30/2009 5:00:26 PM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: driftdiver
"Is that true? I kinda thought it started with Glenn Beck."

I think the original idea came from somebody name Santelli or Santori (from CNBC) and an off-the-cuff comment that he made during a live broadcast when he was railing against the original bailout.

19 posted on 12/30/2009 5:00:28 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: j.argese
When did Ron Paul supposedly start the Tea Party movement?

When this guy was his homie


20 posted on 12/30/2009 5:00:32 PM PST by smith288 (Peace at all costs gives you tyranny free of charge)
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To: j.argese
When did Ron Paul supposedly start the Tea Party movement?
When he stopped hitting the bong long enough to reload it.
21 posted on 12/30/2009 5:01:01 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Publius804
”Libertarians for Peace”

Always get a kick of these names. I am a conservative for peace. I love peace who doesn’t love peace? Oh the religion of peace.


Peace

22 posted on 12/30/2009 5:01:01 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: j.argese
When did Ron Paul supposedly start the Tea Party movement?

December 16th, 2007.
Biggest online fundraiser in political history.
Supporters of Paul also dumped "tea" (in the form of big government programs as boxes) into the water of whatever city they held rallies in.
Thus, the Tea Parties were born.

23 posted on 12/30/2009 5:01:04 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: decimon

They are.

But abortion rights, drug use without consequence, open borders, and demilitarization aren’t values they hold. Perhaps the Libertatians should return to their roots.

/PreRandian.


24 posted on 12/30/2009 5:01:31 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Publius804

We had one Paulite who was considering a run for office speak at a tea party rally on the steps of the state Capital in Hartford, CT. People were listening until he started claiming the military on foreign soil caused terrorists attacks and demanded troops be removed asap. He was booed for the next several minutes so loudly he couldn’t speak. He finally gave up and walked away to the cheers of about 2,000 people.


25 posted on 12/30/2009 5:01:48 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Publius804

And this is what will cause us to lose in 2010 and 2012. Infighting in conservative groups and infighting in the GOP.

Libertarians are not the enemy right now. We have our differences but the fight with libertarians can wait until we get these commies out of office. Lets fight smart


26 posted on 12/30/2009 5:02:05 PM PST by Def Conservative (Obama is a joke.)
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To: Publius804
Uh, the "Tea Party" movement of 2009 was "started" by the CNBC reporter on the floor of the Chicago Stock Exchange as an off-the-cuff comment that then went viral.

Ron Paul? Sheesh, his minions need to give it a rest.

27 posted on 12/30/2009 5:02:07 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Publius804

Folks, beware of people trying to fracture this movement. Motives, what is the motive? It would help if we had a point man, a leader if you will. I dont know someone like Sarah maybe??? Just sayin/


28 posted on 12/30/2009 5:02:31 PM PST by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: smith288

I thought the current movement was based upon Rick Santelli’s comment on CNBC


29 posted on 12/30/2009 5:03:25 PM PST by j.argese
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Good point, Steve. I love peace, too. The peace that follows American Victory on the battlefield.


30 posted on 12/30/2009 5:03:35 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Publius804
Obviously, the Tea Party conservatives were neophytes; never before had they been involved in political activism.

I doubt that. I would be willing to bet 75%+ have been paying attention for over 20 years.

31 posted on 12/30/2009 5:04:18 PM PST by LiberConservative (Global Warming/'Climate Change": Biggest Scam in History)
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To: driftdiver
Is that true? I kinda thought it started with Glenn Beck.

Nope.
When Paul ran for President, he inspired people.
They made their own signs, donated their own money, and used MeetUp.com to hold meetings with other Paul supporters.
I know, I was there, and we used to hold impromtu rallies on street corners and parks for Paul.
Paul was the only Republican who could have match Obama's online presence, grassroots support and fund-raising.

32 posted on 12/30/2009 5:04:38 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: Publius804

>> then co-opted by mainstream GOP Sean Hannity types

>> Obviously, the Tea Party conservatives were neophytes; never before had they been involved in political activism.

Hannity may not be everyone’s favorite, but he’s been fighting his cause of Conservatism since long ago, and during the hours the witches fly.

Since when do fickle punks own the cause of Liberty?


33 posted on 12/30/2009 5:04:59 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Publius804
That's a shame since the movement started with Ron Paul and his libertarian followers, and was then co-opted by mainstream GOP Sean Hannity types.

Nope, they were suggested by Rick Santelli on CNBC. He is a fiscal conservative.

34 posted on 12/30/2009 5:05:27 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: gwilhelm56

Not only here, but know other freepers in other states who
are good conservatives but will not go back to a Tea Party functions.
The Ron Paul loons handing out papers for 9/11 Truther film
and other propaganda.


35 posted on 12/30/2009 5:05:33 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: samtheman
But if they hitch their wagon to the Ron Paul star... wow... there's no telling how far they can go... in East Texas.

Perhaps all the way to El Paso, but I see that wagon breaking down before it hits Fort Stockton.

The Ron Paul movement might want to put their HQ in Pecos. Not much left there in that historic town, they could take the town over.

