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Elderly Viking Kitty with Diabetes
1/4/10 | Battle Axe

Posted on 01/04/2010 5:16:56 PM PST by Battle Axe

Miss Peach has been a Viking Kitty since I have been on Free Republic, but tonight she is in the hospital with severe diabetes.

Is there anyone else how has come across this problem?

What did you do and what was the outcome?

The sugar reading was 417. She will be 15 years old in 7 weeks.


TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: catdiabetes; cats; kittyping
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To: Bubbette

You’ve stated something here that is very important, and everyone needs to pay attention: steroids can affect your pancreas, causing it to fail and the result is diabetes.


51 posted on 01/05/2010 12:10:43 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Marie2

If you inform yourself as to what kind of needles to use, and learn to do it in a way that isn’t distressing to the cat, it’s not a hardship for the cat at all. I had a cat who lived to 21, with renal failure for the last 5 years and severe diabetes for the last 1.5. He LOVED getting his subcutaneous fluids every night. Took about 15 minutes, during which time he was lying on my bed getting combed and purring. If I was late with his fluids in the evening, he’d get up on the bed and lie down in the usual spot and meow to remind me. He never noticed the insulin shots — literally kept right on eating while I gave him the shot — I used the smallest gauge needle available.


52 posted on 01/05/2010 12:20:03 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Slings and Arrows

Hi S And A! =^..^=


53 posted on 01/05/2010 3:12:04 AM PST by Biggirl (Happy 2010!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Battle Axe

Prayers.


54 posted on 01/05/2010 3:12:36 AM PST by Biggirl (Happy 2010!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: boatbums
We have fed our two Royal Canin Indoors Intense Hairball formula for years.

Two of the first four ingredients are corn...bad news. Cats do not eat corn in the wild...pet food manufacturers use corn for ONE reason; it is cheap and profitable...same reason they use corn syrup in human 'food'. The 'perfect food' is mice in a blender, but I'll stick with the 'pop top' cans... :-)

55 posted on 01/05/2010 3:17:29 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: dynachrome

If you give the shot correctly, the cat never even knows it’s been given. Scruff the kitty, and give the shot at the back of the neck, the part where the mother cat grabs onto her kitten to carry it about. My vet taught us how to do this, and we gave our little diabetic kitty her insulin twice a day. She liked it, because to her, it just meant she got petted twice a day—she never felt the needle.


56 posted on 01/05/2010 5:13:29 AM PST by MizSterious (Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm? John Page, 1744-1808)
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To: Battle Axe
Sorry about your kitty. Our Scooter was diagnosed too. We decided to go with the shots. I'm terrified of needles, lol, so it was huge for me to do this. I'm so glad that I did though. He immediately started to regain the weight that he had lost. The last year and a half of his life was good. He was happy and really didn't mind the shots. We also switched to the gluten free fancy feast for him. He brought us so many years of pure joy and he was worth the extra effort and expense. Good luck with your baby.
57 posted on 01/05/2010 6:18:00 AM PST by TexasBeth
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To: Biggirl

Hi Biggirl!


58 posted on 01/05/2010 6:34:29 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (HALP UZ AL GOR. PLEEZ SEND GLOBUL WARMING.)
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To: Battle Axe
It will be OK.

Our cat, Oslo, has had diabetes for 12+ years and we have learned a thing or two:

Cats can be tested on either a toe pad or the ear (we test Oslo on his toe, have never tried the ear). Our first ‘Vet’ told us we could NEVER - EVER! test our cat at home. Quack. We got a new vet.

Meters: we use a ReliOn from WalmMart - 1/2 the cost for supplies than any other brand. We use a Freestyle lancet - it has an adjustable depth - we go 5.5 which is max.

Food - VERY IMPORTANT! As others have mentioned there are great info sources like Feline Diabetes.org(?) (FD) which mention foods. We feed both dry and wet - wet in the AM - dry all as we have three cats and cannot feed twice a day

The dry food: Wellness makes ONE dry cat food called CORE which is ‘PUR’fect for diabetic cats. Really. It is meat in a dry form made by a patented process. All other dry foods can cause a problem.

Wet food: we use Fancy Feast: Gourmet Chicken, Turkey & Giblet Feast and Tender Beef Feast. All 100% safe. We found out about the wet food on the FD forum. And the cats seem to like it.

