Skip to comments.DOH indirectly confirms: Factcheck COLB date filed and certificate number impossible
Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".
The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:
In regards to the terms date accepted and date filed on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms Date accepted by the State Registrar and Date filed by the State Registrar referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of Oahu or on the neighbor islands of Kauai, Hawaii, Maui, Molokai, or Lanai), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of Oahu) respectively.
MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the Date filed by the State Registrar is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).
There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obamas Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).
There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.
The link to the post cited above is http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/confirmation-that-certificate-number-given-by-state-registrar%e2%80%99s-office/
I am not a liar. Ender Wiggins is.
We could get a certified copy of a BC saying Nobama was born on Mars and it would not matter. No one would do a thing about it. No one would even having “standing”. It just doesn’t matter now.
Ender wiggins is a paid Obama/Axholerod chinslurper
It will always matter if we let law enforcement go the way of Mexico.
This isn’t about Obama. It’s about the integrity of our entire system of government and our media.
It will always be worth fighting the unholy alliance of government and media corruption.
I suggest everyone back up all their data on Obama in a secure location off the internet. Hard discs.
When the time comes there will be a heavy demand to pass on un-tainted information as in the imminent future with their backs against the wall the supporters of Obama and his machine will aggressively search out and destroy absolutely anything on the web that they think will cause concern about Obamas past.
Of course we know they have been doing just that for some time now but it will ratchet up considerably soon. Also will be the introduction of false trails and manufactured diversions.
Presumably after he is removed from office(big if and when)and its under circumstances of a mysterious origin(AIDS, stroke, Michelle goes Jihad)there will be millions of people asking for the truth.
And thus its our responsibility to ensure the future history HAS the truth, not a manufactured puppet with strings shielded in secrecy.
Okay - tell me who would do something and how they would go about it.
This is important please don’t let the nay-sayers or the oh it’s to laters distract this fact finding effort.
We must build a case to first prevent Soetoro from even thinking about a second term and then we must go after Pelosi, Howard Dean and every Judge from the Supreme Court on down that had this case before them but committed treason by not allowing the facts to be presented before them.
You are absolutely right. Nobama will have retired on a gubmint pention by the time the birthers accomplish anything. I don’t understand why they never mention the Republican Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle. Surely she could help.
Actually there must be a concerted and very well documented effort by several independent vetting agencies for ANY and ALL politicians.
They can be classed by their eligibility rating.
A-1-Suitable for Presidential nomination.
B-2-Suitable up to Senator or Governor.
The ratings should also show the absolute limit as well due to place of birth, place of parents birth etc.
We must push this issue no matter who, no exceptions.
There’s always this:
Backed up nightly in two separate locations.
And everyone gets kicked out for “lack of standing”. I am telling you, no matter what proof is found, nothing will change. Who would convene the GJ to begin with?
I believe that, in the past, no effort was made (by those in a capacity to make it) because of the prospect of wide-spread urban “race” riots.
I think the time is either very near or now to reject such thoughts; the urbanites will not rise up at the so-called “politically motivated rejection” of Opossum from Office. If they do, it would be summarily weak.
IBTABT - In Before the AFTER-birthers Trolls.
Re: “I dont understand why they never mention the Republican Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle. Surely she could help.”
No. She can’t.
The Republican Party is complicit in Obama’s coup d’etat.
They became a party to the conspiracy, and the Democrats compromised the Republican candidate when Leahy and company “resolved” that John McCain was/is a “natural born” citizen. He isn’t, and was/is equally ineligible to serve as CiC.
They neutered McCain who never said a word about Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Alice Palmer, and the rest of the communists, socialists, black nationalists, and other assorted dirtbags that form Obama’s closest and longest lasting relationships and associations.
Most members of Congress are attorneys. The judges too. They all studied the Constitution. They know the law (at least enough to pass the bar).
They know Obama is ineligible, but they made a deal with the devil and now have to live with it.
She has. She’s confirmed Obama was born in Hawaii. Problem is, nobody is listening.
parsy, who listens...
I refer to them as Gullibles:
AFTER-birthers is more accurate, first we had the birthers, then those who attacked the birthers came about, so hence they are AFTER-birthers.
Thats why they will all get voted out of office...hey maybe they have room for them in the unemployment lines...so they can get some of those gubment benifits they voted for...
Suitable or Constitutionally Eligible? CE is more inline with our current problem.
But yes since there is no more honor in the United States we must now do by law and mandate what honorable people used to by their own personal ethics.
Parsy, Lingle has confirmed nothing.
Okubo has confirmed the Factcheck COLB is a forgery.
And Fukino has confirmed that they have to look at 2 or more vital records for Obama’s birth before they can come up with a statement that he was born in Hawaii. According to Hawaii law, that means that Hawaii does NOT VOUCH for the accuracy of what’s on those records.
The Hawaii AG’s office refuses to say whether Fukino’s statement was legal. I suspect it’s because they know it’s not - because Fukino is not allowed to make such a disclosure, AND because she cannot legally conclude what she did about his birthplace because Obama has never presented his birth records as evidence to her or anybody else.
“Violation of the Constitution concerning the highest office in the land always matters. “
That would cover every record Obama has no word from Soros.
the State Department has stated in response to a FOIA request that they do not have a U.S. Passport application on file for Barack H. Obama," he explained. (berg)
-The birth certificate ,I assume ,would have been needed for US passport.
Exactly. And the fact that Obama’s lawyers referred to the Factcheck COLB ties them to the forgery. The Hawaii DOH including a link to the Factcheck forgery seems to be an endorsement of the forgery as well, which should get them in a whole heap of trouble.
