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How Much Ammo, and Why?
Vanity | 3/8/10 | dagogo redux

Posted on 03/08/2010 7:58:06 AM PST by dagogo redux

With all the talk about the Second Amendment, the ammo shortage, and about what might lie ahead after November (or before), I thought it might be a reasonable vanity post to ask what sorts of quantities of ammo are practical for a person or household to stock for an “emergency”.

A few months ago, for instance, someone here said 6000 rounds for each firearm. More recently, someone said (I think) 3000 rounds for one’s primary battle rifle, and 500 rounds for each handgun and shot gun.

Answers may depend on many factors: for instance, the scenario you think most likely, or most worthwhile to prepare for, as well as the role you might see yourself playing in such a scenario (home defense, active maneuvers, underground resistance, etc), so posting these thoughts may help explain your reasoning.

"The more the merrier,” will occur to many, but practical answers would be more helpful. And HOW did you arrived at your answer - is it calculated in some way, something you were taught, a hunch, collected wisdom, etc? If you say 5000 rounds, why not 2500 or 10,000, etc. and what do you base that on?

Thanks for tolerating another vanity, and thanks for educating us with your answers.


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To: Kartographer

Firearms? What firearms...??


51 posted on 03/08/2010 9:21:49 AM PST by Bean Counter (I keeps mah ffigureseathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: Noumenon

For those without a rifleman's training, get thee to an Appleseed event taco pronto. It's all about skill and motivation. At an Appleseed, those of us without such training will hopefully begin to acquire both.


Excellent advice! I've been to two - outstanding training and excellent presentation of the history of April 19, 1775.

Appleseed Project

52 posted on 03/08/2010 9:30:41 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: dagogo redux
Having lost ALL my guns AND ammo in a Spontaneous Unexplained Corrosion Kalamity Syndrome incident, I would day that for me, this is just a theoretical question.

Here's another: Now that a lot of us (me excluded) have stocked up, what should be the next items one should consider buying?

Non-perishable food?
Water?

Machine tools?
(To make abstract artwork under grants from the National endowment for the arts of course)

Reloading equipment?

Other types of ‘Self-defense’ and other essential SHTF equipment?

Any takers?

53 posted on 03/08/2010 9:32:09 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Just for info’s sake - what’s your time running the 100?
just askin


54 posted on 03/08/2010 9:34:25 AM PST by Waverunner ( "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." Voltaire)
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To: DBrow; thackney

Ok, even in a sustained situation.

Imagine ahving to fire several hundred rounds per month. How many months will you survive this before you get killed?

Seriously.

None of us like to think this, but I don’t think it will be like on TV, where the good guy always wins.

If you fire several hundred rounds, won’t several hundred rounds be fired back at you? Your luck really that good?

Mine isn’t.

And, as I said, whatever ammo you have left is now in the hands of the enemy.

Me, I stick with a few hundred rounds for each caliber. And that’s mainly becuase I make a long drive to buy it cheap, so while I’m out there, I stock up. (Fin Feather and Fur, in Ashland OH, in case you guys are Buckeyes.)

But the wife and I shoot every weak, so it depletes eventually.


55 posted on 03/08/2010 9:38:50 AM PST by Pessimist (u)
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To: Nailbiter

read later


56 posted on 03/08/2010 9:44:00 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: Pessimist

So your plan is to die early if extended warfare exists?


57 posted on 03/08/2010 9:45:48 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: dagogo redux
Depends on if you are running or forting up. If you are defending a static position then the answer is as much as you can store safely.

If like me you live in deep blue country you may not have the option of sitting out the worst of it. So if you are going to have to make a run for it, then the answer is as much as you can carry without slowing yourself down. But a good idea is if you know where you are running to (and you darn well should have a plan as to where you are running to) then have a cache of ammo there waiting for you. If you are running to a friends or family members home in the hills, find out what ammo he uses for his guns and offer to kick in for a couple thousand rounds to be stored at his place. Then bring a firearm to match the ammo that is waiting for you.

