Posted on 03/23/2010 4:06:41 AM PDT by eRtwngr
So how do the Democrats hold onto power despite passing the wildly unpopular healthcare reform law? Do you think they'll just give up their majorities and the presidency and call it a day, proud of their accomplishment?
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We stay home or vote 3rd party, they win.
What if England had flooded the colonies with ‘Loyalists’? What would have happened to the Revolution? It is that kind of demographic shift that the left has been pushing for a long time.
Several possibilities exist. The obvious one is to legalize more societal parasites who will vote for anyone promising them more "stuff".
Another possibility is the Obama admin pulls a Reichstag fire type event. ie; create a serious event and blame it on their opponents. I think it likely that the progressives will eventually get around to employing this strategy and blame the Tea Party movement and declare martial law thereby killing two birds with one stone.
Both Rahm Emmanuel and Hilary Clinton have publicly stated to never let a good crisis go to waste...it's only a small step further (for those not hampered by morality) to create a crisis.
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
I think they have already begun this-by lieing about the Tea Party bigots and spitting etc. (that didn’t happen) over the weekend.
Have yet to see the proof and most of the black Dems were recording stuff w/their OWN cell phones...where is the proof??
This will be done over and over again and WAIT until immigration stuff begins to happen; the unions will be involved and they will instigate a LOT of nasty stuff that will be blamed on the Tea Party people.
Make no doubt about it-they WILL infiltrate and I think violence is ahead...
I do not think there is any chance of the Democrats doing well in November unless marshall law is enforced and there are no elections. The Repubs will take the house that is about a given. They will take back the Senate as well. The Republican must take a lot of blame for being where we are today. When they were in charge they spent like drunken sailors and never said “No” to any big spending legislation. They lost the trust of the American people as well they should have. President Bush tripled the national debt and President Obama has tripled it again not counting how much the Healthcare bill add to it. Conservatives need to stand and walk in repentance and regain the trust rather then saying one thing and doing another. We can take our country back by attacking in the courts and at the ballot box by being “real” with the American folks who so want to trust conservative principles and see them applied. I would think someone that ran on a platform of cutting the size of government by 50 percent in 4 years could easily get elected and of course he would then have to cut that 12 pct plus yearly to get it done. Enough of my rant here but there is that much waste and inefficiency already it is a small task to get it done. We have two really important election cycles to turn this around and the American folks are waiting for true conservative to stand up. Lord knows there tons of Democrats that are true believers that walk in what they believe and the people be “damned.” When the conservatives listen to the folks they will prevail.
I made a similar post on another thread...so I agree with you. And yes, I think there will be violence...and like before it'll almost certainly be liberals who start it...like the SEIU thugs who attacked a vendor at a town hall calling him racial slurs for example. Apparently racial slurs are fine with progressives...at least when they are using them.
But I agree, I don't believe the racial slurs were made. I did see a report where someone called Barney Frank a mortgage crisis queen...or something to that effect.
Can you picture how loud the dems would scream against that sort of a platform?! LOL.
It sounds extreme, but I bet I could come up with ways to reduce the federal government by at least 50%...getting it passed would be a different thing, but the first thing you do is return powers to the states that belong to the states...and that removes redundancy and closes federal departments. The department of education being an obvious example, for instance.
Absolutely correct. This has been their game plan from day 1.
Amnesty will pick up some votes for them, but not as many as they are banking on ..
It will drive more anti illegal mmigration folks to the polls that may have been quiret on Obama care.
One thing that woud be interesting.. what Republicans( like McCain) would vote for it?? It could bring more members to the TEA party
I can not see them winning in November. Should they win again, it’s obvious that this USA thing is over and secessionist talk will explode.
Well Obama is down for it he even has a commission remember. So the Republicans can jump right in the help implement the good stuff they come up with and advocate strong fiscally sound policies without raising taxes at all. The public will go for it because they no longer trust government. Oh the squealing will be great but Obama said he is down with us on cutting the deficit so we can help hold him accountable. Paul Ryan and Mike Pence would be glad to help him.
I don’t believe they will...
The problem there is, of course, that Obama is a rabid liar. The only segment of the economy that has grown is the government segment; that is, more economic drain on a damaged and dwindling economic base.
