Skip to comments.President Obama's birth doctor, James Ang'awa, was neighbors with Barack Obama Senior in the 1960s
Posted on 03/05/2010 7:56:12 PM PST by InspectorSmith
Dr Ang'awa had worked in Embu, Kiambu, Kilifi, Mombasa, Kakamega and Bungoma and was one of the best known members of the medical profession in the country.
Her father was brutally killed when she was a teenager more than 40 years ago, but Lady Justice Mary Ang'awa has opted to forgive his killer. During her reflection at a recent meeting to plan the 40th anniversary of the death of her father, she had no qualms about offering a pardon. "I have forgiven you," she says is the message she has for the killer of Dr James Ang'awa.
One of the pioneer medical specialists in the country, Dr Ang'awa was hit on the head with a blunt object on Tom Mboya Street by an unknown assailant.
A police inquest cleared a suspect who had been arrested although Justice Ang'awa is not convinced the decision was the right one. "My father died a painful death. Investigations and inquests were concluded. I and my brothers--Antony, Hillary, Charles and William-- have climbed a steep path to success with the guidance of our mother Perez. So the best thing to do is to forgive the killer," she told the Sunday Nation.
At the time of her father's death, Justice Ang'awa was a Form One student at Limuru Girls' high school. Her family enjoyed a comfortable life; her father was establishing a reputation for his research into treatment of tuberculosis.
The family lived in high-class government quarters in Upper Hill. Among their neighbours were Dr Njoroge Mungai, former President Kenyatta's personal physician, President Kibaki, who was then minister for Finance and the late Barack Obama Sr, father of American President Barack Obama.
The family was evicted from the house three months after Dr Ang'awa's death.
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I ran thru all your links Lucas, a jog down memory lane (from yesterday...lol) IMO her name is Merry Jennifer Otieno Othigo, Otieno is her maiden name. I see that spelling as most prevalent, however, as I said earlier, people tend to butcher names. In todays links however, I found her e-mail address. I took a chance and wroter her, to answer two questions:
1. What was the transition time from her stint as CA and Heltan/Helton Magonga’s start as CA at CPGH-Mombasa, Kenya. If there was a cross training period, could EITHER sign for that position, and did one act, or both as Assistant CA during that time period, and does the Assistant CA sign as CA on documents.
2. Is her name Merry Jennifer Otieno Othigo, or is it spelled differently, or incorrect as stated.
I stated that these questions were for an ongoing debate, and were not official in any capacity.
She probably won’t answer at all, but hey...I tried...
If I hear anything, I will report it to this thread.
The outgoing CA would be closing cases, and notifications being made, office changing, etc.
Are you hardline enough to deny this possibility?
No I don’t deny this possibility, Bu it’s remote and unrealistic. I’m not a hardliner.
This theory about dual CAship is there only to float Lucas’ sinking ship. But I’am glad your taking my work seriously, I enjoy discussions about facts. When people start getting personal I believe that they are running short of arguments.
It is a fact that until April 13th Othigo speaks as CA to The Nation newspaper. It is a fact that Maganga first is mentioned as CA on June 17th. That the incoming CA would sign documents before his appointment is frankly a very faint possibility. CA of CPGH is a public position, CPGH is a government institution. Yes, off course there are transitions, but one is the man (or the woman in charge), the one bearing the full legal responsibilities (and they are quite heavy in a hospital) off his position.
to make it short. What do the different spellings have to do with the fact that Othigo was the CA on Feb 19th 2009 ?
Here is another one to think about.
The signature issue has boogered it up upon examination by those who checked it closely, but nobody has had issue with the contents of the document itself.
It sorta gets back to killing the message because of the messenger, anyway
I wish to point out that if this happened, it was not IMO at the urging of Lucas Smith, rather the greed and indifference of the clerk. There has been no other photo that I know of showing Heltan Maganga’s signature to disprove my “theory”, and that is all it is. If this were true, it would be human nature on the clerks side, and both Lucas and Mik would be correct. I love happy endings...LOL
Just a thought...
You speak of “When people start getting personal I believe that they are running short of arguments” then I assume that you would include yourself in that?
How many times have you brought half truths, lies and forgeries to the table? No one is taking you seriously.
You still haven't brought any other evidence to the table other than online newspaper articles. Do yourself a favor and do some real investigative reporting.
