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Disturbed by Beck, O'Reilly and Breitbart
www.wnd.com ^ | February 11, 2010 | Floyd & Mary Beth Brown

Posted on 02/11/2010 8:53:38 AM PST by Britt0n

On the issue of constitutional eligibility, we are embarrassed that these smart men, whom we admire, are either unwilling or too arrogant to look closely at these serious issues. Instead they attack others for having the audacity to ask questions – questions they normally would ask if they had their facts correct.

We are big fans of Glenn Beck on Fox News; we DVR his show every day. We have been following the career of Andrew Breitbart since his news website began being linked by Matt Drudge years ago. Bill O'Reilly is an institution on Fox News, and we both have appeared on "The Factor." We appreciate the frank and lively discussions that usually grace his show.

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1 posted on 02/11/2010 8:53:39 AM PST by Britt0n
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To: Britt0n

Beck excoriated Medina on the Radio because she refused to disavow 911 truthers.

Nothing else matters to Beck.


2 posted on 02/11/2010 8:59:55 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (Clever tag line can only be seen on the other Internets.)
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To: Britt0n

The only way the BC issue will be used to oust Obama is if the hard left grow tired of him and he gets off his leash, then expect the MSM to go wild with it. They probably hold far more evidence than we have ever known about. Their goal will be to replace a old worn out leftist with another fresh leftist that is loyal to them.

I know it sucks, but the truth of the matter sometimes does.


3 posted on 02/11/2010 9:00:30 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Britt0n

I too have been disappointed for some time that Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly and Beck have not more seriously pursued the ineligibility of Obama. I believe that maybe they do not want to be associated with what they believe to be a fringe issue. It is at best highly suspicious that Obama refuses to disclose any documentation of his past life. I believe his natural born citizenship is an absolutely critical matter because if Obama shouldn’t be President then all these problems he’s caused are unnecesary and were avoidable.
Does the fact that a Saudi prince owns part of FNC have anything to do with it?


4 posted on 02/11/2010 9:05:09 AM PST by klb99 (I now understand why the South seceeded)
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To: Britt0n

Birtherism is just a distraction. A way for commie libs to divide us. An issue which has no end, no “proof” to satisfy any side. It is pointless and a waste of time.


5 posted on 02/11/2010 9:06:23 AM PST by montag813
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To: Britt0n; SunkenCiv; Nachum
Oh come off it, folks --- these people are NOT journalists, they aren't even "newsreaders" --- they simply are examples of the Cult of Celebrity in modernday America.

WHO cares what Glenn Beck thinks or says, he's absolutely ridiculous, and lost whatever credibility he had during his stupid JEALOUSY-induced commentary about Senator Scott Brown and the Brown Daughters.

Breibart? Huh? Some EX-employee of the Drudge Report who chortles off sexist remarks in front of Governor Palin AND her young daughter? WHO cares what some ex-Net Newssite employee thinks??

O'REILLY??? That ridiculous megalomaniac blowhard narcissist???? Yet another sexist creep, this one who talks dirty to his staff???

Next I'm goona read that I should care what CReeeep-0 David Letterman thinks/says/breathes, etc.

Does anyone here seriously care what these OPRAH-wannabees think/say/do/emote????

6 posted on 02/11/2010 9:06:48 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: SvenMagnussen

A KOOK is a KOOK. Eventually they are outed. The sooner the better.


7 posted on 02/11/2010 9:07:07 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: taraytarah

ping


8 posted on 02/11/2010 9:08:33 AM PST by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: Britt0n
FTA: ...over 40 percent of the births in Hawaii that year (1961) took place at home.

I did no know that before. As for the rest of the article, I agree with all she has stated. There are many questions, and none have been answered.

9 posted on 02/11/2010 9:15:12 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Matchett-PI

I’m not from Texas, but I thought Medina sounded reasonable and was worth a closer look.

Beck was dismissive on a single issue.


10 posted on 02/11/2010 9:15:32 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (Clever tag line can only be seen on the other Internets.)
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To: Britt0n

I give Breitbart a break on this. He just made the point that the birther issue is probably not good politics. That is arguable. OTOH, O’Reilly and Beck are just dead wrong.


11 posted on 02/11/2010 9:27:37 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: SvenMagnussen

My problem with the whole citizenship movement - is that it strikes me as a diversion from our strongest case against Obama - which is - he is a socialist/marxist, American hating, arrogant liar who is hell bent on destroying the American Idea of freedom and limited government.

Isn’t that enough to get rid of him in 2012 - which would be quicker than a court case?

Am I wrong on this?


12 posted on 02/11/2010 9:30:07 AM PST by pkmaine
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To: Britt0n

Since everyone says the birth certificate is a “waste of time,” go after everything else. He has every single record under lock and key. Its a legitimize argument. He has records hidden that anyone running for presidents normally releases.