Insulin: the tricky part. Cats like a beef based insulin - Lente. It is now illegal and not made anywhere. Pity. Oslo liked it, so we had to change insulin and re-regulate him.

For some years we have been giving him a beef/pork insulin - PZI - but, alas it is now no longer made. We were planning to switch him over to Vetsilin this week,but our really good Vet told us that this, too, has been discontinued.

Insulin available:

Humulin - R: NEVER USE THIS! It is extremely fast acting and is only used in emergencies in clinical settings.

Humulin -N: A possibility, but possibly too fast acting in a cat and not long enough in duration (for those human diabetics reading this, cats metabolize insulin twice as fast as humans, and its duration is 1/2 as fast as well.

ProZinc - 100% perfect for your cat, as it is the first insulin FDA approved for cats (WTF? why does cat insulin need this approval?) and costs,according to our Vet $125.00.

GLARGINE - This is what we are going to try next. Our Vet wants $150.00 per vial,but we are going to have her write us a prescription that we will fill at our Pharmacy for ‘Lantus’ - the same insulin branded for humans - link:

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_glargine_insulin.html

Note the statement in red at the bottom of the page - perhaps good news for you and your cat. It's about $100.00 per vial. A vial can last three months or more depending upon where your cat ‘settles in’ at.

All of our cat insulin has been u40, and the Lantus is u100 (means that there are 100 units in cc verses 40 units per cc. We'll use less.

Keep your insulin in the refrigerator and it will last for many months.

Good luck and please feel free to PM me with any questions you may have. I'll gladly attempt to answer them.

59 posted on 01/05/2010 6:45:21 AM PST by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth...)
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To: sistabrista

We have several cats and Blue Buffalo was the one food that they all could eat; it stopped one cat’s bloody stool, another threw up all the time and it seemed all had hair ball problems even when we added the malt for hairballs. Once we started them on Blue Buffalo, they all seemed much better and most of those symptoms went away completely.

Blue Buffalo is well worth the extra expense, especially if you have multiple cats.


60 posted on 01/05/2010 7:30:42 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

News from the vet’s office is that she made it through the night.....that was not in question until they tried to get blood and she fought tooth and nail.

She is very grumpy with the staff.

WELL THAT IS A GOOD SIGN. SHE IS NORMALLY GRUMPY.

ba


61 posted on 01/05/2010 8:25:34 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh.)
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To: Battle Axe

Our calico Ginger has been diabetic for a little over a year now. As many have said, its pretty easy to deal with. Give the shot while they’re feeding and they won’t even notice. Keep her on a fixed, low carb diet. Once you get her blood sugar normalized, it’ll simply be a matter of keeping an eye on her water intake and appetite. Either of those increase and you’ll probably need to adjust the dose. After a while I found I could tell by the smell of her urine. The ammonia smell will turn almost sweet.

You might want to get her checked for a pancreatic tumor. That turned out to be the cause of Ginger’s diabetes. Had we discovered it early surgery might have been a viable option, but by the time we found out it was to the point that surgery would have been really complicated, with a high probability that she wouldn’t survive. Since then we’ve just been keeping her comfortable until its time to put her down.


62 posted on 01/05/2010 9:37:36 AM PST by Bacon Man
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To: boatbums
We have fed our two Royal Canin Indoors Intense Hairball formula for years. It is expensive but they are my babies and like to "free feed". Is this a bad food for them. I will switch tomorrow if somebody can give me some guidance. Please???

Read the label. If the formula contains grains (and as far as I have seen, ALL dry formulas DO, since they need them to bind together--rice is no better than corn when it comes to cats), switch to a good canned food with low fibre content (see the table in www.felinediabetes.com)

Hairballs are miserable, especially when you step on the remains in the dark. Control hairballs by brushing kitty and feeding a hair ball remedy from a tube, or margarine or butter.
63 posted on 01/05/2010 9:48:35 AM PST by Nepeta
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To: Battle Axe
News from the vet’s office is that she made it through the night.....that was not in question until they tried to get blood and she fought tooth and nail.

Taking blood to measure blood sugar levels is best done at home. Cats are notorious for becoming so upset in veterinary settings that the results cannot be trusted! Better to wrap kitty in a towel with her head sticking out, and quickly pierce the ear (there is a blood vessel that runs along the edge of the ears) and get a sample. That will yield a far more reliable number than the values obtained in an unfamiliar, stressful environment.
64 posted on 01/05/2010 9:56:11 AM PST by Nepeta
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To: sistabrista

Thanks for the reply. I’ll look into it.