If you don’t say what Depts, Agencies or Programs you’d cut you’re lying about cutting spending. Name names
From WND/Whistleblower Magazine:
Universal voter registration: Now being secretly prepared by at least two prominent members of Congress, this is essentially a scheme to legalize voter fraud by shifting responsibility for registering to vote from the citizen to the government, meaning people are automatically registered to vote, based on DMV records, income-tax returns, welfare rolls, unemployment lists and other government databases.
Illegal immigrant registration: Since government databases contain names of non-citizens, not to mention mentally incompetent individuals and felons – factors that would ordinarily disqualify a person from voting in most states – universal registration would open the floodgates to fraud. And since many people own property in more than one location and pay taxes to numerous government entities, they would be afforded the opportunity to vote in multiple locations.
Amnesty: Disguised once again by euphemisms like “comprehensive immigration reform,” amnesty will create millions of new Democrat voters. As Obama adviser and SEIU executive vice president Eliseo Medina said recently regarding amnesty: “Can you imagine 8 million new voters who care about our issues and will be voting? We will be creating a governing coalition for the long term, not just for an election cycle.”
Convicted felons voting: The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals late last year cleared the way for inmates to vote from prison. The court overturned a Washington state law prohibiting felons from voting until they are released and off parole, arguing state restrictions unfairly penalized minorities since they have a higher incarceration rate. Polls show felons overwhelmingly prefer Democrats.
Planting operatives in America’s statehouses: A subversive, Soros-backed group called the Secretary of State Project is gearing up to steal the 2012 election for Obama and congressional Democrats by installing left-wing Democrats as secretaries of state across the nation, from which posts they can help tilt the electoral playing field.
“This is just a taste of the astonishing revelations in March’s Whistleblower edition,” said Kupelian. “It gets much worse.”
Talk?
Yes-this is going to get very nasty-and we can’t even rely on FOX news to tell the truth anymore-Megyn Kelly just could NOT stop talking about the slurs etc. and she didn’t even use the word ‘alleged’...I had to turn off the TV-I couldn’t take it.
No more FOX in my home. I’m done.
I’d rather listen to the sheeple news so I know what they are up to.
But thank GOD for FR!!
I indicated one already...education. You're pretty quick to accuse people of lying...just ask politely and you will get farther in life.
But as you seem to be curious, I'd have to research more to have a through and exhaustive list, but here are some for starters...
Education department: this isn't a federal function...the states all have education departments anyway, so stop routing funds into bureaucracies in DC only to waste money and then send some back to the states. Let the states collect money for education in their own states and the citizens of that state will have greater say in how it's spent.
Social Security: This Ponzi scheme is going to crash because the politicians have already stole the money. This is trickier to get rid of because there is obligation on the part of the federal government to all those who have paid into the system for their whole lives. But start to fix this by allowing people to have individual savings accounts for retirement. They will get better return on their money and it'll actually be there instead of taken for some other pet government payoff. I have ideas on how to do this but it'd take more space and time to write it out then we have here and that I have time to run through. Suffice it to say, this is a program that needs to wind down and let people save for their own retirements. What constitutional authority provides for the federal government to force people to save only to have it stolen? This is 20% of the 2009 budget. It can't all go away immediately, but by making it controlled by the individual it will be greatly decreased.
TARP funds...this accounts for 4% of the 2009 budget...the federal government has no authority to pick winners and losers in business.
Medicare and Medicaid...these are government insurance programs. The federal government has no place in the insurance business. Again, this can't be just shut off because retired people are already dependent upon the program, but let people save for medical expenses as part of their private retirement savings. Like SS this will need to wind down and can't be stopped cold turkey but a significant reduction would be achievable in short order. This area accounts for 19% of the 2009 budget.
Earmarks: ban them. If something is worth paying for at the federal level let them pass a specific bill authorizing that instead of sneaking them onto other bills. It's impossible to know how much of the federal budget is included in these hidden costs as they are spread across all sorts of unrelated bills, but it'd be significant.
