Skip to comments.Elderly Viking Kitty with Diabetes
Posted on 01/04/2010 5:16:56 PM PST by Battle Axe
Miss Peach has been a Viking Kitty since I have been on Free Republic, but tonight she is in the hospital with severe diabetes.
Is there anyone else how has come across this problem?
What did you do and what was the outcome?
The sugar reading was 417. She will be 15 years old in 7 weeks.
You’ve stated something here that is very important, and everyone needs to pay attention: steroids can affect your pancreas, causing it to fail and the result is diabetes.
If you inform yourself as to what kind of needles to use, and learn to do it in a way that isn’t distressing to the cat, it’s not a hardship for the cat at all. I had a cat who lived to 21, with renal failure for the last 5 years and severe diabetes for the last 1.5. He LOVED getting his subcutaneous fluids every night. Took about 15 minutes, during which time he was lying on my bed getting combed and purring. If I was late with his fluids in the evening, he’d get up on the bed and lie down in the usual spot and meow to remind me. He never noticed the insulin shots — literally kept right on eating while I gave him the shot — I used the smallest gauge needle available.
Hi S And A! =^..^=
Two of the first four ingredients are corn...bad news. Cats do not eat corn in the wild...pet food manufacturers use corn for ONE reason; it is cheap and profitable...same reason they use corn syrup in human 'food'. The 'perfect food' is mice in a blender, but I'll stick with the 'pop top' cans... :-)
If you give the shot correctly, the cat never even knows it’s been given. Scruff the kitty, and give the shot at the back of the neck, the part where the mother cat grabs onto her kitten to carry it about. My vet taught us how to do this, and we gave our little diabetic kitty her insulin twice a day. She liked it, because to her, it just meant she got petted twice a day—she never felt the needle.
Our cat, Oslo, has had diabetes for 12+ years and we have learned a thing or two:
Cats can be tested on either a toe pad or the ear (we test Oslo on his toe, have never tried the ear). Our first ‘Vet’ told us we could NEVER - EVER! test our cat at home. Quack. We got a new vet.
Meters: we use a ReliOn from WalmMart - 1/2 the cost for supplies than any other brand. We use a Freestyle lancet - it has an adjustable depth - we go 5.5 which is max.
Food - VERY IMPORTANT! As others have mentioned there are great info sources like Feline Diabetes.org(?) (FD) which mention foods. We feed both dry and wet - wet in the AM - dry all as we have three cats and cannot feed twice a day
The dry food: Wellness makes ONE dry cat food called CORE which is ‘PUR’fect for diabetic cats. Really. It is meat in a dry form made by a patented process. All other dry foods can cause a problem.
Wet food: we use Fancy Feast: Gourmet Chicken, Turkey & Giblet Feast and Tender Beef Feast. All 100% safe. We found out about the wet food on the FD forum. And the cats seem to like it.
Insulin: the tricky part. Cats like a beef based insulin - Lente. It is now illegal and not made anywhere. Pity. Oslo liked it, so we had to change insulin and re-regulate him.
For some years we have been giving him a beef/pork insulin - PZI - but, alas it is now no longer made. We were planning to switch him over to Vetsilin this week,but our really good Vet told us that this, too, has been discontinued.
Humulin - R: NEVER USE THIS! It is extremely fast acting and is only used in emergencies in clinical settings.
Humulin -N: A possibility, but possibly too fast acting in a cat and not long enough in duration (for those human diabetics reading this, cats metabolize insulin twice as fast as humans, and its duration is 1/2 as fast as well.
ProZinc - 100% perfect for your cat, as it is the first insulin FDA approved for cats (WTF? why does cat insulin need this approval?) and costs,according to our Vet $125.00.
GLARGINE - This is what we are going to try next. Our Vet wants $150.00 per vial,but we are going to have her write us a prescription that we will fill at our Pharmacy for ‘Lantus’ - the same insulin branded for humans - link:
Note the statement in red at the bottom of the page - perhaps good news for you and your cat. It's about $100.00 per vial. A vial can last three months or more depending upon where your cat ‘settles in’ at.
All of our cat insulin has been u40, and the Lantus is u100 (means that there are 100 units in cc verses 40 units per cc. We'll use less.
Keep your insulin in the refrigerator and it will last for many months.