Why are his other hidden records not talked about?? Why is that also off limits? All we need is just one or two records released and his finished.


13 posted on 02/11/2010 9:39:43 AM PST by roving
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To: montag813

Oh, there is PROOF. It’s just that with the state of Hawaii being 90% left wing liberals, we are never going to see the proof. If they refuse to release the records, how in hell can you say there is no proof?


14 posted on 02/11/2010 10:10:50 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“over 40 percent of the births in Hawaii that year (1961) took place at home.

I did no know that before. “

That’s because it’s flagrantly false. In 1961, 99.3% of nonwhite births in Hawaii were born in hospitals, with physicians attending. [p. I-31 in http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf]. There were 12,198 non-white births in Hawaii that year [p. 2-14, same source], so this would mean a grand total of 85 such non-hospital births.

This obviously doesn’t mean that Obama could not have been one of them, but the credibility of those claiming Obama is not a citizen is seriously undercut every time they toss out an absurd statistic whose falsity can be so easily verified. I’ve seen elsewhere that only 14 non-hospital births were recorded in Honolulu that year: I can’t vouch for the exact accuracy of this figure, but it is certainly consistent with the 85 statewide total figure, as I’m guessing the lion’s share of non-hospital births would have occurred in more remote areas where getting to the hospital was more difficult.


15 posted on 02/11/2010 10:19:25 AM PST by DrC
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To: SvenMagnussen
I am from Texas, and personally I don't want any person in office, via my support, that even remotely believes there are "un-answered" questions if or not the US Government was involved in the murdering of 3000 people on 911.

I listened to the interview and Mrs. Medina equivocated more than once. Too RonPaulian for my taste, but perhaps that is just me!

16 posted on 02/11/2010 10:26:27 AM PST by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: DrC
“over 40 percent of the births in Hawaii that year (1961) took place at home.

I did no know that before. “

“That’s because it’s flagrantly false. In 1961, 99.3% of nonwhite births in Hawaii were born in hospitals, with physicians attending. There were 12,198 non-white births in Hawaii that year [p. 2-14, same source], so this would mean a grand total of 85 such non-hospital births.”

And not to ruin anyone’s day, but that's why the media figures you excoriate don't take this seriously. On one hand, they see a pretty straight forward story explaining Obama’s birth. On the other hand, they see a group of people not investigating anything, but starting from the proposition that Obama simply can't be President and straining desperately to craft that case, which is why so many known false "factoids" keep circulating in these threads.

17 posted on 02/11/2010 10:28:49 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: hennie pennie

Very few people around here will agree with you, but I happen to be one.


18 posted on 02/11/2010 10:33:05 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer
Hi stormer!

These three individuals remind me of the glitzy attention given to the likes of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton and Tila Tequila -- y.a.w.n. . . . WHO cares???

LOL

19 posted on 02/11/2010 10:38:38 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: DrC

Thank you for the correction. It sounded odd to me, although the rest of that article rings true, from what I have read.


20 posted on 02/11/2010 10:39:29 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: roving

Because you can question his policies but do not question his faith, nor for that matter his citizenship. You can’t state it any more plainly than that. O’Reilly, Beck and the rest are reached. Compromised.


21 posted on 02/11/2010 10:45:43 AM PST by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: DrC

Malcom X was the father of Obama via rape ritual set up by Frank Marshall Davis at the Bohemian Grove.


22 posted on 02/11/2010 10:49:53 AM PST by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: klb99
Does the fact that a Saudi prince owns part of FNC have anything to do with it?

More than likely the reason for your disappointment in Rush, Hannity, O'Really and Beck is due to the fact that all of them have the sense to realize that if the Government of Kenya produced films of Obama's birth in a Mombassa hospital along with depositions from a dozen officials who attended the birth, it would make NO difference to his eligibility for the US Presidency.

Nobody in any branch of our Gov't is going to remove him under any circumstances. That's a given. We abandoned the Constitution long before he came along.

23 posted on 02/11/2010 11:27:05 AM PST by penowa
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To: klb99
We can't look to the media for much support on this subject. There is great fear. Those who dare speak out will be marginalized and mocked. We citizens should demand our states pass a law requiring the presentation of a legitimate, long copy, birth certificate in order to be placed on a state ballot. That would settle the matter for once and for all.
24 posted on 02/11/2010 11:39:19 AM PST by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: fish hawk
If they refuse to release the records, how in hell can you say there is no proof?

What is your answer to the announcements in the Hawaii newspapers? More importantly, what do you think the majority of the American electorate would say o a candidiate who espoused Birther claims, having been made aware of those ads?

This issue is a loser. Period.

