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Frum: Republican Waterloo
moderatevoice ^ | March 21, 2010 | JOE WINDISH

Posted on 03/22/2010 5:53:57 AM PDT by ironangel

Former Bush speechwriter David Frum says it’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the GOP disaster. And he blames this “most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s” on conservatives and Republicans:

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.

When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.

Do you think maybe we’ll see the re-emergence of some moderate Republicans?

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To: WashingtonSource
David Frum is a nudnick, idiotic, quisling, man of no principle, easily duped, and pawn of the left. And he’s a poofter, to boot.

No, he's a Democrat who infiltrated the Republican party with designs to cause as much havoc as possible.

Leftist Fascism is a religion. I don't think it's too much to believe that there are people willing to live amongst their enemies in an effort to destroy them.

51 posted on 03/22/2010 6:29:02 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: ironangel
I am not an admirer of Rush Limbaugh's character, though I am of his incisive ability to analyze and crystallize and verbalize.

Having said that, I think Frum's slander is completely unwarranted. Rush isn't hurting. I don't think he wants any such thing. Oh yeah, he'll profit by it, and he'll use it; but I do think he loves his country, and sincerely wanted this to fail.

52 posted on 03/22/2010 6:29:05 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: ironangel

Frum in a Canadian, he has never had America’s best interests at heart.


53 posted on 03/22/2010 6:29:41 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: DJ MacWoW

A nut? That’s only the half of it!


54 posted on 03/22/2010 6:30:51 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: ironangel

“frum”: a four-letter epithet and obscenity.


55 posted on 03/22/2010 6:31:11 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: MNJohnnie; ironangel
Yep Ironangle looks to be just another Moveon.org Faux “Conservative”

Take a moment to read his ten posts since 1999, everyone of them is anti-conservative and troll-like, just like this one.

56 posted on 03/22/2010 6:31:19 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberal politicians in the GOP are easy for the left to turn, why is that?)
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To: ironangel
When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests.

Spare us the two bit analysis.
57 posted on 03/22/2010 6:33:22 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: kidd
This is an idiotic article that is only matched by your equally idiotic comment.???

Huh? NOT MY COMMENT, it was Frum's...now apologize for your rudeness! Reading is fundamental, BTW.

58 posted on 03/22/2010 6:33:58 AM PDT by ironangel
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To: ironangel

What a jerk. You can’t “compromise” with evil, and attempts to do so (by idiots like McCain) were exactly what lost us the presidential race, among other things.

If there had been no compromise, there would have been a clear choice and people would have known what to do. But the Frum-style blurring of the boundaries led to confusion and despair.


59 posted on 03/22/2010 6:34:17 AM PDT by livius
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To: ironangel
THIS is what every helpless American patient now faces
because of Frum/Romney and Obama and the DNC. Thank you, all.

And a tip of the hat to Mitt Romney
for having invented the first of the abominations in the new OBAMACARE/ROMNEYCARE.
TAXes disguised as FEES. GO MITT GO. Very creative.

NEW TAXES: The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead) Page 203 Line 14-15
NEW TAXES: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.Page 167 Lines 18-23

NEW TAXES: New Medicare taxes on individuals earning more than $200,000 a year
and couples filing jointly earning more than $250,000 a year.
NEW TAXES: Tax on wages rises to 2.35% from 1.45%.
NEW TAXES: New 3.8% tax on unearned income such as dividends and interest.
NEW TAXES: Excise tax of 2.9% imposed on sale of medical devices.
NEW TAXES: Drug makers face annual fee of $2.5 billion (rises in subsequent years).


