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Bulgarian AK-74 - 5.45x39 (vanity)
3/26/10

Posted on 03/26/2010 9:49:46 AM PDT by Kartographer

Anyone have any experince with Bulgarian AK-74 - 5.45x39 especially this one from Centerfire Systems?

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/akagun-bul-2.aspx


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1 posted on 03/26/2010 9:49:46 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

I would like a AN-94


2 posted on 03/26/2010 9:52:09 AM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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To: Kartographer

Can you get 5.45 ammo cheap?

I remember the glory days of cheap, plentifyl 7.62x39 ammo.

Ahhhh, good times ...


3 posted on 03/26/2010 9:52:24 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Kartographer

Buy an AR15 in 5.56 instead. It’s a much better weapon.


4 posted on 03/26/2010 9:52:38 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Kartographer
No. I know you are going to here a lot of "what you should've done"s on here.

But, the AK 47 is usually more popular (ammo has more availability and from what I've seen cheaper).

I am going to guess that it is pretty similar to the AK-47 except for caliber.

5 posted on 03/26/2010 9:54:45 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Kartographer

Is it made by Arsenal? I’ve heard stories of QC trouble over there. But then, you get what you get. Went to a local shop lately and the guy brought out an AK that someone brought in for repair. Brand new, respectable fit and finish, but after 20 rounds the owner noticed something odd. The front four triggerguard rivets were backing out. No effort had been made to crush them.


6 posted on 03/26/2010 9:57:51 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: Kartographer; SUSSA

Re Bulgarian, recommend looking at Classic Arms.com.

But agree with SUSSA, 5.56 with a scope for head shots.


7 posted on 03/26/2010 10:00:40 AM PDT by frog in a pot (Wake up America! The Socialists are winning the long war against you and your Constitution!)
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To: Kartographer
Watched a special where they interviewed Kalashnikov. when they got to the AK 74, he said he hated it.

the Ruskyies wanted to copy us and our M-16 with its 5.56/223 varmint round....because I guess they figured we must know something they dont.

we are replacing the 5.56 currently in the sandbox with the 6.8, which can shoot through stuff other than tee shirts to hit the bad guy.

stay with the AK47 in 7.62X39...or better yer get ye a M1A1 or an M1, or even a FNFAL...

IMHO anyway....and flame away .22 lovers.


8 posted on 03/26/2010 10:01:17 AM PDT by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: Vaquero

There’s nothing wrong with the 74 as used for training at lower cost. Buy a 47, know how to use it, and practice like crazy on the 74. It’s fun and cheap.


9 posted on 03/26/2010 10:11:00 AM PDT by cizinec
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To: SJSAMPLE; Kartographer

Yes, you can buy 1080 rounds of 5.54x39mm for around (a little less than) $100.00 right now. I recently bought the gun, 3 40-rd mags, & over 3300 rounds of ammo for less than $1000. So far the rifle works well without any problems.

I also have an AK-47 and the reason I got the AK-74 is due to cheap ammo and easy availability since these are the two types of guns used in most communist & arab countries.


10 posted on 03/26/2010 10:12:22 AM PDT by TXDuke
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To: Kartographer
5.45 ammo is basically single-sourced Russian milsurp, isn't it? If you can't get that for whatever reason, you have a nice doorstop.

Better to get something in 7.62x51 NATO or 7.62x39 Russian, IMO.

11 posted on 03/26/2010 10:12:51 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: cizinec

ak47 ammo...the 7.62X39 is dirt cheap as you can still get surplus ammo and even non corrosive ammo at real low prices.


12 posted on 03/26/2010 10:14:45 AM PDT by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: SUSSA

There’s a problem with 5.56. It has NOWHERE near the stopping power of 7.62. I’ve seen numerous reports from the Sandbox and the Rockpile confirming this.

ALSO. .. our producers are pushing almost all their 5.56 out the door to the DOD. Whereas there’s a TON of 7.62x39 out there, fairly cheap. Someone else mentioned www.ClassicArms.us : I concur, they sell a lot of it, and do it cheaply.