Finally if the ammo in question is something that will likely be available in a total SHTF situation you can get away with stockpiling a little less. Twelve gage buckshot and 9mm pistol rounds will probably always be available, although it will be at a premium price, and don't plan on buying it with Obamadollars. If you use .762x39 there will be some smuggled in, but the supply will likely be spotty. So you need to stockpile enough to get you through the dry spells. If you just can't live without 30-40 Krag or .303 Enfield for your vintage Bren gun you better have a bunker full at the start because finding more isn't going to be easy.
58 posted on 03/08/2010 9:47:27 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Fair enough.

Who are “they”?


59 posted on 03/08/2010 9:58:57 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: Noumenon

I agree. I’m heading to my second Appleseed in April, and I’m taking to first timers with me.


60 posted on 03/08/2010 10:08:10 AM PST by Cheeks (http://www.appleseedinfo.org/)
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To: Pessimist

lol You will be one of the neighbors coming to me for ammo!

Approach the sandbags slowly with your hands in plain sight and clearly say “Eagles Up!”

There is no clear best, or even likely, scenario.


61 posted on 03/08/2010 10:09:00 AM PST by DBrow
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To: BerserkPatriot

“Boston’s Gun Bible” answers a lot of these questions. It has a priority list of what you may need.


62 posted on 03/08/2010 10:09:55 AM PST by Cheeks (http://www.appleseedinfo.org/)
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To: Cheeks

Outstanding! That’s what it’s all about.


63 posted on 03/08/2010 10:13:25 AM PST by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: BerserkPatriot

As kind of a preparatory guide to making it through a country’s collapse, you can’t beat FerFal’s compiled writings. Fascinating and informative, if you haven’t read it. If you have, maybe someone else will get some benefit.

http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/portal/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2079&Itemid=2

I’ve read it four or five times, and I follow his blog here:

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/


64 posted on 03/08/2010 10:17:23 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: dagogo redux

Minimum: 1000 rounds per piece.
That’s a good convenient number, ensuring you’ll have enough for whatever earnest application you run into. Any time you go under that amount, it’s easy to just buy another case.

Reasonable: enough to burn out every barrel.
Each barrel has a finite lifespan. Considering prices will only go up, buy enough consumables now to satisfy that lifespan.


65 posted on 03/08/2010 10:19:54 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Pessimist
You are correct in that it will NOT be like on TV, where the good guy always wins. But you're going to need more confidence and determination in order to get through what's coming down the pike. Men who know how to think and do will be the ones with the best odds of pulling through. Men with the determination to live and to win will have the best odds of pulling through.

Don't give up. That's for liberal collectivist monkeys whose tiny and inconsequential skillsets wouldn't keep them warm or feed them if their lives depended upon them. So they'll die and die badly. That's not you. It doesn't have to be you. Follow the link and read the book.

66 posted on 03/08/2010 10:37:01 AM PST by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: OKSooner

“Honestly, it’s a load off of my mind to not have to worry about someone coming in and stealing all those guns and all that ammunition I used to have here.”

The preacher who married us lived right outside OKC, and was executed by an escaped con who also murdered his wife, shot his young son and raped his daughter.

No, I think I sleep better at night knowing I have at least the opportunity to do something about it if someone tries to hurt me and family.


67 posted on 03/08/2010 10:43:02 AM PST by bestintxas
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To: thackney

I wouldn’t say it’s my ~plan~. Nor would I say “after firing several hundred rounds” is early.

I think it’s a realistic view.

Hey, you can buy all you want. It’s none of my business.

Somebody just asked for opinions, and I gave mine.


68 posted on 03/08/2010 10:47:22 AM PST by Pessimist (u)
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To: Noumenon

I have no intention of “giving up”.

My sincere hope would be to ice as many zombies as possible.

Bu my realistic analysis is that I won’t survive forever in such circumstances.

So when people talk about 10k rounds of every caliber, etc, I think all theyre doing is providing a stockpile for the guy who kills them.


69 posted on 03/08/2010 10:50:52 AM PST by Pessimist (u)
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To: Pessimist

From my point of view, I don’t expect to be firing alone.