DEATH -PANEL: Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e...re-admissions). Page 280 Sec 1151
DEATH -PANEL: Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.) Page 425 Lines 4-12
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again -- no choice!) Page 430 Lines 11-15
DEATH-PANEL: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing! Page 272 SEC. 1145
DEATH-PANEL: GOVT COMMITTEE decides what treatments/benefits you get Page 30 Sec 123
DEATH-PANEL: The Govt mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!) Page 427 Lines 15-24
DEATH-PANEL: Rationing Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans Page 85 Line 7
DEATH-PANEL: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.) Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.Page 494-498 DEATH-PANEL: Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you Page 42
DEATH-PANEL: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates. Page 429 Lines 1-9 DEATH-PANEL: HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED Page 29 lines 4-16
DEATH-PANEL: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?) Page 429 Lines 10-12
DEATH-PANEL: Govt mandates establishment of outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.) Page 335 L16-25 Pg 336-339
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable! Page 354 Sec 1177
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.) Page 239 Line 14-24
DEATH-PANEL: GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!) Page 429 Lines 13-25
DEATH-PANEL: Rationing Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!) Page 85 Line 7
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!) Page 425 Lines 17-19:

ACORN: Payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & ACORN Page 65 Sec 164
ACORN: Govt will use ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan. Page 95
ACORN: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations, ACORN Medical Services Page 469

Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.Page 127 Lines 1-16
Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! Page 241 Line 6-8
Doctors: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!) Page 317 L 13-20
Doctors: Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.) Page 253 Line 10-18
Doctors: Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?) Page 379 Sec 1191
Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you. Page 298 Lines 9-11

Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! Page 149 Lines 16-24
Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!) Page 145 Line 15-17
Employer with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.Page 150 Lines 9-13
Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.) Page 126 Lines 22-25
Employers: Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure - Page 22
Employers: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly. page 12 4 lines 24-25
Employers: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.' Page 84 Sec 203

HOSPITALS: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.) Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3

ILLEGALS: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)Page 170 Lines 1-3
ILLEGALS: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise. Page 50 Section 152
ILLEGALS: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (illegal aliens.) Page 91 Lines 4-7

MARRIAGE: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so the government can 'deduct' their fees from your bank account)Page 195
MARRIAGE: Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. Page 489 Sec 1308
MARRIAGE: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. Page 59 lines 21-24:
MARRIAGE: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & 'National ID Health card' - Page 58

MONOPOLY: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan) Page 341 Lines 3-9
MONOPOLY: Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries. Page 265 Sec 1131
MONOPOLY: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. Page 102 Lines 12-18
MONOPOLY: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?) Page 321 2-13.





60 posted on 03/22/2010 6:34:53 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ironangel

It’s nice to see the fear spill out of these bed wetters. They have been trying this ploy as long as Rush has been on radio. This shows that these spineless worms who defined the last years of the Bush Presidency are still true to their communist masters. These architects of the apolitical, emasculated presidency of George W. Bush are trying to finish the destruction of America by discrediting any voice of dissent. The fight to repair America has just begun.


61 posted on 03/22/2010 6:35:08 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: AngryJawa

GWB hired an awful lot of infiltrators. Frum, Powell, Ridge, Whitman, McClellan, Richard Clarke, Norman Minetta... he was a good man, but his judgement of character was deeply, deeply flawed.


63 posted on 03/22/2010 6:35:28 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Redleg Duke
Your comment indicates too many traps where your forehead hit the HUD! Get real!

Why don't you read the article...IT'S NOT MY COMMENT BUT FRUM'S!!!

64 posted on 03/22/2010 6:37:01 AM PDT by ironangel
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
... he was a good man, but his judgement of character was deeply, deeply flawed.

Sometimes being a good man just isn't very helpful to the common good.

65 posted on 03/22/2010 6:38:19 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: ironangel

Frum isn’t Frum. His mother was the Canadian version of Walter Cronkite, let’s not forget.


66 posted on 03/22/2010 6:39:46 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: ironangel

Does Mr. Frum ever have any harsh words for the Democrats? I get tired of “conservatives” railing against railing against fellow conservatives. It’s your local socialist Democrats who are the problem, not other conservatives. Save your wrath for the Democrats and the other leftist fools.