65 posted on 01/05/2010 10:22:51 AM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: SatinDoll

Thank you for the reply. I think I’m going to try Blue Buffalo canned in the morning and leave out the Royal Canin for free feed and see how they do. Neither has any health problems and are still young (6 1/2 and 16 mo.). They are both long-haired so they need the hairball control (especially the Ragdoll). I don’t like the idea of forcing petroleum products down them, if they can get what they need from the food.


66 posted on 01/05/2010 11:13:20 AM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: Battle Axe

Great! May she recover fully. (And grumpily.)


67 posted on 01/05/2010 11:30:18 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (HALP UZ AL GOR. PLEEZ SEND GLOBUL WARMING.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Thanks for the info. Here I thought I was giving them “the best”. What do you think about giving them canned once a day and then letting them free feed the Royal Canin the rest of the time? Neither have any health problems and are still young (6 1/2 yrs. and 16 mo.).


68 posted on 01/05/2010 11:42:03 AM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: boatbums
Here I thought I was giving them “the best”.

Many of us fall for the marketing...I have no idea how such a diet would affect your animals...all I can stand on is that the corn products are not good for them. You have to watch for corn and other unhealthy 'fillers'...

69 posted on 01/05/2010 11:53:23 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Nepeta

Thanks for your reply. I appreciate it. They do not have any health problems now (other than the occasional hairball) and I want to keep them that way. I am going to Petsmart today to get some Blue Buffalo canned to give them once a day. Do you think letting them continue on free feeding the dry Royal Canin would be harmful? They both like it a lot and I don’t know how they would respond to a change...it’s all they have ever eaten (outside of treats - which have always been freeze-dried chicken, salmon or bonita flakes).


70 posted on 01/05/2010 11:56:16 AM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: who knows what evil?
Corn syrup in human food = diabetes; corn meal in pet food = diabetes. Simple as that.

Very succinct, erudite, pithy, accurate, and quite easy to remember.

Beats the heck out of taking years to commit to memory big old nasty texts about metabolism, endocrinology, nutrition, physiology, and lesser related tomes.

Those dang RD's* need to spend more time on the net.

*RD=real doctors

71 posted on 01/05/2010 12:00:11 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: who knows what evil?

My vet, who is a cat-only vet and who breeds Main Coon cats, has always said that a dry diet was fine. Guess like human doctors, they don’t always get nutritional training.


72 posted on 01/05/2010 12:08:22 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: boatbums
Guess like human doctors, they don’t always get nutritional training.

That is correct. You will note that many vets also sell the Science Diet line of foods...the dry foods contain corn products. Oops.

73 posted on 01/05/2010 12:13:14 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: going hot

Cute. It should be obvious to anyone that my little formula is a blatant generalization, but most would agree that avoiding those products (along with sugars) would reduce your chances of developing diabetes...is that a guarantee? Of course not.


74 posted on 01/05/2010 12:16:22 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Battle Axe

I’m glad she’s (grumpily) doing okay—I’m sorry you’re going through this. My grumpiest kitty was diagnosed with diabetes a couple of years ago. We give her an insulin injection twice a day, which she surprisingly doesn’t mind. We also switched her to gluten-free Fancy Feast, which she seems to like. She’s doing a lot better—her fur is thicker now, and she’s back to her playful-but-peevish self. :) Good luck—please keep us posted.


75 posted on 01/05/2010 12:16:57 PM PST by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: Battle Axe
I hope your baby does well. They are all so precious to us, aren't they?

Here's my Ragdoll, Stella.


76 posted on 01/05/2010 12:21:28 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: who knows what evil?
Reading the first 70 replies, I was amused at the simple, yet most effective remedies put forth by some. Yours just happened to catch my eye.

I apoligize for not seeing it for the blatant generalization you say it was.

Perhaps I should reread the entire thread and see if there are any more similar.

:-)

77 posted on 01/05/2010 12:35:08 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: boatbums
My vet, who is a cat-only vet and who breeds Main Coon cats, has always said that a dry diet was fine. Guess like human doctors, they don’t always get nutritional training.

Snicker

78 posted on 01/05/2010 12:37:52 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: boatbums
When I changed my 3 cats over to canned only, one of them whined and cried for days, reluctant to eat the canned food. Cats will continue to eat whatever they wish--I would take up the dry food and not offer them the opportunity to continue eating it.