Why do you attempt to rationalize out everything with American though, culture and norms?
Things in Africa are much different than they are in the USA. Most places outside of the USA and Western Europe have different norms we are uses to.
You (kim) claim to have spenyt 30 years in Africa working for oil companies (though you've admitted that was just a lie) so you should realize that we cannot rationalize things in Africa out with our American thought process as to what would be the norms in their culture and society.
I have given in the past a tremendous amount of examples as to the difference in “norms” between many African nations and the United States of America. All of which you were unfamiliar with and which went on further to prove that you have never been anywhere in Africa.
We as Americans do not have a clue as to how things run in a undeveloped third world nation. It's not like American where we're all so obsessive compulsive and keep record of every little thing that happens. Many Africans don't know nor do they care what the birthday is. If you go to Africa someday you might understand this. Many Africans couldn't care less if they never had to get a drivers license or state ID card. Many Africans don't speak of history in the form of year, they simply relate things to the seasons and to other events that happened in the same time period. Here in the USA we just rattle of hour day minute second hand date day of week military time. Things are much different when you're in a undeveloped third world nation. You might want to travel outside of the USA sometime in your life.
I'm done replying to you. I have better things to do with my time. Have fun talking to yourself. Try not to have another mental melt down while you're at it.
Can you ping me if you hear back?
So Mik Taerg, what say you? The spelling agrees with your spelling, but Smith already covered that Periodicals and newspapers spell it both ways, but it also definately says he was the Chief Administrator on that date.
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But another story from the Nairobi Nation that calls him "Helton" that Mik Taerg once said that this news outlet only called him "Helten", obviously it is not true.
Here's a Nation.co.ke article excerpted below from October 2, 2009 on Helton [Not Helten ] Maganga:
"We have counselled the mother and she is now in in good health and spirits since yesterday started breastfeeding the baby," the chief administrator at the hospital, Dr Helton Maganga said."
The original Kenyan Nation article is offline however the same story was also carried by AllAfrica.com
Fukino did state that Hawaii had the bc of bho on record in accordance with state policies & proceedures. Here is a link.
kimbo, you denied she said this. You lied again.
Also here is a link to the story concerning some underhanded tactics in Hawaii towards folks who request the birth certificate. http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/03/10/civil-rights-complaint-filed-with-state-of-hawaii-ombudsman/
Fukino’s atatement means nothing except a birth was registered there as per the law.
From 1895 to 1985, a birth could be registered in Hawaii be several means. An “interested party” (read parent or other relative) could register a birth as Hawaiian born simply by mailing in a form or going to the registrar’s office and signing a statement. No birth had to be proven..just statements made & signed or a form filled out, signed & mailed in. The long form or “vault copy” would tell where the info came from..whether it was from a hospital, a doctor or midwife (as in home delivery)or, as I believe, grandma giving a statement. All were acceptable in Hawaii at that time. That is why it is so important to see the long form Hawaii keeps hidden under bozo’s orders. bozo has shown a colb he claims is the truth. So why not release the long form? He has something to hide. It is either the fact that the info came from someone other than a hospital or the name change to Barry Soetoro when he was adopted or maybe both.
Some could argue if he was born in America, even with a non-citizen father, he has the right to be potus. That is wrong but a different legal debate altogether.
Some could argue his mother didn’t know she was too young to bestow auto-citizenship on him, maybe.And maybe whe just took a shortcut to give her son a better chance at life with an American bc.
Not born in a Hawiian hospital...opens the door for the Kenyan bc. That, along with a Kenyan father means he was born a Kenyan and gets evicted from the white house as never being eligibile.
Name change to Barry Soetoro along with Indonesian citizenship... that’s another side to this tangled mess. Since he never legally changed his name back to his birth name, he has committed a felony every time he has signed barack obama since he was 21 yrs old. He also swore he has never been known be any name other that bho when he registered to run for all 3 public offices. More felonies.
As an Indonesian citizen, he never applied for legal entry into the U S from Indonesia but he did swear alliegance to Indo when he got a passport there (at age 20) to travel the world. He is an illegal immigrant.
To answer all the questions, first we must see the long form bc and take it from there.