Of course, if you want an even MORE dependable rifle at a price that can’t be beat, buy a Mosin-Nagant. 7.62x51R is even cheaper, and packs a lot more punch. I just bought a spam-can of 440 rounds for 99.95. . .


13 posted on 03/26/2010 10:14:48 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: SUSSA

No doubt most AR’s are much more carefully and more ‘to spec’ built weapons, but most cost 3 to 4 times as much. Yes I know there are less expensive AR’s, but then you get back into the fact that everyone will tell you how badly made the lower cost AR’s are. And before anyone says anything, I have no desire to build my own for the same reason I have no desire to build my own car, I haven’t the skills or the knowledge.


14 posted on 03/26/2010 10:18:02 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

No, but have had experience with 7.62 AK, and variants, some rebuilt/upgraded.

Why do you want an AK in 5.45?

And BTW, if you do go for the Centerfire AK74, watch out for shoddy tack welds on the muzzle brake etc...


15 posted on 03/26/2010 10:18:31 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade)
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To: Campion

5.45x39 is also available as new production wolf, not only as milsurp, although is still Russian. I’d be surprised if the various “bear” ammnunition (golden, silver, brown, etc) didn’t offer the round as well, but I have quality concerns about the dirty burning “bears”.
I’ve had very good results with a Bulgarian AK47, although my 74 is Romanian with lots of US conversion parts.
I’m considering dumping the Romanian to pick up the centerfire Bulgarian AK74, mine has a definite preference for Romanian steel mags, while friends with Bulgarian and Yugoslavian have been able to interchange any mags with better luck.
While it’s true that 5.45X39 is a niche round, it’s hard to predict what ammo may be available in the future, and it never hurts to diversify.


16 posted on 03/26/2010 10:22:01 AM PDT by nin_kasi
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To: USF

Well for one I figur the wife could handle the 5.45 better than the 7.62 and the price:

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/akagun-bul-2.aspx

Right now I am trying to choose between the one above and this one:

ROMANIAN BPS AK SHOOTERS PACKAGE over at:

http://www.classicarms.us/


17 posted on 03/26/2010 10:26:08 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Campion

I can get a ‘spam can’ of 1080rds. of 5.45 for around $130.00. I understand I am not Mad Max, Eli or Jed from Red Dawn. If 1080 rds. isn’t going to do the job then it another 1000 or even 5000 isn’t going to do it either.


18 posted on 03/26/2010 10:40:35 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

K, I get it.

The Romanian AK package is cheap as dirt, seems to take the double stack clips, with tapco triggers (reduces the harsher trigger slap on some Romanian varients). Most of the basic work seems done. There are loads of cheap mods and accessories for it too.

Experiences seem to vary on that weapon. Check for chromed barrel, batch quality - the stamped markings will be an indicator... will try to get you a link to that, and FReepmail later, if I can.


19 posted on 03/26/2010 10:41:15 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade)
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To: Salgak

1300 ft/lb vs 1450 ft/lb is, indeed, NEAR the “stopping power” (which isn’t real, so I used muzzle energy, which is real).

I’ll stick with a semi-automatic rifle over the Nagant any day.
Hell, I’d take an SKS before I’d take the Nagant.


20 posted on 03/26/2010 10:41:33 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Kartographer

It is always good to diversify your ammo so going with a 5.45 is a good option.

Also, what many military folks forget (and yes I am prior military too) is that there are different guns for different battles. For instance, I would not want to use a 7.62 to clear a house or school that contains innocents because that 7.62 round will probably go thru the bad guy, the wall, and anyone on the other side of the wall, and just keep going. However, for combat taking place over distance or in the open, the 7.62 is great. Defeating body armor is alo a consideration when chosing a weapon. You have to use the right weapon for the right situation so diversification is great.


21 posted on 03/26/2010 10:43:14 AM PDT by TXDuke
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To: Salgak

I agree except someone with an AR can hit someone with an AK before the person is within the effective range of their weapon. At 600 yards I can hit a target I can’t get close to using my neighbor’s AK. Also I can carry more rounds of 5.56 than I can of 7.62.