Nor do I intend to buy more than I can use and share anyways.

Cheers and Go Bucks!


70 posted on 03/08/2010 10:53:16 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: dagogo redux

Don't forget a buttload of these to go with all that ammo.

71 posted on 03/08/2010 11:03:53 AM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Waverunner

Just for info’s sake - what’s your time running the 100?
just askin

With a zombie behind me its propably pretty fast. Good news is zombies seem a little slow both mentally and physically. The bad news is when they come, they come in large numbers. One advantage I think we may have is our sense of smell, methinks the living dead would smell something awful.


72 posted on 03/08/2010 11:14:56 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: atomic_dog
True that, but anything can be a “battle rifle” if you know what you are doing. Even a Bushmaster .223.
73 posted on 03/08/2010 11:20:01 AM PST by wbarmy (Hard core, extremist, and right-wing is a little too mild for my tastes.)
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To: BerserkPatriot
Here's another: Now that a lot of us (me excluded) have stocked up, what should be the next items one should consider buying?

"Go Fast" bag. Everyone should have one. A backpack with a few changes of socks and underpants, a pair of jeans, a jacket and either hiking boots or at least good gym shoes. A proper canteen is also a good thing to have clipped onto the "Go Fast" bag. Remember you may be at work when the SHTF and surviving in the wilderness in a suit, tie and dress shoes is no fun at all. So tell the wife/husband/eldest kid to grab the "Go Fast" bag and meat you at Aunt Mary's. You may also want to pack a "Go Bang" box. You know the tool box where you keep the pistol, cleaning kits, gun oil, spare mags and a few hundred rounds of ammo. Remember to throw in a couple of silica gel packets, cool dry ammo is happy ammo.

Camping equipment. Even if you plan is to run to Aunt Mary's house in the country, there will probably be a bunch of other people running to Aunt Mary's so be prepared to sleep on the floor, or in your truck. Having a fishing pole and tackle box will at least put meat on the table occasionally. Sure a bluegill may not look like much, but McDonald's may not be serving billions any more. Keep it in one or two of those big Rubbermaid bins so that when the time comes you don't have to sort through it, just grab and throw into the back of the truck.

And on that topic take your kids camping. Be used to living without all the comforts of modern life for a week at a time. That way when those things are no longer available everyone in the family will know that they can do it. It also ensures that as you run out the door with your Go Fast bag you can tell the little kids it will be "just like camping". They can panic later once you are someplace safe.

One of those portable batteries that can be charged either off 110 or a car's cigarette lighter. Make sure it has a 110 outlet and jumper cables. Even if it provides only a few hours of power that may make the difference in getting a car started, recharging a phone or walkie talkie, or just being able to see while you stitch up a wound. Keep it fully charged and near whatever car you intend to use in the bailout.

A wind up flashlight and radio. Batteries are heavy and in a SHTF situation will be worth their weight in gold. Having communication and a flashlight that doesn't need them can be a big bonus. Even if you intend to ride out the storm from where you are, don't assume you will always have electricity. Even if you have a generator gas is going to get rare and expensive.

Food that you don't mind eating. Don't stock three years of MREs if you don't like MREs. Even the legendary MRE has a use by date. And if not rotated they will just go bad and you are out the money, or worse yet you need them and they went bad sitting on the shelf. Simple things like granola bars, canned veggies, canned chili are all good. Keep a couple of weeks worth on hand and rotate the stock. Also have something to drink. A couple gallons of water on hand is good, or even just means stock up on Gatorade when it is on sale.
74 posted on 03/08/2010 11:26:07 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

“They” would be anyone he’d be talking to who wants to cause trouble for him.

Stockpiling is what you do as a good boy scout to be prepared for something that COULD happen. It is taking personal responsibility to not be a burden on your neighbors or community. It is self-sufficiency. Not greed.

Hoarding is what people do AFTER something happens where possible limits on how much you can buy are in place so that the unprepared people can have some time to buy items. Hoarding cuts into the greed some people might have to clean out a store AFTER the SHTF and not care about anyone else when they had plenty of time beforehand to prepare.

