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Interesting Discussion Brewing With "Transgendered" People
Notoriously Conservative ^ | 01 05 10 | Notoriously Conservative

Posted on 01/05/2010 9:07:52 AM PST by Notoriously Conservative

It looks like I got my finger in the hornets nest, while voicing my opinion on Obama's appointing of a transgendered man, woman, man... Anyway, some people have taken offense, and an interesting discussion is brewing in the comments section. If your interested, you can voice your opinion here: http://www.notoriouslyconservative.com/2010/01/obama-appoints-shemale.html

tgnonsense said... It appears the author has some how confused true transsexualism with the GLBT homosexual movement and chosen to merge the two as if they are one. It may come as a surprise that true transsexualism has been medically recognized for the last fifty years or so. For all but roughly the past 10 years there was never an issue with transsexualism, either from the political far right or far left. That changed with the advent of the “transgender” construct in the mid to late 1990s when drag queens, crossdressers, transvestites, and even some gay transsexuals were colonized by the gay rights movement…the GLB became the GLBT.

Some of the most conservative states in the union have long since acknowledged the legitimacy of true transsexuals. Arizona, in 1966, was the first state to allow post operative transsexuals the right to change their birth certificate. In 1968, Louisiana (not exactly known as a bastion of liberalism) also passed legislation allowing for post op transsexuals to change their birth certificate...the 1968 Louisiana law was passed specifically so that post operative transsexuals could legally enter into heterosexual marriage. And, what may be even more surprising to the author, the 1968 Louisiana birth certificate legislation was written, presented, and sponsored by the same legislator who 38 years later wrote the legislation constitutionally banning same sex marriage in Louisiana. Clearly the Louisiana legislature, along with the law makers in all but four other states, both conservative and liberal, have recognized the difference between a medical gender issue (transsexualism), and a social/moral sexual orientation one (homosexuality).

Most post operative true transsexuals transition, have their surgery, and then quietly merge into the mainstream. We are anything but “out and proud”. We live exceedingly normal lives. We work, and are productive. We marry, legally. We want neither fan fare nor publicity. The majority of us are heterosexual and do not support the GLBT…many if not most of us want no special legislative protection. There was a medical issue that was corrected by surgery and, once done, we go off they go to live our lives. Most of the time, those who interact with us have no clue as to our medical history or past.

I’ve worked for three of the top five integrated oil companies in the world…three of the top five process engineering firms on the planet…and four of the top ten EPC firms here in the States. None of these firms had a clue to my past and, as I’m sure you know, all of these companies were most conservative.

I realize that there are political buzz topics, but it aids one’s credibility if they have the facts rights; not doing so hints of ignorance on a subject “the heartland” is more informed of.

January 5, 2010 7:38 AM compashun-any1 said... What an ignorant screed. Transsexualism is a naturally occurring birth condition. One characterized by a brain-body mismatch. And like people with birth conditions, transsexual people have the right to fix theirs. If you would like to read a summary of the SCIENTIFIC FACTS I can recommend the “Gender Basics” section on this webpage:

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TS.html#anchor107763

Did you know that transsexualism is recognized as a MEDICAL (not psychological) condition by the Amercan Medical Association?:

http://www.tgender.net/taw/ama_resolutions.pdf

Not only that they support treating transsexual people by assisting them to transition (aka “sex change”) to living as their identified gender. The recommend the internationally recognized Standards of Care as a guideline for the transition process:

http://www.wpath.org/documents2/socv6.pdf

Transition is a long, expensive, medically monitored process. Nobody transitions overnight. For example the transition of somebody I know quite well took 4.5 years and about $80,000.

Your weak argument (I will refrain from calling it slander) sounds very similar to the ones used to support slavery, against immigrants, deny women the right to vote, against desegregation, against inter-racial marriage and more. History will depict you in a not so flattering light of a prejudiced bigot. Is that what you want? If not I suggest you become a little more familiar with the information in the links above, especially the first one.

It’s the 21st century folks; time to start acting like it.