You have not answered my question
“The New CA is not available for the signature, so the Person delivering the document, not Maganga, signs it. Again, Old stamp no longer available”
Do you realize counterfeting a signature on an official document makes the entire document a fraud ?
I don’t know how to ping people, but I will post a reply if I get it..
When Smith is “done replying to you” it means he cant avoid the questions anymore
You ping me by hitting “reply” to the comment, and adding my name in the “to” box.
I am not stating a fact, simply postulating a theory.
I can do that...
I also have a theory involving amnesia , shop lifting, and a gallon of pea soup.
FDLMAO...I agree, theories are just that...
But another story from the Nairobi Nation that calls him “Helton” that Mik Taerg once said that this news outlet only called him “Helten”, obviously it is not true.
I never said that. I don’t want to repost all my links since you wouldn’t read them anyways. The Helton spelling originates from an article by The Standard, reported by other sources as well. To verify go to the Kenyan mirror of Google, select “English” and “from Kenya”.
then type in quotes “Helton Maganga”
select: “repeat the search with the omitted results included.”
you get the source article
then repeat the process type in quotes “Heltan Maganga”
remember to select: “repeat the search with the omitted results included.”
you get the other stories
i confrin your find about The Nation having once spelled him Helton Maganga.
Here are the results on The Nation internal search engine:
Yes you did.
You - "Heltan or Helton ?
All articles in The Nation, a Nairobi paper, call him Heltan."
Not all articles published by The Nation called him Dr Maganga "Helten". This Nation's article said his name and title was "the chief administrator at the hospital, Dr Helton Maganga"
By ANTHONY KITIMO Posted Friday, October 2 2009 at 18:04 http://www.nation.co.ke/Mombasa/-/519978/666878/-/naqvmh/-/index.html
You - "The Helton spelling originates from an article by The Standard, reported by other sources as well."
No, not when the story is written by "ANTHONY KITIMO" who writes for The Nation.
The Google results The Standard newspaper "www.standardmedia.co.ke" and "ANTHONY+KITIMO"
And I reconfirmed it in my post above #771.
Great Kim aka Mik Taerg is a terrible researcher.
Below are 4 different Kenyan news sources for HELTON.
1. Coast Provincial General Hospital chief administrator Helton Muganga also expressed willingness to assist in investigations.
Written by Kenyan reporter Kepher Otieno. Date: 08.12.2009
2. The Chief Administrator at Coast General Hospital Helton Maganga, said he expects the number of patients to rise.
Written by Kenyan reporter Willis Oketch. Date: 06.19.2009
3. We have counselled the mother and she is now in in good health and spirits since yesterday started breastfeeding the baby, the chief administrator at the hospital, Dr Helton Maganga said.
Written by Kenyan reporter ANTHONY KITIMO. Date: 10.02.2009
4. We are still receiving more patients from various parts of the province who have been diagnosed with the ailment. However, we are doing everything possible to provide the necessary treatment needed, Helton Maganga, chief administrator at the Coast Provincial General Hospital, the largest referral hospital in the province, told IRIN on 18 June.
Written by BY IRIN (Integrated Regional Information Network for Central and Eastern Africa. Date: 06.18.2009
Note all are spelled HELTON. Number one (#1) also has complete DIFFERENT spelling of Helton Magangas last name as Muganga.
In Swahili names are spelled out phonetically. Youll find that in many places in Africa there is no standard spelling for names, especially when Swahili word and names are spelled out with the Indo-European alphabet. Swahili never had a written form of its language until Arabs taught Swahili speakers to spell out Swahili in Arabic and then later when Europeans taught Swahili speakers to spell out Swahili in the Indo-European alphabet.
In any case we now see that Great Kims aka Mik Taergs claims of there only being ONE (1) source for the spelling of HELTON is totally without merit (yet is typical of any claim that Great Kim aka Mik Taerg has ever put out in his quest for recoginition).
(PS: This is to Kim / Mik. Since were are the subject AGAIN of name spelling in Kenya and other places in Kenya COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY the other past chief admistrator, OTHIGO, at Coast Province General Hospital has MANY MANY MANY different spellings of her name in the Kenyan news sources AND Kenyan medical reports, directories and document?
Now lets discuss your favorite figure....Jennifer Othigo....or is that her name???