67 posted on 03/22/2010 6:41:32 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: wita

Frum misses the point entirely. The HRC bill brought together the Republicans as nothing has in recent memory. Nobody was stopping Snowe or Collins or Castle or Kirk or anyone else from voting with the Dems. They didn’t for one reason, pure and simple: IT WAS A HORRIBLE BILL.


68 posted on 03/22/2010 6:42:17 AM PDT by Gunder
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To: John Valentine

Being nuts covers a lot of ground. :-)


69 posted on 03/22/2010 6:44:17 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: AngryJawa

It’s not when you’ve got a defective bad-guy detector. Bush didn’t have the slightest clue what he was up against with the leftists. And he never seemed to figure it out.

You’d think the 2000 election nightmare would have opened his eyes. Apparently not.


70 posted on 03/22/2010 6:51:03 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: ansel12; ironangel
The place is crawling with sleeper trolls today.

I guess they think they're too clever by half, when they are in fact quintessential douchebags.

71 posted on 03/22/2010 6:55:28 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: ironangel

Frum is a fool. Some of the nuttiest, most twisted ‘thinking’ I’m come across in quite a while. Sounds like a leftist.


73 posted on 03/22/2010 7:03:14 AM PDT by Will88
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

GWB’s opinion of Putin was blazing neon proof of that.


74 posted on 03/22/2010 7:03:56 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: ironangel

My apologies, then.


75 posted on 03/22/2010 7:11:25 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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To: AngryJawa

I held out hope that he was mindscrewing Putin with that seeing his soul crap. I don’t anymore.


76 posted on 03/22/2010 7:20:23 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

So does being a fruit.


77 posted on 03/22/2010 7:21:31 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: ironangel
Frum was appearing on leftist central MSNBC he he said this.

Frum: GOP's Health Care Loss Not Worth Potential Midterm Gains

MSNBC is where he belongs. He was trashing the Tea Parties from the beginning. This is merely a continuation. I don't know where Frum gets his Jones for talk radio. His theory of Rush's motive is titanic Bullshit.

78 posted on 03/22/2010 7:28:46 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: ironangel

I’ve noticed the Left trots Frum out when they are embarrassed, and worried about coming election cycles.


79 posted on 03/22/2010 7:35:04 AM PDT by Badeye (Still pretending Long Island is Manhattan, willie? (laughing))
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To: muawiyah
Frum is a spineless weasel. He blames us for the disaster, just like the idiot Rino’s who say we didn't support them hard enough and lost Congress the last two cycles. Frum says we should have absorbed some of the blame for this by helping the Dems slash our throats. Republicans like this scoundrel we absolutely do not need.
80 posted on 03/22/2010 8:00:10 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: ironangel

God, I am so tired of having to put up with people who are full of shit today! first, Obama, Pelosi and the Judas Stupak. Now this Frum idiot. I hope Rush talks about this on his next show.


81 posted on 03/22/2010 8:09:40 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: ironangel

What a pantload. Friday Rush was (again) reminding folks of what happens when Republicans decide to punish Republicans — we get a sewer-full of liberals and destruction.

All the wanna-beez piling on The Godfather who, once again, is right 99.99% of the time.


82 posted on 03/22/2010 8:16:16 AM PDT by NurseZac
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To: muawiyah

Frum is a sissy boy who thinks he is an intellectual.


83 posted on 03/22/2010 8:19:41 AM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: ironangel

Get lost...no commie vampires on FR.


84 posted on 03/22/2010 8:50:46 AM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: ironangel
Former Bush speechwriter David Frum says it’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the GOP disaster. And he blames this “most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s” on conservatives and Republicans: At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration

Frum is uncritically repeating the Dem talking points - the GOP offered many market-oriented alternatives and the Dems wanted nothing to do with it. The only bipartisanship was some Dems joining the GOP in the House in opposing this bill. Anyone who listens to Frum is as big an idiot as he is.