25 posted on 02/11/2010 3:47:12 PM PST by montag813
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To: montag813
I've lived here for 40 plus years and don't believe a damn thing the papers say. Don't argue with me about this. This state, the politicians, the news papers and everything else here is in the tank for Obama. This happened several years ago. It came out that a gal that cut Daniel Inouye’s hair claimed that he put his hand up here dress while cutting his hair and fondled her. A week later another woman came out with a similar statement. The heads of the Democratic party came out and ask to delete all articles about this infraction and from that day until today there is no record of it and no one talks about it. It happened at about the same time that the Senator from Oregon (can't remember his name) was removed form office for doing just about the same thing. He was a Republican as you can guess. It's called POWER my friend and who you know.
26 posted on 02/11/2010 4:38:07 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: montag813
This issue is only a loser of it gets buried and forgotten but if proof of some kind turns up in the next few years, believe me it is not a loser.
27 posted on 02/11/2010 4:40:20 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: LucyT

ping


28 posted on 02/11/2010 5:12:32 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: Britt0n

bump


29 posted on 02/11/2010 5:16:35 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: tutstar; ichabod1; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; rxsid; ...
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Article, then #22 and #26.

#22 is a comment from someone who is not on The Ping List.

[Thanks, tutstar.]

30 posted on 02/11/2010 6:34:59 PM PST by LucyT
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To: hennie pennie

:’)


31 posted on 02/11/2010 6:47:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: pkmaine

What if we cant survive until 2012 in the financial sense?Then what? Some things you just cant unscrew.


32 posted on 02/11/2010 6:52:44 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: LucyT

I think #22 repeats a theory that I was guilty of posting on a thread a while back from some obscure blog. I didn’t intend to imply that it was factual. I did think that it was at least amusing. And, considering the persons involved, at least remotely possible.

But until obama releases his actual records—assuming that they still exist somewhere and have not all been burned and shredded, we really don’t know who he is, who is father is, where he was born, or anything else.

I don’t see why those huge gaps in our knowledge should be simply ignored, or why he should be given a free pass to hide virtually his entire life from public view. Nor do I think that the DNC or the various Secretaries of State should have signed off on him until he offered some real proof of citizenship, let alone natural born citizenship.

It’s quite possible that our courts and congress will continue to shuffle off their responsibility to look into this matter, which has become like a huge black hole in our rule of law. Half the country now doubts whether Obama was properly qualified to be POTUS. This is not a healthy situation.

But in any case, I fail to see why insisting that he prove his bona fides is damaging to the conservative cause, or why it distracts from pursuing other courses of action. Anything that throws doubt on his legitimacy is worth pursuing, whether it is asking to see his records or simply making fun of his incredible incompetence and stupidity, or his willingness to lie at the drop of a hat, or his sick love of himself and himself alone.


33 posted on 02/11/2010 6:54:13 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: penowa

That’s the spirit! Wave the white flag high, before the battle even begins!


34 posted on 02/11/2010 6:59:08 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: InterceptPoint

It’s only “not good politics” as long as the news/talk etc guys refuse to touch it.

Once they cover it, it becomes useful politics. Breitbart, Rush etc are the ones making it “not good politics”.


35 posted on 02/11/2010 7:01:05 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: hennie pennie

All of this is true, Hennie Pennie. Nevertheless, a lot of people still watch what these people are doing. And saying and talking about.


36 posted on 02/11/2010 7:02:00 PM PST by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--more than three years now -- But I think about it every day.)
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To: ichabod1

Evidence?


37 posted on 02/11/2010 7:02:16 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: fish hawk

I agree. For the record, I, too, would like to know what he’s hiding and why. But, I’ll have to defend Beck, Breitbart and O’Reilly in this matter. They don’t have any more proof than any of us do, so, why lose credibility over the issue? Having said that, to say that birthers are nuts and kooks is out of line as well.

The only people who know the truth are zero and his minions who are hiding things from the American public.

Someday, it will come to light and I h ope the sooner the better.


38 posted on 02/11/2010 7:06:09 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: LucyT

FREE THE BC!...


39 posted on 02/11/2010 7:07:42 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: tired_old_conservative

What’s the source on that?

Please take a look at the information at my blog, starting with http://www.butterdezillion.wordpress.com and then click on the link at the end of the post to get to the real meat of the evidence we’ve got. There’s MUCH that most people don’t know, and if they were aware of the criminal elements already documented they would realize that at least for some of us, this has little to do with Obama and everything in the world to do with having a nation that enforces the law.


40 posted on 02/11/2010 7:24:17 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: ichabod1

Where did you come up with that?


41 posted on 02/11/2010 7:26:14 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: montag813

We have proof of a lot of foul play. See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/

The jury is still out on the birth announcements in the papers. You’ll either hear more on that, or not. lol.