The Fight the Smears COLB is also a forgery - posted on Obama’s own website. It doesn’t have the certificate number on it, but it also doesn’t have note of the amendment.
By June of 2007 Obama had already amended his birth certificate. Why did he use somebody else’s? It would have been easier to just delete the note of the amendment off of his own.
I’m really wondering if Obama CAN’T get a COLB because his birth certificate has a void flag. I asked Okubo for a blank form that they use for COLB’s which don’t meet the standard to be prima facie evidence. Here’s that exchange:
I said: “This form for an abbreviated copy of a birth certificate has the “prima facie” statement on it. Please send a blank voided copy of both the standard copy and abbreviated copy form used when a certificate no longer qualifies as prima facie evidence - such as amended or delayed birth certificates.”
She responded: “A redacted birth certificate is attached. There are no other records responsive to your request.”
I’m wondering if his certificate was ever given a number and whether - even if it has a number now - it can be printed as a COLB since it doesn’t qualify as prima facie evidence.
Either she is saying that they give the same birth certificate regardless of whether the certificate is legally void, OR that they won’t print a COLB at all if the certificate is legally void.
How do you guys read her response?
You didn’t answer my question. Who would do it?
Wow. Just wow.
This thing is ready to break open.
Think the MSM will ever do an accurate report on it?
Page 231 contains the requirements for "Race and color." "Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and "other nonwhite."
No classification for "African" as listed on Obama COLB
from steady drip link
At the rate it’s going it will be 100 years before we find out.
Is there anyway to tell if his navel is original equipment?
You did it!!!!!!!!!
On my Long form BC it has two boxes (box 11b “Date received by local Registrar” and box 11c “Date Accepted by the state”), on mine they both have a hand stamp (meaning a stamp held in someone’s hand where dials are turned to give the correct date, yes old school style) both of which read Aug 14 1969.
My birthday is Aug. 7th 1969. in box 10a there is the “Certifier signature”, the Dr. who delivered me, Dr. Moncur MD in this case. He certified my live birth on Aug 13th 1969, which is hand written out with the same pen that the Dr. signed his name (box 10a) with in box 10b (the date).
On my computer printed COLB it states:” DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR August 14, 1969”
I was born in Honolulu Hawaii, and so the “date received by local registrar”, “date accepted by the state” and “date filed by the registrar” are all the same date, Aug 14 1969. My Certificate was signed by the Dr the day before (Aug 13 1969), sent to the Honolulu office the next day (Aug 14 1969).
This story adds up perfectly.
Upon calling the DOH and asking what the difference between “filed by” and “accepted” on meant, I was told that they meant the same thing. The same story they gave Misstickley. Which is a true story, they just left out the fact that on the outer islands the date that a record is accepted by the state and the day it gets an actual FILE number in Honolulu could easily have been different.
She has done it, the Posted COLB on FactCheck etc is with certainty a forgery.
From the website -
The criminal justice system in this country CAN stop Obama. It requires the right legal team and court to do it. Once Obama is exposed for the fraud that he is our Nation can heal its wounds and move on. Obama can no longer be allowed to usurp the supreme laws of our land!
Still doesn’t answer who would be the “right legal team” or “court”. Didn’t answer my question.
Berg claims he filed a FOIA for Obama’s Passport application
and the State Department's response was they do not have a U.S. Passport application on file for Barack H. Obama.
“Renewing an Indonesian Passport after the age of 18 is an affirmative act, as you are swearing allegiance to another Country. Soetoro/Obama renewed his Indonesian Passport when he traveled to Pakistan, that is why he had to stop in Indonesia first. Remember, in 1981, Dunham was divorcing Soetoro in Hawaii and was not in Indonesia. Obama/Soetoro admits to traveling to Indonesia first and then onto Pakistan. Soetoro/Obama claims in his book Dreams from my father that he stopped in Indonesia to visit his mother. But again, his mother was not in Indonesia, she was in Hawaii with Maya, divorcing Lolo Soetoro. In addition, the State Department has stated in response to a FOIA request that they do not have a U.S. Passport application on file for Barack H. Obama.”
You are right on Beckwith!
McCain and the rest of DC have been in on it ever since they started pushing those bills that ended with SR511 “certifying” McCain an NBC. Obama Co-Sponsored the bills because he KNEW it compromised the entire GOP and they would not be able to stop him.
Now lets KICK THE BASTARDS OUT!!!!!
Ping to more circular logic about the datestamp and certificate number on the COLB.
This is the smoking gun.
This is the best evidence I have seen yet that the house of cards is about to come crashing down.
Oh no.... this is not circular logic at all. It makes 100% sense and matches COMPLETELY what I know of my own birth in Hawaii and all the information on my COLB and Long form.
Also check post 41
This is smoking hot gun with bouncing shell casing.
Who is Winston Smith?
It’s hard accepting the fact that we’ve been taken over by Islam, huh?
I only made a brief stop here, earlier. I figured the Birther Units needed some “collective” time together after that little “Orly Goes to the U.N.” thingie. That’s got to sting! Ouch!
Captain Quest, who did not call the Sanity Squad into action
Not really, I have been screaming about it for a long time, months and months before the elections. The real sense of doom came when Hillary lost.
LOL No one really pays much attention to O’rly. She is useful in that she keeps in in the press, but not in a good way.
That being said, I still think the cretin was born in Hawaii, but there is something REAL irregular about it.
He amended his Birth records during the period he decided to run for POTUS. WHY WOULD HE NEED TO DO THAT?
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