January 5, 2010 8:00 AM Zoe Brain said... There is another issue. Even if the biological and medical facts about cross-sexed neurology and intersex conditions are beyond you. Or if you don't believe in any of that "Science" stuff if it isn't in the Good Book:

Lefties generally, but also far too many people on the Right don’t take matters of National Security seriously.

The Job this gal is taking on involves making sure US technology that can be useful for making advanced weaponry – or Furby dolls – doesn’t fall into the wrong hands. It requires absolutely the best possible person for the job, with extensive experience in defence technology, or one day a US city is going to be froth on top of a mushroom cloud.

I remind you of her qualifications: "Simpson has more than 30 years of experience in the aerospace and defense industry, most recently serving as Deputy Director in Advanced Technology Development at Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, Arizona. ... She also holds degrees in physics, engineering and business administration along with an extensive flight background. She is a certified flight instructor and test pilot with 20 years of experience."

How many Rocket Scientists with 30 years experience in defence areas do you know, who have degrees in both Engineering and Business Administration as well as Physics? Ones who are available right now?

I know of one who comes close... another Rocket Scientist with 30 years defence experience. But she's Intersexed in an unusual way, and "transitioned" from looking male to looking female just as Ms Simpson did. The same atypical neurology characteristic of "Harry Benjamin's Syndrome" is found in other, similar Intersex conditions you see. It often bestows certain talents, so many end up with multiple degrees and extensive experience in defence-related areas.

Professor Lynn Conway, former head of the Defence Strategic Computing Initiative for example. She transitioned some time ago.

Or Dr Stephanie Langhoff, Chief Scientist at NASA's Ames Research Centre. She transitioned too.

If you are to hire the best people for positions vital to US National Security... you're pretty much guaranteed to get some women who are transsexual.

Oh by the way - calling a woman a "she-male" is like calling a Black American a "n1gger". It reflects more poorly on the caller than the callee.

January 5, 2010 9:54 AM


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; transgendered

1 posted on 01/05/2010 9:07:53 AM PST by Notoriously Conservative
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To: Notoriously Conservative

Question we have to ask ourselves is, why would the Obamination associate himself with homosexual radicals and transgender individuals?


2 posted on 01/05/2010 9:10:47 AM PST by ezfindit (ConservativeDatingSite.com - The Right Place for Conservative Singles)
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To: Notoriously Conservative

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2421275/posts


3 posted on 01/05/2010 9:15:33 AM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: Notoriously Conservative

“Interesting Discussion Brewing With “Transgendered” People”
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wtf does all this have to do w/”brewing”....?????


4 posted on 01/05/2010 9:16:20 AM PST by gunnyg (Just An Old Gunny ~ And *Still* Not A F'n Commie Basterd!)
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To: Notoriously Conservative

5 posted on 01/05/2010 9:16:40 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: ezfindit
Question we have to ask ourselves is, why would the Obamination associate himself with homosexual radicals and transgender individuals?

Barry has stated that it is his goal to 'fundamentally change' America.

This is just part of his agenda.

6 posted on 01/05/2010 9:16:53 AM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: Notoriously Conservative

There is nothing the least bit interesting in discussing this matter.


7 posted on 01/05/2010 9:16:57 AM PST by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: Notoriously Conservative
The word "transgendered" implies something that is a biological impossibility, at least with current medical technology.

Irrespective of what you cut-off or add-on, or what hormones you artificially increase or minimize, it is a genetic impossibility to "change" your gender. Gender is hard-coded into our DNA; you either have an extra chromosome, or you don't. It's that simple.

8 posted on 01/05/2010 9:17:49 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Notoriously Conservative

This issues is like kit cars. They somwhat look like the real thing but never will be. You can take a piece of junk Fiero and put a "Lambo" body on it but it will ALWAYS be a Fiero.

It's simply not true that when you cut a guys wanger off there is a hidden vag vag behind it connected to ovaries etc. just waiting to be used thus turning George in to Georgette. The opposite is true too. If a woman has an addadictomie she ain't a he.