42 posted on 02/11/2010 7:26:52 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: penowa

And you’re just going to hand over the keys to the nation without a fight?

As Theoden said in “Return of the King” when told that too few Rohanians had come to defeat Mordor - that they could not win. He said, “No, we cannot. But we will meet them in battle nonetheless.”

If wanting the laws enforced is a losing issue with the American people, then there is no hope for this country. I don’t think we’re there yet. I think our battle is to get the facts out so people know what the issue is really about. I think we have even worse than a usual time with that because the conservative talkers have also had the snot threatened out of them. Hannity and Beck have little kids they don’t want to lose. Those guys are like soldiers filmed saying they’re being treated well. What are their other options when they’ve got a gun pointed at their gut off-camera? See http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13373


43 posted on 02/11/2010 7:32:39 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: fish hawk; LucyT
It happened at about the same time that the Senator from Oregon (can't remember his name) was removed form office for doing just about the same thing.

Packwood leaves congress

Senate urged to probe Packwood allegations

November 24, 1992 - Women's groups and Oregon Democrats yesterday called on the Senate ethics committee to investigate allegations from 10 women that Sen. Bob Packwood (R-Ore.) made unwelcome sexual advances to them. There also were calls for Packwood's resignation.

44 posted on 02/11/2010 8:25:37 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: GraceG

I really believe you have a point Grace. I’ve been terribley discouraged by both Beck and O’Reilly on the birth issue but on the other hand I also feel that they are under “some kind” of pressure. It doesn’t excuse the excoriating part but Beck, in particular is a really good man. He gets it. He’s on the money all the time and yet “this issue” is such a stickler. I feel like there is definitely something behind all of this. The owners of the networks have been threatened that they will be taken off the air if they mention this. This has GOT to be a GLOBALIST backed thing. It is something that even they cannot fight. Beck in particular wants to get his message out and if the network shuts down well...... there will be Keith Olberman and Chris (the spit machine) mathews. YUK. CO


45 posted on 02/11/2010 8:39:37 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: montag813

It is certainly not pointless/ The TRUTH can never be pointless. There is an absolute reason why Obama continues to FIGHT to keep himself a BLANK SLATE. Since when has Wmerica ever elected a Blank Slate as their Commander in Chief??? This is totally unbelieveable. There is a whole lot more to this thing than folks want to admit. But it is America and her people that will have to decide, whether they are going to allow this abomination and usurpation of absolute power to go on or whether they will rise up and take back control. ALL branches of government are subject to the PEOPLE under that little document called “The Constitution”. Exercise it or be taken over and RULED. And ruled by tyrants. I guess the choice will be known before long. My American cousins and their families are going nuts. They want to rise up. But too many folk are depending on the mid-term elections and the ballot box. What a sorry mistake. Obama will create a crisis long before that. That election will likely never take place. Laugh if you want. But something BIG is going to happen. Perhaps they are rigging the election now or they are arranging legislation to change “election laws”. One way or another, Obama will NOT ALLOW HIS puppets to be reoved from office. Y’all will see. CO


46 posted on 02/11/2010 8:50:46 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: fish hawk

I believe you fish hawk! The one thing I will say is that last year in Mexico I met a “couple” that were my sister and brother in laws friends from Oregon. They were like little children when the inauguaration took place. I was sickened. They would listen to nothing. They acted like they were celebrating the second coming. I couldn’t take it. I made my points known that’s for sure but they were in heaven. I hope they are rueing hat day now. If not, they soon will be. CO


47 posted on 02/11/2010 8:59:06 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: penowa

I’m surprised at your reasoning penowa. I know you from another thread. You really are surprising me here. I thought you would react quite differently . CO


48 posted on 02/11/2010 9:02:38 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: penowa

I agree. They aren’t going to remove him. It would be too chaotic, cause mass hysteria and make us look like complete and utter fools to the rest of the world. However, I think he will not run again and they won’t allow it if he does. That is when he will be exposed if he tries it.


49 posted on 02/11/2010 9:19:48 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: SvenMagnussen

It’s the O’bigmouth’s influence on Beck.

Andrew...he’s our next Andrew Sullivan. His girly hormones are out of wack when he has to deal with people in his circle he disagrees with - who are “beneath his wonderfulness”. Worse, his disagreement it toally emotional; not based on logic and fact from an honest study of the question.

What does it serve Beck and Andrew to berate and demonize a large portion of the base? Hormones or drugs for Andrew and for Beck it is the hope of riding on O’Dummy’s coattails at Fox, is all I can think of. He could be back on the booze...

Otherwise, wise men would just agree to disagree rather than acting like...Meghan McCain and Twinkletoes Graham.


50 posted on 02/11/2010 10:25:07 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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