That’s why if there ever IS a SHTF moment, your prior preparations aren’t ‘hoarding’ and should not be explained as such, otherwise word will get around and authorities will be notified you are ‘hoarding’ when you weren’t and guess how fast that stuff will be taken from you unless you have your receipts.


75 posted on 03/08/2010 11:29:08 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Eagle Eye

“If one is not prepared to use 6 then 6000 is pointless.”

Of all of the considered advise and/or opinions provided within this thread... those words ring the truest. ;>)


76 posted on 03/08/2010 11:43:52 AM PST by Gator113 (I do not want Obama IMPEACHED... I want him IMPRISONED.)
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To: bestintxas

So, you’re saying that I really DID need to use a sarcasm tag? :)


77 posted on 03/08/2010 11:56:52 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: dagogo redux

Great replies, y’all. Thanks!


78 posted on 03/08/2010 12:42:06 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Excellent points -one basic consideration to think about would be to plan for a couple different scenarios – Staying in place, bugging out in a vehicle or bugging out on foot – depending on what’s happening.

Having plan for each one of those scenarios would probably be one of the best ways to get ready.

The point about the food is also very important – no one knows When something might happen, or What might happen.

Buying non-perishables that would normally eat and rotating them through you supplies is a good way of making sure you are ready at all times and that they have the longest shelf life.


79 posted on 03/08/2010 12:50:59 PM PST by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: OKSooner

Yep, if you’re from Oklahoma


80 posted on 03/08/2010 1:32:16 PM PST by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

What are you talkin’ about, Tex? You’re the one who didn’t get the joke. :)


81 posted on 03/08/2010 1:42:54 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

I’m speedy gonzales myself - In Florida we have an advantage - Alligators love Zombies


82 posted on 03/08/2010 1:54:41 PM PST by Waverunner ( "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." Voltaire)
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To: dagogo redux

Look at how many rounds it takes to shoot out your barrel. Stop somewhere short of that. I believe that you will never wear out a .22 calibre barrel.


83 posted on 03/08/2010 2:05:13 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: BerserkPatriot
Having plan for each one of those scenarios would probably be one of the best ways to get ready.

Having a plan in advance is critical. If there are riots in the street and the world is coming apart you will not be thinking clearly. That is why the military does general quarters drills all the time. So that your reactions in an emergency are already thought out beforehand and you are just acting out a pre planned response.

One of the hardest things I had to do was to convince my wife that in a SHTF situation not to wait for me to get home from work. If the time comes to run just get he kids clear and meet up at a pre arranged location. My dad got caught downtown in the '68 riots and my mom was home with three older kids and a baby (me). The fist time I left my oldest son at daycare, rather than with a family member, was 9/11/01. Suffice to say that by the time I got to work my normal parental separation anxiety was slightly higher than when I dropped him off an hour before. It was events like that which convinced me that riots and emergencies don't make an appointment or start when the whole family is together and at home.

Also keep at least half a tank of gas in each of the cars. In an absolute worst case under those circumstances you can siphon the gas from one into the other and still have a full tank for the run to the hills.

There have been a lot of jokes about when the zombies come you want to have one slow runner to allow you to get away. It is the people without a plan who will be the "Slow Runners" in a SHTF situation. So first come up with a plan.

Then check if your plan is realistic. One of the earlier posts talked about taking ammunition from the military. My personal plan of things to do in order to ensure a long happy life does not involve starting a firefight with the US Marine Corps or Army Rangers. Don't invest in 10,000 pounds of gear and munitions and then expect to make a run for it. Don't expect to sneak inconspicuously away with a scoped 30-06 hunting rifle and two bandoleers of ammo strapped over your shoulders. Sure that 1916 Lugar might be the most expensive piece in your collection, but it jams when even a little dirty and you can't get parts for it if you need them. If you are planning to fort up against the entire world for three years, be sure you aren't dependent on city water supplies.

Then equip yourself in accordance with the plan. Get good gear, and be sure you know how to use it. If you aren't trained in knife fighting a Swiss army knife may be a lot more useful to you than a k-bar.