9 posted on 01/05/2010 9:18:59 AM PST by isthisnickcool (GIVE ME YOUR MONEY B***!! - President Obama)
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To: ezfindit
Question we have to ask ourselves is, why would the Obamination associate himself with homosexual radicals and transgender individuals?

Because his worldview is one of victim and oppressor. Either he actually believes this leftist doctrine, or, like all aspirants to tyranny, exploits the seductive charms of victim/oppressor language to gain political power.

And... btw... changing a person's anatomy isn't a cure for underlying psychological trauma.

10 posted on 01/05/2010 9:19:40 AM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: ezfindit
"Question we have to ask ourselves is, why would the Obamination associate himself with homosexual radicals and transgender individuals?"

Since the vast majority don't have kids, they often have alot of extra cash on hand for election campaign contributions.

11 posted on 01/05/2010 9:19:53 AM PST by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: OldDeckHand

That should have been extra “X” chromosome, not “extra” chromosome. Sometimes the fingers don’t type what the mind tells them.


12 posted on 01/05/2010 9:20:03 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand; mbarker12474
Irrespective of what you cut-off or add-on, or what hormones you artificially increase or minimize, it is a genetic impossibility to "change" your gender. Gender is hard-coded into our DNA; you either have an X chromosome, or you don't. It's that simple.

And... btw... changing a person's anatomy isn't a cure for underlying psychological trauma.

I had a long time friend who "changed."

The rationalizations for changing were full of errors and I only have disdain for the shrink that filled his head with falsities and egged him on.

No matter how many hormones he takes and how he disfigures himself he will always have XY.

13 posted on 01/05/2010 9:32:28 AM PST by A message
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To: pissant

rupaul is a drag queen (man who is gay and dresses like a woman)
transgenders start life as one gender and surgically proceed to become a different gender.
totally different really.


14 posted on 01/05/2010 9:32:35 AM PST by madamemayhem (defeat isn't getting knocked down, it's not getting back up)
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To: ezfindit
Because he's as much of a disciple of Antonio Gramsci as he is of Saul Alinksy.
15 posted on 01/05/2010 9:32:42 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: All

I hate to be overly simplistic, and usually I’m not, but.... if you were born with a penis, you’re a male. ‘Nuff said.


16 posted on 01/05/2010 9:34:29 AM PST by awakened (January 20, 2013 -- The end of an error.)
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To: Lockbar

They blow through more money in bars and restaurants than most people do on children. When you factor in the drugs and clothes, there’s very little money left over for campaign contributions.


17 posted on 01/05/2010 9:35:27 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: madamemayhem

On the contrary, toots. The Pink Mafia and their allies in Communist Party (democrats) have defined transgender as whatever gender you identify with on any given day.

You are fooling yourself and carrying these commie’s water to pretend it is limited to some hard science dysfunction that readily diagnosed, accepted, then corrected by an Addadicktome or Lopadickoffme.


18 posted on 01/05/2010 9:38:44 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: ezfindit
Question we have to ask ourselves is, why would the Obamination associate himself with homosexual radicals and transgender individuals activists?


For this case - fixed it...

19 posted on 01/05/2010 9:40:43 AM PST by az_gila (AZ - one Governor down... we don't want her back...)
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To: Notoriously Conservative

Frankly I don’t care what this person had cut off or sewn on. If they can do the job, fine - it’s none of my business.

Now, if they can’t do the job and the primary reason was that they were hired for a political purpose, then I’ve got a right to criticize regardless of what that political purpose was.


20 posted on 01/05/2010 9:44:04 AM PST by RonF
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To: Notoriously Conservative

Why is surgery to make the body conform to the mind acceptable, but psychological treatment to make the mind conform to the body unacceptable?

SnakeDoc


21 posted on 01/05/2010 9:45:42 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Ask not for a lighter burden, but for broader shoulders ...)
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To: pissant
"...Addadicktome or Lopadickoffme..."

I can only assume these procedures will be covered by Obamacare.

22 posted on 01/05/2010 9:47:27 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Especially since these are problems of the mind to start with.