The 'whiner' now wakes me at 4.30 to be fed canned food.
79 posted on 01/05/2010 1:02:50 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: boatbums
My vet, who is a cat-only vet and who breeds Main Coon cats, has always said that a dry diet was fine. Guess like human doctors, they don’t always get nutritional training.

The work indicating that cats are obligate carnivores is relatively recent. Even into the 1970s most formulation of cat food was based upon dog studies, with the assumption made that they were both domesticated predators.

My cousin the pathologist says a lot of his MD classmates never bother learning anything after the day they are turned loose to practice. No doubt it is the same way with some DVMs. The feline diabetes site has info and links to work from DVMs who ARE current. This obligate carnivore work is legitimate science.
80 posted on 01/05/2010 1:08:16 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: boatbums

What a spectacularly beautiful kitty! Gorgeous!


81 posted on 01/05/2010 1:10:10 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: PilotDave
We are all home now. They released her at 4 p.m. She has 499 blood sugar from the jugular vein today, under sedation.

She has a raging bladder infection which the vet said was common in diabetic cats. I have pills for that to start tomorrow.

She is surprisingly back to normal self. She meowed for her wet food and cleaned it up immediately. And has filled the potty box nicely. Now eating some dry food. Vet said to watch for not eating. Not this kitty.

There is very little damage to the liver and kidneys at this point. We need to get the bad bladder infection under control and we are to start our pills tomorrow a.m.

When she is full, I'll put her on the arm of the recliner and get out the comb.

We will cherish our time together.

Bad news is that I fell downs the stairs and have a swollen wrist, there is freezing rain outside and I barely made it home with kitty. We saw one accident were the guy missed a telephone pole by inches.

BA

82 posted on 01/05/2010 2:54:21 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh.)
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To: boatbums

>>> “They are both long-haired so they need the hairball control (especially the Ragdoll). I don’t like the idea of forcing petroleum products down them, if they can get what they need from the food.”

No need for force. Smear it onto their fur. They’ll clean it off & ingest it.


83 posted on 01/05/2010 3:17:52 PM PST by Titan Magroyne (Freedom is taken, not given.)
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To: Battle Axe
Have no experience myself, but a good friend does. He gives his diabetic cat shots of insulin every day. He’s been doing it for years. She seems happy and well enough to me.
84 posted on 01/05/2010 4:05:08 PM PST by LiberConservative (Global Warming/'Climate Change": Biggest Scam in History)
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To: Nepeta

thnx... she thinks so, too!;o)


85 posted on 01/05/2010 4:24:36 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: Battle Axe

Your week is not starting out too well, is it? I hope you and kitteh are all better soon. Turn up the heat and have some hot chocolate and love on your baby.


86 posted on 01/05/2010 4:30:34 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: boatbums

Just in case, there is a canned food that would meet your requirements.

It is WELLNESS Chicken Formula (Grain Free). Kind of spendy @ $2.50 per 12.5 OZ can, but it is keeping my elderly Japanese Bobtail alive and she doesn’t eat a great deal (little cat, 6 lbs.). The other eight cats eat EVO or the Ancestors Diet, both supposedly grain-free kibble.


87 posted on 01/05/2010 4:30:38 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Nepeta

Ok...I got some canned and dry of the Blue Buffalo. I’ll give then some canned in the a.m. and mix the dry in with their Royal Canin and wean them off the RC. That should work. Thanks again for the advice. Only what’s best for my kids!


88 posted on 01/05/2010 4:59:18 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: Titan Magroyne
Smear it onto their fur. They’ll clean it off & ingest it.

Sure..easy for you to say. We smeared some on Stella's paw (Parmamalt(sp)?) one morning and what she couldn't shake off she wore around all day until it dried out. I finally wiped it off that night so it wouldn't get on the bed. LOL. She IS stubborn!

89 posted on 01/05/2010 5:06:41 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: boatbums
Another bit of advice for anyone starting to feed canned food: they HATE cold food. It costs more, but only open cans/can sizes that they will eat in a reasonable period of time--they will eat room temperature food in great preference to canned food that has been re-sealed and refrigerated.

Cold food they won't eat that you throw out is pure waste.
90 posted on 01/05/2010 5:13:33 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: boatbums; All
After reading on the Internet (thanks Al Gore)scar......It appears that the natural food for a cat is a whole mouse. That is 50% fat, 40% protein and 10% carbs.