Be sure you know how to use the stuff you have. Having an arsenal of hundreds of weapons won't be nearly as useful as one or two high quality pieces that you are comfortable and familiar with. Get to the range. Be able to take a snap shot and at least hit a man sized target. Be able to load your weapon in the dark, especially if you favor a revolver or don't have a bunch of spare mags. Learn to shoot weak handed. You don't need to be an expert, but your life may depend on being able to drive and shoot at the same time.

If you have camping gear be sure you know how use it. Be able to set up the tent, use the camp stove, and the proper way to dig a pit toilet. And before you laugh that last one can be very important when Aunt Mary's water gets shut off. Even if Aunt Mary has a well it probably has an electric pump. Or it might have a limited supply of water and more than the typical load of guests. Flushing ranks lower on the list than drinking, cooking, washing, watering the crops, and just about everything else.

And that brings up another great piece of gear to pick up. Head over to the surplus store and get of those fold up army shovels (entrenching tool). I have had mine in the car for so long I forgot to put it on the list. Great for getting your car unstuck on a dirt road, clearing a snow drift, digging the aforementioned pit toilet. And in a pinch it can be used to split a zombies head clean in half.
84 posted on 03/08/2010 2:12:01 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
While the word "hoarding" might have the connotation that you suggest, it's denotation is quite neutral, and different from what you said. Hoarding is a general term for the accumulation of food or other items. In fact, hoarding and stockpiling are synonyms.

Greed never enters into it if you to decide to put back that which you legally earned, no matter the words used to describe it. It is, as you said, self-sufficiency.

Also, I doubt that anyone who suspected someone was "hoarding" would be satisfied and forget the whole thing if they were told it was not "hoarding" but merely "stockpiling". Word games won't satisfy those who will want to make trouble for you. Best bet is, if the SHTF, to just keep your mouth shut if you are stockpiling or hoarding anything.

85 posted on 03/08/2010 2:25:55 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: Waverunner

I’m speedy gonzales myself - In Florida we have an advantage - Alligators love Zombies

And no hills to speak of, that makes running a whole lot easier. The downside to no hills is the absence of easily defendable terrain. You may need some concertina to channelize the zombies into your fields of fire. Claymores would be helpful here as well. Just be sure to blow them up beyond the rotting flesh fallout point. I have heard you can get zombiefied by simple contact with their rotting flesh and drool (this claim is unsourced).


86 posted on 03/08/2010 2:29:04 PM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

I had a friend who “tested” a Marlin Model 60 to failure. He estimated that he’d pumped close to 30-40K rounds through it without cleaning it. It never failed to fire until the mechanism became so worn that it no longer lined up or fed rounds correctly, then he tossed it and bought another one.

The bore on that thing always looked as it did the day he got it. Didn’t wear appreciably at all.

If you take care of them and oil them occasionally, just about any .22 will last longer than you will.


87 posted on 03/08/2010 2:30:15 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: dagogo redux

bfl.


88 posted on 03/08/2010 2:42:24 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
The downside to no hills is the absence of easily defensible terrain.

Florida has great defensible terrain. Just ask any Vietnam vet about how miserable it is advancing through flooded lowlands. Any low spot becomes an instant water barrier, there are also the gators mentioned earlier. Every road had a million bridges just crying out for ambush site. And then there is quicksand (quickmud?). Until i went to Florida I thought that was just something from cartoons! Also there are the big zombie eating pythons.

And in Florida they have those giant flying cockroaches, those could probably just pick up a zombie and carry them away. Heck those things could pick up a Zamboni and carry it away!
89 posted on 03/08/2010 2:43:18 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Pessimist
I think people go way overboard on these things. Try to imagine a scenario in which you personally need and use several thousand rounds. In that kind of battle, would you really survive long enough to fire several thousand rounds? And when you’re dead, now the bad guys have all that’s left of your ammo.

If you plan on practicing, you can go through a whole load of ammo in a year.

I know that I went through at least 3-4 thousand rounds last year, counting rifle and handgun.
90 posted on 03/08/2010 2:44:15 PM PST by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

Thank you, I’ve started reading some of these resources and they are great for getting one into the proper mindset.