23 posted on 01/05/2010 9:47:40 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: OldDeckHand

If I had some time to argue, I’d join in on the “discussion” over there, but I do not. I’ve argued with those people for years, and trust me, you simply cannot get through to them.. You ask them for proof, incontrovertible, of their claims, and they point you to websites that offer no proof.. Sure it all sounds good, and intellectual and all, but the fact of the matter is that there is NO, zero, nada evidence, scientific or otherwise, that identifies homosexuality, transgenderism as genetically based. When they say; well you must hate blacks too, or women, you can argue that blacks, and women cannot change their disposition, it is immutable. Their disposition is innate. Sexuality is behavior-based, much like which foods we enjoy, or not, outside of any basic instincts to procreate, we choose how, and with whom we do it.

It is not bigotry to continue a position in the absence of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. It is not racist, it is not hatred, at least not on my part, it is the simple fact that the homosexual agenda is, and has been trying to politically redefine perversion for the last 40 years.. Homosexual sex, and transgenderism, is on the same level of alcoholism, and fetishism.

When they argue that; well, it doesn’t harm you, or your marriage, (A favorite of mine), you can agree, it does not harm you, or your marriage directly, in fact, it doesn’t harm any consenting adult. The problem however, is that, like smoking, or drinking alcohol, it isn’t the adult we need to worry about. Our prefrontal cortex is fully mature. It’s the little ones we need to protect from this insanity.. Also remember that fundamental societal changes happen over long periods of time, the measuring of their consequences is equally difficult. But by then it’s too late. The homosexual lobby understands this truism concerning their plight, one would do themselves, and their country a favor by NOT ever forgetting that one should never give in to what is observably, and demonstrateably inconsistent with human design.

Tim-


24 posted on 01/05/2010 9:54:12 AM PST by D521646
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To: SnakeDoctor

“Why is surgery to make the body conform to the mind acceptable, but psychological treatment to make the mind conform to the body unacceptable?”

clap,clap,clap


25 posted on 01/05/2010 9:56:41 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: D521646

Good post. Homosexuality and transgenderism and all the assorted alphabet sexualities are disorders. If someone wants to proclaim their disorder as “normal/typical”, that is their business.

But to allow children to be raised in homes where the parents are intentionally male/male, female/female, etc., denies them their right to the best case child rearing environment- that of having a mother AND a father.

But libs don’t care about children. They only care about themselves.


26 posted on 01/05/2010 10:01:16 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: pissant

see here is where you went wrong in the first place.
my name is not toots. it is mayhem. get it right.
second i am not carrying water for anyone. the fact is the glb pink mafia and commie idiots have tried to boil it all together and make it a depravity soup even though some ingredients do not belong. most transgender persons are NOT homo. yes they are sadly mentally ill. if they were treated properly they would not desecrate their temple and would in fact be much happier. however for whatever reason, the “establishment” of psych treatment for this disorder is to tell them they are ill because they are trapped in the wrong gendered body and surgical reassignment is the only way to “cure” them. this, in my opinion, is a tragic case of severe malpractice on the part of psychiatric practitioners. why blame the “she-males” for following doctors recommendation without realizing that the so called doctor is a quack who should be in prison. you, however, are helping the quacks, pinkos, and commies by continuing to put people with a mental illness in the same catagory with people who choose sexual depravity.


27 posted on 01/05/2010 10:21:55 AM PST by madamemayhem (defeat isn't getting knocked down, it's not getting back up)
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To: A message

Agreed 100%. I know someone who went through the “transformation”. The “therapist” who helped “guide him through the journey” was so full of it that it was sickening. As you said, the rationalizations were ridiculous. All the underlying issues are still there, btw, completely untouched.


28 posted on 01/05/2010 12:13:38 PM PST by greatplains
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To: awakened

Amen to that!Also,a woman who”becomes”a man isn’t a man.This whole thing blows my mind.


30 posted on 01/11/2010 3:21:43 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Blessed Be The Name Of The Lord,For His Name Alone Is Exaulted)
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