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Dr. Mark Mostert: A Swedish Poster Person for Euthanasia
Disability Matters ^ | 3/18/10 | Dr. Mark Mostert

Posted on 03/18/2010 4:46:03 PM PDT by wagglebee

Those of us who can clearly see the slippery slope from human exceptionalism and the nurturing of life to assisted suicide and euthanasia on demand for any reason are often taken to task for being alarmist and illogical.

Don’t believe that for a minute.

As I have often written, the Netherlands pretty much led the way down the slippery slope beginning in the late 80s. Since then, we’ve seen assisted suicide legalized in several European countries and three US states.

I think it’s fair to say that the UK will likely follow sooner or later. In the UK, the poster person for the right to assisted suicide was Debbie Purdy, a woman with MS who has campaigned for several years to have her partner help her commit suicide without any legal penalty. Purdy’s persistence eventually resulted in an official clarification of UK penalties for those who aid and abet suicide. The clarification is quite vague, ambiguous, and potentially opens the door to all kinds of abuse.

Now Sweden’s own version of Purdy is asking that she be euthanized, and in her case, it will be euthanasia, because she is completely paralyzed and therefore cannot physically be assisted to kill herself by taking lethal meds, as is the case for assisted suicide.

From Sweden’s Radio International:

Swedish Woman Demands Euthanasia

A letter to the Swedish Social welfare board has rekindled the debate here on mercy killing – or euthanasia – at present banned by Swedish law.

The letter has come from a 31-year-old woman who has been tied to a respirator since the age of 6 – growing constantly worse from a neurological disease from birth.

Unable to take a single breath on her own or to move, she is asking to be put to sleep and that the machine be shut off so that she can end her life in what describes as in dignity.

She wants this to be done now – while she still has full mental capacities and before she gets worse.

Her Swedish doctor insists that her request must be respected – otherwise this is forced treatment against her will, and he is asking the association of doctors for a ruling.

The head of the association’s ethical committee says he agrees, that the social welfare authorities have in general agreed with the committee’s line, but now has make a clear decision lifting the ban on euthanasia to make it easier for the patient and the doctors to make their decisions.

Earlier Swedish headlines have been captured by some Swedish terminal patients travelling to euthanasia clinics in Switzerland and elsewhere – to get the help they are denied here in Sweden.

I predict months of handwringing, the pro-deathers loudly commandeering the media for their nihilistic propaganda, and the beatifying of this woman with significant medical disabilities.

I further predict that sooner rather than latter the Swedish legal system will be cowed into going along with euthanasia.

And along the way, trust me, we’ll be told repeatedly what a good, compassionate, and loving idea this is.



TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; moralabsolutes; prolife
I predict months of handwringing, the pro-deathers loudly commandeering the media for their nihilistic propaganda, and the beatifying of this woman with significant medical disabilities.

That's what they ALWAYS do.

1 posted on 03/18/2010 4:46:03 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 03/18/2010 4:46:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 03/18/2010 4:47:15 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 03/18/2010 4:47:39 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

This article doesn’t make Mr. Mostert sound like a very pleasant human being.


5 posted on 03/18/2010 4:55:08 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Psycho_Bunny

What makes him “unpleasant”? Do you mean the fact that he opposes euthanasia?


6 posted on 03/18/2010 4:58:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

dissenters will be euthenized.


7 posted on 03/18/2010 5:00:40 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (let the rich eat the rich.)
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To: wagglebee

He writes with a holier-than though, high-horse snarkiness that makes him sound every bit as annoying as the activists he condemns.


8 posted on 03/18/2010 5:00:50 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: wagglebee

People in horrible condition with no chance to recover should be allowed to commit suicide if they wish. And yeah, with proper consent, witnesses, etc, I see no real problem with assisted suicide in many cases.

Really no different than a soldier wounded and about to be captured and tortured by Islamic radicals- if he/she feels they are going to die anyway and may as well go out on their own terms, I just don’t have any objections to it.


9 posted on 03/18/2010 5:01:28 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Psycho_Bunny
He writes with a holier-than though, high-horse snarkiness that makes him sound every bit as annoying as the activists he condemns.