I’m liking you tagline there.


91 posted on 03/08/2010 2:54:46 PM PST by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

“Synonyms” does not mean they are identical, they hold similar attributes but can have some distinct use differences.

Different mental images appear when you describe either “personal preparation” and “stockpiling” versus “hoarding”. There is a negative connotation to “hoarding” as to opposed to a person building up provisions before a disaster, or for winter. They don’t have “stockpiling limits”, they are “hoarding limits”. Anytime a disaster hits they talk about people “hoarding” not those evil people who stockpiled their supplies a year or two in advance.

Please tell me you understand the point, I’m getting rather tired of having to explain everything to the nth degree here.


92 posted on 03/08/2010 3:04:59 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

And you are totally correct about not saying anything in the first place to anyone else about what you have or don’t have. It’s nobody else’s business.


93 posted on 03/08/2010 3:06:34 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Oh, I understand your point completely, SAM, but it’s like standing before the judge and saying that you didn’t kill some one, you merely murdered them.

I just think its a minor point, overall. Don’t throw around either term while talking with people around you. Substituting “stockpiling” for “hoarding” isn’t going to make the baddies go away.

Likewise, please tell me that YOU understand the point that you and I are talking about the exact same thing, we just disagree on the wording, which is a rather silly point anyway, since it’s not something that I ever suggested you throw around in casual conversation with anyone.

And, as much as you hate “explaining”, remember it IS a discussion forum where people share their views, and I have as much right to share mine as you do yours. You jumped into the conversation of your own volition, but you’re welcome to stop responding if you don’t want to take it to the nth degree. That’s fine with me either way.

Have a good one.


94 posted on 03/08/2010 3:39:27 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: BerserkPatriot

FerFal’s stuff is amazing.

It’s like a how-to manual for surviving a collapse.

Thing is, it won’t be the same here. Argentina didn’t have as far to fall as America does.


95 posted on 03/08/2010 3:43:51 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

IF you can’t see your own example there is a HUGE difference between “killing” and “murdering”, from both a moral and legal perspective, friend, we can’t talk about anything anymore. You think a judge doesn’t know the huge difference in the two terms?

Killing someone is NOT the same thing as MURDERING someone. That is why the commandment dealing with this is translated accurately as “Thou shalt not murder” or “Thou shalt not kill without just cause”. Killing someone, in self defense (ie a JUST reason) is completely opposite of killing someone UNJUSTLY (ie murder).

You picked a terrible example to try to make your case on.


96 posted on 03/08/2010 3:47:34 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: dagogo redux

I’m overstocked with a lifetime supply in case the ammo dries up forever, but let me ask you a practical question. If the worse civil scenario that you can ever imagine happens, how much ammo can you carry in a backpack? How many shots do you figure getting off before “they” get you? That’s how much you want as a minimum.


97 posted on 03/08/2010 4:07:48 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Rule #1: Cardio.


98 posted on 03/08/2010 4:09:07 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Not really. Would it be better to stand before a judge and say you killed someone or murdered someone? Would you REALLY have a preference? Think a judge or a prosecutor ISN’T going to see an admission of guilt in either statement?

Or maybe it would be better not to say anything at all if you didn’t have to?

You’re making it either-or. I’m saying it’s a false dichotomy. I don’t understand why you are still nitpicking about which words to use to incriminate yourself or to let people into your “business” when they didn’t have any need to be there.

I’m saying the WORD for it doesn’t matter. Keep quiet about it! Keep hoarding! Keep stockpiling! Keep whatever!

Besides, that was only one sentence in my post. The rest emphasized what I said before. Don’t dilute or distract from my original good advice...get what you need NOW, while the getting is good, and leave the wordsmithing to the liberals.

Have a good one.


99 posted on 03/08/2010 4:28:31 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: cpdiii
If you use up 2000 rounds in battle and you are still alive the bad guys are really bad shots.

LOL

It don't work that way.

100 posted on 03/08/2010 4:45:30 PM PST by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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