36 posted on 12/30/2009 5:07:07 PM PST by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: Publius804

tea parties are for everyone and the one I went to had the left, right and the middle.

fed up of Govt and how they are trying to take over every aspect of our lives, fed up of their reckless spending and wanting more taxes then that is where the tea party is for you regardless of what party one comes from


37 posted on 12/30/2009 5:07:19 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: BunnySlippers

Thank you, that was going to be my next post.
and Santelli is not Ron Paul.


38 posted on 12/30/2009 5:07:19 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: mnehring
The tea party movement actually started in 1773.

That's true but we're talking about the modern-day Tea Party which begun during Paul's presidential campaign.

Paul and his ilk used the name for some of their little anti-war, Guy Faulks type protests, but it had nothing to do with the Tea Party protests you see around the country now

Bald-faced lie.
The Tea Parties, the people who protested Obamacare in Town Halls in August, who protested the porkulus...are all remnants of supporters of Paul's campaign. The GOP and mainstream conservatives had nothing to do with it.

39 posted on 12/30/2009 5:07:35 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: samtheman

“I love peace, too. The peace that follows American Victory on the battlefield.”

bttt


40 posted on 12/30/2009 5:08:06 PM PST by 1035rep
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To: Publius804

also what is this author on about?

totally out of touch with what the tea party is about and who got it going.

ios this another way for the fools from both sides to break the tea party movement.

boy they’re really afraid of the tea party arn;t they


41 posted on 12/30/2009 5:08:44 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: OldDeckHand
I think the original idea came from somebody name Santelli or Santori (from CNBC) and an off-the-cuff comment that he made during a live broadcast when he was railing against the original bailout.

I think you're right.

42 posted on 12/30/2009 5:09:43 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, islam will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Brugmansian
The Libertarian went on a twenty minute rant about George Bush and Republicans. He also canvassed the crowd trying to sell crap.

Typical Paulestinian.

43 posted on 12/30/2009 5:10:00 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Deathcare...a solution desperately looking for a problem.)
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To: LiberConservative

Paying attention to the news stories, and actually getting out there and holding a sign, marching with like minded folks, are two entirely different things.


44 posted on 12/30/2009 5:10:51 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Publius804
It appears that some state and county Tea Party groups are trying to cleanse their ranks of libertarians. That's a shame since the movement started with Ron Paul and his libertarian followers, and was then co-opted by mainstream GOP Sean Hannity types.

Did a little research on the Heritage Foundation. Ron Paul had nothing to do with the founding of this movement. I can understand why Conservatives are weary of libertarians...they tend to turn a legitimate grass-root movement into a Freak-show...In the end they only diminish the effort of real Patriots who take action.


45 posted on 12/30/2009 5:10:54 PM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
When Paul ran for President, he inspired people.

Can't disagree with that statement. Paul's problem was he inspired thousands, when he needed to inspire millions.

Paul was the only Republican who could have match Obama's online presence, grassroots support and fund-raising.

Huh? Sarah Palin trumps all Republicans in that regard.

46 posted on 12/30/2009 5:11:13 PM PST by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: GoCards

exactly

we have groups right now trying to destroy the movement because they’re afraid.

Lets just keep getting the word out about this white house and Govt and leave these fools who want to destroy the movement to their little pathetic lives


47 posted on 12/30/2009 5:11:31 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: MrEdd
But abortion rights

Most libertarians are pro-life and even the ones who supposed support abortion at least support taking tax dollars out of it and letting states decide.

drug use without consequence

But drugs are already being abused now, and they're illegal.

open borders

Libertarians oppose the welfare state and anchor babies. Getting rid of the regulations would force businesses to hire Americans. They're more pro-border security than most Republicans.

demilitarization

You mean stop the nation-building and fighting police actions in 3rd world hell-holes, right? Libertarians support a strong national defense.

Perhaps the Libertatians should return to their roots

That's fine but don't bitch when the Republican loses by several hundred votes because of the libertarian in the race.

48 posted on 12/30/2009 5:12:39 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: SmokingJoe

This has been the spin out of the Ron Paul movement for a while. I’ve heard it several times.

Honestly, the more I hear out of the Ron Paul camp, the more I think it qualifies as the political version of a CULT. Everything somehow relates back to Ron Paul.

That’s probably the cause of the tension with the Tea Party movement. It’s pretty well documented how it started (with a reporter’s outcry on a trading room floor) and it had nothing to do with Ron Paul. The Paul supporters are causing the tension (and distrust) by claiming they started it instead. It’s hard to trust someone when you know they are flat out lying about something (like starting the Tea Party movement.)


49 posted on 12/30/2009 5:13:00 PM PST by Brookhaven (http://theconservativehand.blogspot.com/)
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To: driftdiver
Glenn Beck *IS* a libertarian.

Political views

Beck says of his political views, "I consider myself a libertarian. I'm a conservative, but every day that goes by I'm fighting for individual rights." Among his core values Beck lists personal responsibility, private charity, the right to life, freedom of religion, low debt, limited government, and family as the cornerstone of society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_beck#Political_views

50 posted on 12/30/2009 5:13:39 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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