Why? Because he opposes euthanasia?

10 posted on 03/18/2010 5:01:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Longbow1969
People in horrible condition with no chance to recover should be allowed to commit suicide if they wish. And yeah, with proper consent, witnesses, etc, I see no real problem with assisted suicide in many cases.

ANYONE has the right to commit suicide, but that doesn't make it right and it doesn't mean that the government should participate.

Really no different than a soldier wounded and about to be captured and tortured by Islamic radicals- if he/she feels they are going to die anyway and may as well go out on their own terms, I just don’t have any objections to it.

It's totally different. That is dying to protect others.

11 posted on 03/18/2010 5:06:30 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Longbow1969

"60,000 Reichsmark is what this person
suffering from hereditary defects costs
the community during his lifetime.
Fellow Germans, that is your money,
too. Read 'New People', the monthly
magazine of the Bureau for Race
Politics of the Nazi Party."


12 posted on 03/18/2010 5:12:34 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Longbow1969

The government should not be in the business of killing innocent people. They damn sure shouldn’t be killing soldiers for getting captured.


13 posted on 03/18/2010 5:16:21 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

Apparently there was a word....or combination of words that you simply didn’t understand?


14 posted on 03/18/2010 5:16:35 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Longbow1969; wagglebee

Suicide is killing oneself. That’s the individual’s own decision.

Euthanasia is not suicide, it’s murder. There’s no such thing as *assisted suicide*, it’s legalized homicide.

What the deathbots want it to legalize certain forms of murder done by certain groups of people (so called medical “professionals”) to certain groups of people, those whose lives are not deemed to be worthy of living any more.

There are very effective ways of doing yourself in if you’re really determined to. You don’t have to have someone murder you because you lack the wherewithal to do it yourself.

The government should not be in the business of endorsing murder.


15 posted on 03/18/2010 5:19:00 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

As soon as someone trots out the phrase “holier than thou”, it begs the question - what’s wrong with being “holy” or rather, standing up for morality?

Someone doesn’t feel “holy” and therefore feels guilty? And dislikes people who stand up for morality?

High horse snarkiness? Meaning he says he’s right, and those who want laws changed so they can legally kill people are wrong?


16 posted on 03/18/2010 5:19:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Longbow1969

It’s one thing to commit suicide oneself.

People do it every day.

It’s entirely another thing to want doctors to be able to kill people. Call it “assisted suicide”, “euthanasia”, or “death with dignity” - it’s murder.


17 posted on 03/18/2010 5:20:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Psycho_Bunny; BykrBayb; metmom
Here's a phrase I do understand:

Thou shalt not kill.

18 posted on 03/18/2010 5:27:13 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I didn’t seen any holier-than-thou attitude in his writing. Where are you getting that from?


19 posted on 03/18/2010 5:33:38 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: little jeremiah; BykrBayb; metmom

Dignity is what a person brings to death, it has NOTHING to do with how they die and even less to do with how they “look” when they die.

Hitler had a party before he died, dressed in his finest uniform and chose the exact manner of his death. I’m sure he “looked dignified” before he died, but he didn’t have a shred of dignity.

Jesus Christ was stripped naked, beaten, mocked and nailed to His Cross. It’s very unlikely that He “looked dignified” to His executioners, yet He died with more dignity than anyone who will ever live.


20 posted on 03/18/2010 5:37:54 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: BykrBayb

Dr. Mostert is one of the leading experts on disabled people in the world:
http://www.regent.edu/acad/schedu/faculty_staff/mostert.cfm


21 posted on 03/18/2010 5:39:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Did you mean “retzach”?


22 posted on 03/18/2010 5:46:48 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: little jeremiah; Psycho_Bunny; Sopater
what’s wrong with being “holy” or rather, standing up for morality?

That reminds me of the Days of Praise entry we had on Tuesday. I was hoping not to have to type it out from my booklet, so I searched, and discovered Free Republic has a thread about it. Thank you Sopater.


DAYS OF PRAISE ~ Tuesday, March 16, 2010

23 posted on 03/18/2010 5:47:09 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

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24 posted on 03/18/2010 5:53:05 PM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: wagglebee

You said the truth as clearly and beautifully as anyone could.