Or is her name .....Merry Jennifer Otieno Othiga. Is it Othigo or Othiga? Come on now Kim. Tell us. Hey, I even have an offical Kenya source here:
Then theres .... Jenipher Othigo. So what is it Kim, Jennifer or Jenipher? Hey, I have a source for that one as well:
Then theres...... Mary J Othigo.....So which is it Kim, is it Merry or is it Mary? And hey again, I even have a very official source that one. Its a medical directory. Yippie! (I know how you so love the online Kenyan medical directories)
By the way, which is first same, is it Jennifer or is it Merry? (Not that we know how to spell either if those names).
Then we have..... Joyce Othigo......wow....so is her name Jennifer is it Joyce? Those darn Kenyans. I found that one on a very official document:
Then theres.......Janet Othigo....double wow....so is her name Jennifer or Jenipher or Joyce or Janet? And again I have a very official medical source
Then again we have the Merry Jennifer Othigo. Another source for MERRY vs MARY. An official Kenyan source at that.
Then we have yet another twist....deputy administrator Jeniffer Othigo. Notice this time that Jeniffer is spelled with double FF and one N. While on many other online sources her name is spelled with a double NN and only one F. How do you explain this Kim??? And oh dear....that one is from an online Kenyan news source:
Oh dear, oh dear.....look here....the same Kenyan news outlet has spelled her name as hospitals deputy administrator, Dr Jennipher Othigo. Notice the double NN now. And this time theres not even an F in the name, this time they us a P.
What now Kim, how do explain all of these different spellings and complete names?
I could go on and on and on and on. The sources for her name are all over the Internet (Kenyan sources). Medical documents and other official sites.
So now Kim, lets say that Othigos name (if thats how its even spelled) was on the CPGH Obama birth certificate. What would you say about all of these MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY different spellings of her name(s)???
Which one is the correct spelling? Would you judge a birth certificate with Othigos endorsement to be a forgery based on her names spelling???
I have many official sources for her names many different spelling. So which is correct Kim?
Come on, answer the questions Kim. After all, you are the one that brought Othigo into all of this.
Stop with the simpleton answer of, It doesnt matter Lucas. Were talking about Helton here Lucas, not Othigo.
Do you know how tremendously retarded and obtuse that an answer such as that sounds? Here you are battling it out for months now about the HELTON vs HELTAN spelling (based on Kenyan newspaper and two Kenyan online medical directories) but yet you dismiss the MANY MANY MANY spelling of Othigos name being not important.
Do you understand what you are saying?
I have MANY official sources for the spellings of Othigos name(s). Many more than you could ever dream of finding for Helton. I have listed many here and can list scores more from different websites which back up each spelling.
So now, after all of this, can you sort of understand what I have been saying from the outset? When people in Kenya and other African nations are spelling out words and names in Swahili, they spell them out phonetically, the way that it sounds to them.
Do you even know what the significance of phonetic is? Let me rephrase (that question might go over your head.) Do you know what the definition of phonetic is? Quick, off to google and wikiepdia you go. Find your answer Kim.
In closing, please do attempt to respond with answers that make just a bit of sense.
Lucas D. Smith
PS. Ive noticed that you yourself have written over the past few months both MARY and MERRY. I suppose that now you will just stick with just Othigo now since that is a much safer bet. (Even though it might might be Othiga. But please do tell us which is correct of ALL the names, including MERRY vs MARY. And also explain why you and how you know which is correct. PLEASE DO THIS WITH ALL THE NAMES.
your post is a terrible waste of time. Quite sorry for causing this distraction to your other lucrative activities.
It is a fact that
neither Helton Maganga
nor Heltan Maganga
was CA on Feb 19th 2009.
It is a fact that
either Jennifer Othigo
or Merry Jennifer Othigo
or Jane Othigo
was CA on Feb 19th 2009
it is a fact that
your forgery carries the samp of Dr.Helton Maganga
it is a fact that
your forgery carries a date samp for the date Feb 19th 2009.
it is a fact that
you have not explained this
Smith has disappeared on us....I like to think he is somewhere deep in Africa
well there is something new:
What a Kenyan BC from 1961 could have looked like:
THE BIRTHS AND DEATHS REGISTRATION RULES
This law is from the foundation of Indipendent Kenya
The link well expalains all the procedures to acquire a BC in Kenya. The link contains all possible BC forms and registrar notations
It is very clear that:
Hospitals do not issue BCs, these are issued by the registrar upon notification from the Hospital
Hospitals issue Birth Notification Sheets
I bet Smith is gonna show up any minute now and explain all this
he or one of his groupies.