IRS: institute a flat tax without the billions of loopholes and you can get the tax submission down to a single page, or even down to a post card sized. Without the loopholes you don't need the vast majority of the IRS to chance down cheaters. There are a number of websites that discuss this concept, but as a rough example, perhaps the first 10,000 isn't taxed, and then a flat 18% or so on anything past that and allow a certain percentage of money put into the retirement/medical savings to be deductible up to some cap.
Fraud and Waste: The Office of Management and Budget estimated that the federal government made $98 billion in "improper payments" during FY2009. By downsizing the government there is less room for fraud and waste. A significant savings can be made just by changing the scale of government.
According to Wikipedia, an additional 29% of the budget is split between Discretionary spending and "Other Mandatory". I'm sure these two categories are made up of thousands of smaller categories, but I'd bet money I could find things to cut from the federal government in those as well....for example, get rid of most if not all federal funding for scientific studies. We've electrocuted enough lab rats...let scientists pay for their own experiments and studies. We don't need the federal government determining the best way to teach Chinese prostitutes how to moderate their alcholhol drinking, for example.
Military: why do we have about 38,000 troops in South Korea, 47,000 in Japan and 116,000 in Europe? Any idea how much we pay for that? Obviously having bases in some places adds to global flexibility, but we should let Europe defend itself and how about cutting the numbers in Asia down by 80% or so?
I don't watch Fox much anymore either. With Sheppard smith and Geraldo pushing their liberal agenda...well, they can say what they want, but I don't have to listen to crap.
And I was very disappointed in Megyn. Generally I have liked her other than her penchant for the sensational over the substantive...but I had just put that down as TV trying to be entertaining.
Fox has fallen into a format rut. Get two people to mildly argue only 2 different views, both generally extreme for 2 minutes thus avoiding any real substance and depth. It's more like watching 2 performing seals than 2 proponents of different views.
Well put-I noticed a change in them Jan/Feb, but I thought maybe it was me! I don’t watch a lot of TV anymore but I really wanted to see the Tea Party people do their thing.
And while the FOX crew do act in a sensationalist-type manner at times -esp. Megyn Kelly and Shlep-I thought it was THE WORST topic to use for that end; racism, hate, spitting on people.
And she said it over and over as if she heard it and saw it herself...I was really really ticked off.
To be ‘charged’ with racism is just as serious as actually BEING a racist...are you listening Megyn? If you cannot prove it, you owe them an apology in prime-time.
We NEED our OWN Conservative Channel...with News, History, etc....wouldn’t that be great?
If I won the lottery, I’d do it in a heartbeat.
Some say that it's impossible for the news to be presented objectively...bias of one sort or another will always exist. While there is some truth to that I know that the media could get MUCH closer to objectivity by reporting the facts. I know that's become a novel concept, but they should try it sometime...I bet it would be a hit.
I wasn’t referring to you about the lying. I meant candidates. And I like your list - a good start.
Yes it would-people are starving for the truth.
And FOX used to do that-tell both sides and err on the side of common-sense (one thing a lie lacks), but they don’t do that anymore as evidenced by the sensationalistic lies this weekend.
To me the truth is the truth is the truth. For that you need the facts and the proof. Simple to me and to most people I think.
That’s why when I hear less facts, more opinion and no proof-I know it’s a lie coming out of their mouth.
I do think it is VERY possible to do-it just takes integrity-and unfortunately for me-money.
I’m probably not rich because I would just give most of it away to good causes and people-what fun that would be!
Ah...pardon my misunderstanding. That's always a risk when communicating in a quickly written format.
Glad you liked the start of my list. Winding down the huge entitlement programs like SS and Medicare/Medicaid would take a significant bit of time since there is no way the government can pay the accrued commitment but perhaps people who have been working for under 5 years could receive a lump sum deposit or even over time payments into their retirement/medical savings plans...or something to that effect. People who have paid over 5 years but haven't yet retired could start the retirement/medical savings plans but would also retain benefits already paid into SS/Medicare. The finer details would take quite a bit of hard core research and study, but I believe the basic concept would be the best way to unattached the federal government from the entitlement programs.
Same here...if I won the lottery (which is hard because I don't buy the tickets) I would end up giving most of the money away. My personal needs are very modest (read that as poor...lol), and I don't covet huge houses, fast cars, private airplanes, fancy clothes or hobnobbing with the snobs.
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