85 posted on 03/22/2010 9:02:10 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: ironangel

FRUM wants the liberal media’s attention with his name in lights so he can be a guest on all the talk shows. His social life must be pretty dull to make such stupid remarks but I am sure that the enemies of freedom will love his words and want to hear more because of his former position as “Bush’s speech writer”.


86 posted on 03/22/2010 9:18:09 AM PDT by Macgedos
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To: ironangel

If the Soviet Red Army conquered America, Frum and his ilk would lead the “moderate” Quisling delegation to try to “negotiate” a shred of freedom.

Frum and his kind make me puke.


87 posted on 03/22/2010 10:40:05 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: ironangel
"Former Bush speechwriter David Frum says it’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the GOP disaster. And he blames this “most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s” on conservatives and Republicans"

This is an asinine statement. The RATs had a super-majority and didn't need a single GOP vote to pass the bill. How can this be a GOP defeat, assuming that Frum actually wanted to stop the government takeover of health care?

The defeat came when Bush allowed congress to explode the size of government, then a RINO somehow won the GOP nomination for POTUS and fought against a communist nobody with all of the zeal of someone on life support. Predictably the GOP got their a$$es whipped in the '08 election.

That wasn't bad enough. The beltway GOP leadership (including Newt G.) pushed for a Marxist candidate in a conservative NY district... and the minority Senate / House "leaders" have stood up against this dictatorship power-grab like they're in a pillow fight against toddlers, while Rahm, Pelosi and Reid are using KGB tactics against any and all opposition - including private citizens.

"When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds."

Frum continues with an even more absurd statement. I assume the reason you pulled out this quote and provided no rebuttal is because you actually believe it. You need to wise-up about what's at stake.

This is not about a party looking good, or making an atrocious bill a little less damaging. This is about preserving our individual rights to control our government within a constitutional republic - not the other way around. And it's about preserving our strength and prosperity as a nation through our free-market, capitalistic economy. There are only a handful of effective spokespeople against this unprecedented, unconstitutional seizure of power. Most of them happen to be on talk-radio – outside of the beltway.

It was clear before 0bama was even the RAT nominee, that he was a Marxist who did not believe in the American foundations of a constitutional republic, with limited and opposing branches of government. With twenty years being deeply rooted in Wright's church of Marxist indoctrination - cheering for "social justice", teaching Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" to ACORN activists, using the Chicago political system to step around normal rules or over political rivals, and uniting with Marxist SEIU and Nazi Soros - this man has always meant exactly what he said in his rants about "fundamentally changing America".

The major failure of Republicans in this matter has been their slow, tepid, and conflicted opposition to the massive expansion of government by leftist radicals in the DemocRAT party - starting with TARP, then expanding to the "jobs bill" (barf), takeover of massive private companies that give the RATs control of entire industries (like student loans)... and on, and on, and on.

88 posted on 03/22/2010 10:48:03 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: ironangel

This guy is certifiable.


89 posted on 03/22/2010 12:02:00 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat
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To: ironangel

You sure post a lot.


90 posted on 03/22/2010 12:05:26 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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91 posted on 03/22/2010 8:32:15 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable)
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To: ironangel

Frum is a no good punk and you wasted you time posting this crap. Good luck finding one comment that agrees w you


92 posted on 03/23/2010 2:16:33 AM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: ironangel

“If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.”

Hate is a bottomless well. There’s always something to be angry about. Don’t believe me? Check out leftist tv/radio/journalism/blogs/message boards. See if they’re happy now that some form of healthcare reform has passed. No doubt they’re on average even angrier than conservatives are now. Because their wildest dreams have been met, and healthcare is finally on the road to being socialized. But it’s not enough. It’s not what they were promised. It’ll never be enough,


93 posted on 03/23/2010 4:16:20 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: roses of sharon
Get lost...no commie vampires on FR.

My apologies...I did not realize that you were the thought police around here.

94 posted on 03/26/2010 12:22:12 PM PDT by ironangel
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