I have said this is what a Kenyan BC from 1961 COULD have looked like. The law is infact form 1963 - Kenyan Indipendence. He will argue that in the Colonial times rules were different. At the moment I cannot disprove that.
He likes to talk about “transition phases” such as the one that he argues implied two Chief Administrators at CPGH. He will need to do profound study in order to have us believe that the transition from Protectorate to Indipendent Nation was an exceptional one in the case of Kenya and did not imply the usual absorption of most existing laws into the new body of rules (such as in the cases of all other former British colonies including the US). Smith will have to venture into the field of “predecession and succession of States theory” and make his brain boil over the fact that this same praxis implies Obama
cannot be considered a British Citizen by Birth. This birthright is infact voided by the Indipendence Act of KEnya which makes all Kenyans Kenyan Citizen. Where it to be different many of us Americans could still claim British Citizenship: sons of sons of sons of British Citizens as Great Britain confers citizenship by Right of Blood.
Except that for one thing, Kenya isn’t even really independent. It’s still a part of the British commonwealth.
Second, and related, The Kenyan “Independence” Act conferred a Kenyan nationality in addition to the British nationality. Ate age of 15 or so (it was changed at some point), Barry would have had to renounce his British nationality to keep his Kenyan nationality. Assuming Barry never did so, his “independent” Kenyan nationality expired some time in the 1980s, yet his British nationality remains.
his Indonesian nationality would have expired when he took office in Illinois; or perhaps earlier — whenever he positively affirmed a nationality other than Indonesian.
His murder may be irrelevant, but his death is not. He is not available to testify that he indeed delivered Obe in Mombasa. Most unfortunate.
We must start a campaign to recognize for posterity doctor Ang’awa. The man that delivered Obama ...
February 8, 1970 - One of the pioneer medical specialists in the country, Dr Ang'awa was hit on the head with a blunt object on Tom Mboya Street by an unknown assailant...
My first thought here was “how Clintonesque”. Then I read that two of Mary Ang’awa’s children are named Hillary and William. (cue Twilight Zone theme)
I’m speechless for the moment...
FN: Below from last year. Have not checked to see if there has been additional clarification on this point.
Dont think, James O.W. AngAwa, is consistant with Davids information. OTOH Its worth some investigation.
You’re correct. However there are in fact two doctors on the main birth file—one doctor delivered the baby and one doctor signs the filing. I don’t remember anything about the guy who signed the filing and it might very well have been Ang’Awa.
The doctor who delivered is a woman who worked for the British British Colonial Service.
9,678 posted on Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:35:14 PM by David (...)
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I think Ang'Awa may have been one of the doctors on the certificate.
I have never seen a clear enough copy of the certificate to be sure but I think the woman doctor is not listed there. The evidence she was there is secondary from the Christian group but there is also communication indicating an effort by the Republican Senate campaign to get information from her which was rebuffed.
You have no clue why she was there or how she got there but this all happens prior to independence of Kenya and at a time when the place the Hospital is located may have been under administration separate from the main part of Kenya.
Just out of curiosity, why isn’t there a space for “Residence of Father?”
Seriously? Her kids’ names are William and Hillary?
The doc shows birthplace of both parents, no current address for either.
Residence seems to be for City.State/Country. Not address.
Third line has space for Residence of Mother and Birthplace of Mother
The Fourth Line has a space for Birthplace of father, but not Residence of Father. It also has spaces for Occupations of both Mother and Father.
It is curious that the Residence of the father would not be documented as well.
I see what you mean now...I can't answer that.
I think that was “um gawa”.
You have a “Beautiful Mind”!
It didn’t seem to work for Blago.
There was a “Children of the Corn” moment in that video wasn’t there? Very odd stuff.
A wondering out loud question.
I did a quick search for a standard (blank or completed) Kenyan form (current and past). There is so much out there it is impossible to tell which is real and which is fake.
Yes. Bizarre coincidence.
With a special guest appearance by Heltan Maganga, who wasn't Chief Administrator of Coast at the time.
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