Then when I looked up cat food recipes, they seemed to make some of the same mistakes. Lots of organ meat means an imbalance of something else. Can't remember with this wrist.

Why can't we buy a whole chicken, a whole fish and then scramble some eggs and cook it all down and make our own. I've never seen any of my cats in the garden eating the peas.

The Freeper who said he hadn't chased his cat out of the corn patch gave me the idea......

BA

91 posted on 01/05/2010 5:17:03 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh.)
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To: Battle Axe
An excess of liver would mean too much vitamin A.

Yes, what kitty really wants to eat is a freshly killed, body temperature mouse. Mice are not without problems--they carry parasites.

If you are going to make your own kitty fodder, be sure that it contains taurine in adequate levels.
92 posted on 01/05/2010 5:23:15 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: boatbums

Wow, that IS stubborn! I stand corrected. :o)


93 posted on 01/05/2010 6:02:42 PM PST by Titan Magroyne (Freedom is taken, not given.)
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To: Titan Magroyne
Yep...that's her middle name! Actually, it's Artois. Stella Artois is an awesome Belgium beer! Had it in the Bahamas on draft and really cold the first time and was hooked.

There is another way though I found to administer the parmamalt and that is to put about an inch on the end of your index finger, grab their face at the jaw, open the mouth and insert the goo between the cheek and teeth. They can't spit it out!!! This is a good way to give any liquid or semi-liquid, but to give a pill, you just have to get it as far in the back of the mouth as possible. I hate disturbing them so if I can get the same benefit from the food, I will.

94 posted on 01/05/2010 6:38:54 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: Nepeta; Battle Axe

I remember the comedian, Gallagher, used to have a routine about this. He said you finally find something your cat likes so you go and buy a case, then you make the mistake of letting them see it in the cupboard, then nooo, they don’t like Kitty Vitty anymore, they want Tasty Kitty.

Then I thought, you know, if I was a cat I wouldn’t want the same thing all the time. I’d like a little variety. But then I thought, nah, look where they lick. I think they should make butt flavored cat food, or mouse, or lizard. Did your cat ever bring you home a TUNA???


95 posted on 01/05/2010 6:46:29 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: boatbums

They do like what is Forbidden. I have found loaves of bread with graw marks all along the top of the loaf, right through the plastic. They didn’t really want it, but they did want to make sure they didn’t want it.


96 posted on 01/05/2010 6:49:43 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: boatbums
Guess like human doctors, they don’t always get nutritional training.

I have a cat only vet as well. She says that in vet school there is only a very small percentage of time devoted to feline nutrition and even then it comes from the pet food companies. Their reps are the ones giving the lectures about diet.

Since vets have so much to learn about many different types of animals, they don't spend much time on such a small area.

A dry food diet is not the best for an obligate carnivore. If it was, they would feed it to lions and tigers as it would cost less than meat.

A good book about feline nutrition has been written by Elizabeth Hodgekins. She holds the patent for one of the Purina dry food formulas. Since that patent, she now advocates a wet food only diet. Worth checking out.

97 posted on 01/05/2010 6:51:57 PM PST by CAluvdubya (Palin 2012...YOU BETCHA!.)
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To: CAluvdubya

Thanks for the info. We’re never to old to learn!


98 posted on 01/05/2010 7:09:35 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: Nepeta

Love it!!! We came home one time and Stella had a peach sticker stuck to her chin. She was just walking around oblivious. I looked in the fruit bowl and, sure enough, there was a peach with a tiny little bite out of it where the sticker was! Yet she had this innocent look on her face like, “What peach, I didn’t bother no peach!”. LOL

We also have to be careful with our new guy Beaux, he will eat anything off the floor, edible or not, he will at least taste it.


99 posted on 01/05/2010 7:15:59 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: boatbums
HA! I learned at age 50+. I gave all my kitties dry food until one was diagnosed with diabetes. I've always wondered if any previous kitties of mine were more ill than I knew as most of the time they were outdoors.

I learned a lifetime of info from my little diabetic. He's crossed over the Rainbow Bridge now (from other causes) but he sure taught me a lot!

100 posted on 01/05/2010 7:22:34 PM PST by CAluvdubya (Palin 2012...YOU BETCHA!.)
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