25 posted on 03/18/2010 6:04:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: wagglebee
ANYONE has the right to commit suicide, but that doesn't make it right and it doesn't mean that the government should participate.

That funny little distinction between legal rights and moral imperative.
26 posted on 03/18/2010 6:27:13 PM PDT by Das Outsider (Cicero, where art thou?)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Swedes are mostly Lutherans. Now, maybe it's getting wide like the Netherlands. This euthanasia crap is spreading across Europe like wildfire. Lutherans need a kick in the pants for not being more openly pro-life. Remember Tiller the Killer was an usher at a Lutheran Church.

At least the Calvary Baptist had the balls to kick murdering Judge George Greer out of their church when he was scheming to kill Terri Schiavo. They finally killed her on March 31, 2005.

Lutherans, cut the crap. Euthanazi's, rot in hell.

27 posted on 03/18/2010 7:07:22 PM PDT by floriduh voter (I heart Adam Lambert from American Idol Season 2009. He's gay. Get over it.)
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To: Longbow1969

When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.


28 posted on 03/18/2010 7:32:58 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: wagglebee
The letter has come from a 31-year-old woman who has been tied to a respirator since the age of 6 – growing constantly worse from a neurological disease from birth. Unable to take a single breath on her own or to move, she is asking to be put to sleep and that the machine be shut off so that she can end her life in what describes as in dignity.

I would contend she has every legal and moral right to have her machine turned off.

She also has the right to ask that this be done while she is unconcious so she doesn't suffer as she dies.

I don't consider this euthanasia. That would involve giving her medication that kills her directly.

29 posted on 03/18/2010 7:36:01 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan; wagglebee

I am not sure what kind of equipmment is keeping this woman alive. The word “respirator” was used; usually this means a machine which does all of one’s breathing; and usually a person is sedated into a coma to tolerate the pain and discomfort. I’ve visited a friend who was on one; he was similarly sedated into unconsciousness; it was a temporary therapy after a serious emergency operation, and he survived and 20 years later is alive relatively healthy.

My understanding of “assisted suicide” is being given something that causes death such as any kind of pharmaceutical drug or other poison, or removing food and water. Of course some people are also bedridden and cannot take care of themselves at all, and if left unattended, would die.

But the realm of machinery that keeps people alive such as ventilators or respirators or other machines that take over bodily functions like heart or lungs - to turn these off, if the patient has previously requested, or is brought to consciousness and then requests them to be turned off, is not suicide. I do not know the details in this case.

I had an old friend who was diagnosed a few years ago with a very fast growing, inoperable and incurable lung cancer. He was in his mid-50s. He was put on a ventilator, and sedated heavily. His family arrived, and was told that there was not a tiny possibility of treatment or cure, and that death was inevitable, as the cancer had spread throughout both lungs and other parts of his body. They brought him to consciousness, told him the situation, and asked if he wanted to be kept alive on the ventilator or have it turned off.

He chose to have it turned off, and neither he, his family, or I consider it suicide. He left this world with prayer and in the company of his family and a couple of close friends.


30 posted on 03/18/2010 8:34:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

You are free to use that word if you want. It still doesn’t explain why you condemn Dr. Mostert for his opposition to killing.


31 posted on 03/19/2010 8:08:23 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: little jeremiah

I agree. Your friend died naturally.

[If all the woman wants is to turn off the breather, she is not committing suicide, she is living free of assistance for a few moments, and then dying naturally of her illness. I think people who want to die naturally are ok. But if you need to ask someone to give you a lethal injection or a pill or otherwise cause you to die, you are asking too much of them. They become your killer and it’s wrong to ask that of them. And it’s wrong to play God and do it to yourself. But if it’s time to “let go and let God”, ok.]


32 posted on 03/19/2010 1:36:23 PM PDT by married21
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To: married21

Exactly. Everyone born here has to die (aka “depart from the earthly tent) at some point. No one can stay in the perishable body forever, nor would any sane person want to.

But when we arrive and when we leave, is in God’s hands, and to try to wrest that power away from Him is pure destructive evil.


33 posted on 03/19/2010 1:49:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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