Good luck and please feel free to PM me with any questions you may have. I'll gladly attempt to answer them.
We have several cats and Blue Buffalo was the one food that they all could eat; it stopped one cat’s bloody stool, another threw up all the time and it seemed all had hair ball problems even when we added the malt for hairballs. Once we started them on Blue Buffalo, they all seemed much better and most of those symptoms went away completely.
Blue Buffalo is well worth the extra expense, especially if you have multiple cats.
News from the vet’s office is that she made it through the night.....that was not in question until they tried to get blood and she fought tooth and nail.
She is very grumpy with the staff.
WELL THAT IS A GOOD SIGN. SHE IS NORMALLY GRUMPY.
Our calico Ginger has been diabetic for a little over a year now. As many have said, its pretty easy to deal with. Give the shot while they’re feeding and they won’t even notice. Keep her on a fixed, low carb diet. Once you get her blood sugar normalized, it’ll simply be a matter of keeping an eye on her water intake and appetite. Either of those increase and you’ll probably need to adjust the dose. After a while I found I could tell by the smell of her urine. The ammonia smell will turn almost sweet.
You might want to get her checked for a pancreatic tumor. That turned out to be the cause of Ginger’s diabetes. Had we discovered it early surgery might have been a viable option, but by the time we found out it was to the point that surgery would have been really complicated, with a high probability that she wouldn’t survive. Since then we’ve just been keeping her comfortable until its time to put her down.
Thanks for the reply. I’ll look into it.
Thank you for the reply. I think I’m going to try Blue Buffalo canned in the morning and leave out the Royal Canin for free feed and see how they do. Neither has any health problems and are still young (6 1/2 and 16 mo.). They are both long-haired so they need the hairball control (especially the Ragdoll). I don’t like the idea of forcing petroleum products down them, if they can get what they need from the food.
Great! May she recover fully. (And grumpily.)
Thanks for the info. Here I thought I was giving them “the best”. What do you think about giving them canned once a day and then letting them free feed the Royal Canin the rest of the time? Neither have any health problems and are still young (6 1/2 yrs. and 16 mo.).
Many of us fall for the marketing...I have no idea how such a diet would affect your animals...all I can stand on is that the corn products are not good for them. You have to watch for corn and other unhealthy 'fillers'...
Thanks for your reply. I appreciate it. They do not have any health problems now (other than the occasional hairball) and I want to keep them that way. I am going to Petsmart today to get some Blue Buffalo canned to give them once a day. Do you think letting them continue on free feeding the dry Royal Canin would be harmful? They both like it a lot and I don’t know how they would respond to a change...it’s all they have ever eaten (outside of treats - which have always been freeze-dried chicken, salmon or bonita flakes).
Very succinct, erudite, pithy, accurate, and quite easy to remember.
Beats the heck out of taking years to commit to memory big old nasty texts about metabolism, endocrinology, nutrition, physiology, and lesser related tomes.
Those dang RD's* need to spend more time on the net.
My vet, who is a cat-only vet and who breeds Main Coon cats, has always said that a dry diet was fine. Guess like human doctors, they don’t always get nutritional training.
That is correct. You will note that many vets also sell the Science Diet line of foods...the dry foods contain corn products. Oops.
Cute. It should be obvious to anyone that my little formula is a blatant generalization, but most would agree that avoiding those products (along with sugars) would reduce your chances of developing diabetes...is that a guarantee? Of course not.
I’m glad she’s (grumpily) doing okay—I’m sorry you’re going through this. My grumpiest kitty was diagnosed with diabetes a couple of years ago. We give her an insulin injection twice a day, which she surprisingly doesn’t mind. We also switched her to gluten-free Fancy Feast, which she seems to like. She’s doing a lot better—her fur is thicker now, and she’s back to her playful-but-peevish self. :) Good luck—please keep us posted.
Here's my Ragdoll, Stella.
I apoligize for not seeing it for the blatant generalization you say it was.
Perhaps I should reread the entire thread and see if there are any more similar.
What a spectacularly beautiful kitty! Gorgeous!
She has a raging bladder infection which the vet said was common in diabetic cats. I have pills for that to start tomorrow.
She is surprisingly back to normal self. She meowed for her wet food and cleaned it up immediately. And has filled the potty box nicely. Now eating some dry food. Vet said to watch for not eating. Not this kitty.
There is very little damage to the liver and kidneys at this point. We need to get the bad bladder infection under control and we are to start our pills tomorrow a.m.
When she is full, I'll put her on the arm of the recliner and get out the comb.
We will cherish our time together.
Bad news is that I fell downs the stairs and have a swollen wrist, there is freezing rain outside and I barely made it home with kitty. We saw one accident were the guy missed a telephone pole by inches.
>>> “They are both long-haired so they need the hairball control (especially the Ragdoll). I dont like the idea of forcing petroleum products down them, if they can get what they need from the food.”
No need for force. Smear it onto their fur. They’ll clean it off & ingest it.
thnx... she thinks so, too!;o)
Your week is not starting out too well, is it? I hope you and kitteh are all better soon. Turn up the heat and have some hot chocolate and love on your baby.
Just in case, there is a canned food that would meet your requirements.
It is WELLNESS Chicken Formula (Grain Free). Kind of spendy @ $2.50 per 12.5 OZ can, but it is keeping my elderly Japanese Bobtail alive and she doesn’t eat a great deal (little cat, 6 lbs.). The other eight cats eat EVO or the Ancestors Diet, both supposedly grain-free kibble.
Ok...I got some canned and dry of the Blue Buffalo. I’ll give then some canned in the a.m. and mix the dry in with their Royal Canin and wean them off the RC. That should work. Thanks again for the advice. Only what’s best for my kids!
Sure..easy for you to say. We smeared some on Stella's paw (Parmamalt(sp)?) one morning and what she couldn't shake off she wore around all day until it dried out. I finally wiped it off that night so it wouldn't get on the bed. LOL. She IS stubborn!
Then when I looked up cat food recipes, they seemed to make some of the same mistakes. Lots of organ meat means an imbalance of something else. Can't remember with this wrist.
Why can't we buy a whole chicken, a whole fish and then scramble some eggs and cook it all down and make our own. I've never seen any of my cats in the garden eating the peas.
The Freeper who said he hadn't chased his cat out of the corn patch gave me the idea......
Wow, that IS stubborn! I stand corrected. :o)
There is another way though I found to administer the parmamalt and that is to put about an inch on the end of your index finger, grab their face at the jaw, open the mouth and insert the goo between the cheek and teeth. They can't spit it out!!! This is a good way to give any liquid or semi-liquid, but to give a pill, you just have to get it as far in the back of the mouth as possible. I hate disturbing them so if I can get the same benefit from the food, I will.
I remember the comedian, Gallagher, used to have a routine about this. He said you finally find something your cat likes so you go and buy a case, then you make the mistake of letting them see it in the cupboard, then nooo, they don’t like Kitty Vitty anymore, they want Tasty Kitty.
Then I thought, you know, if I was a cat I wouldn’t want the same thing all the time. I’d like a little variety. But then I thought, nah, look where they lick. I think they should make butt flavored cat food, or mouse, or lizard. Did your cat ever bring you home a TUNA???
They do like what is Forbidden. I have found loaves of bread with graw marks all along the top of the loaf, right through the plastic. They didn’t really want it, but they did want to make sure they didn’t want it.
I have a cat only vet as well. She says that in vet school there is only a very small percentage of time devoted to feline nutrition and even then it comes from the pet food companies. Their reps are the ones giving the lectures about diet.
Since vets have so much to learn about many different types of animals, they don't spend much time on such a small area.
A dry food diet is not the best for an obligate carnivore. If it was, they would feed it to lions and tigers as it would cost less than meat.
A good book about feline nutrition has been written by Elizabeth Hodgekins. She holds the patent for one of the Purina dry food formulas. Since that patent, she now advocates a wet food only diet. Worth checking out.
Thanks for the info. We’re never to old to learn!
Love it!!! We came home one time and Stella had a peach sticker stuck to her chin. She was just walking around oblivious. I looked in the fruit bowl and, sure enough, there was a peach with a tiny little bite out of it where the sticker was! Yet she had this innocent look on her face like, “What peach, I didn’t bother no peach!”. LOL
We also have to be careful with our new guy Beaux, he will eat anything off the floor, edible or not, he will at least taste it.
I learned a lifetime of info from my little diabetic. He's crossed over the Rainbow Bridge now (from other causes) but he sure taught me a lot!
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