I was going to get an AK until my buddy’s son who is a retired SEAL told me to get the AR.

My neighbor now owns both and I may buy an AK at some point if I run into trouble getting ammo.


22 posted on 03/26/2010 10:51:50 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Kartographer

shot one a few years ago, but not this current one. Nice shooter and has the friendly AK guts.
It’s a very smooth shot and the ammo is dirt cheap, which is always good.
Can’t speak much for the ballistics of the round but it is fun gun to shoot. I think this place or another like Classic Arms, AIM Surplus or JG Sales has a beauty a few months back for $399.. I regret not grabbing it.

Happy shooting.


23 posted on 03/26/2010 10:59:02 AM PDT by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: SUSSA

I agree with you that the AR is much more accurate than the AK, but I wanted to let you know that there is an “after-market” part that enables you to move the rear sight on the AK, closer to the buttstock, thus making the AK much more accurate than it currently is with the forward rear sight. The part runs about $115 last time I checked.


24 posted on 03/26/2010 11:03:23 AM PDT by TXDuke
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To: TXDuke

Thanks I’ll check that out.


25 posted on 03/26/2010 11:25:49 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Kartographer

The AK-74 is a fine weapon. I personally prefer the Polish Tantal rebuilt by Central Arms. Make sure you go with one of the more recent builds as some of the older builds had barrels that weren’t that great.

You can by 5.45 and its one of the cheapest rounds on the market right now. You can get about 1000 Wolf Ammo rounds for about $250 from online sources. You can buy old mil surplus for cheaper but it is corrosive.


26 posted on 03/26/2010 12:04:05 PM PDT by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: ChinaThreat
I plan to buy Wolf for target and acclamation shooting and a 'spam can' of Russia surplus for SHTF
27 posted on 03/26/2010 12:07:40 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Good plan. It isn’t corrosive to the spam can...lol. Both are corrosive to targets ;-)


28 posted on 03/26/2010 12:54:53 PM PDT by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: ChinaThreat
"Both are corrosive to targets"

That's what I figured. Beside if SHTF I'll have plenty of time for rifle cleaning. And if 1080 rds. don't work to kep me a live through SHTF 2000 or even 5000 isn't either. I am not Mad Max, Eli or Jed from Red Dawn. ;-)
29 posted on 03/26/2010 1:12:20 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: SUSSA

I advocate the AK for a simple reason: they are nearly impossible to break. If you have the cash, buy both.


30 posted on 03/26/2010 1:58:17 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Yes, if you have the money, get a semi.

But for the price of a GOOD AR, I could equip 6 marksmen with Mosins.

Quantity has a quality all it’s own. And a big honking bullet never hurts when you want to reach out and. . .double tap. . .someone. . . (evil grin). It’s just slower with a Mosin.

My criteria for a fallback weapon: simple, reliable, and cheap enough to stock a few of them. . .


31 posted on 03/26/2010 2:02:29 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Vaquero
a lot of statists get extra holes in them.

But 5.56 doesn't begin to compete with the folly of the 5.7x25 for the Five-seveN and the PS90. I love the PS90 [/s], twelve million rounds of (almost) 22 Hornet. It's usually a clue you have a sucky round when you need a brazilian of them. FAL forever!

32 posted on 03/26/2010 2:05:39 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Salgak

Mosin-Nagant: The perfect cross between battle rifle and ICBM!


33 posted on 03/26/2010 2:06:33 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking
Mosin-Nagant: The perfect cross between battle rifle and ICBM!

????ICBM????Realy?

the bolt action rifle is a hunting rifle....and if I needed a bolt action battle rifle it would be a 8mm Mauser or a .30-06 1903A3....but I prefer the .30-06 M1 Garand or 7.62X51 M-14 or FNFAL. Now these are REAL battle rifles....

34 posted on 03/26/2010 2:15:01 PM PDT by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: Vaquero

I’m with you on the FAL and M1. Don’t have any personal experience with the Mosin but just poking some fun at it’s reputation.


35 posted on 03/26/2010 2:26:09 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Kartographer

You can get an AR-15 upper in 5.45x39 and have the best of both worlds, a more accurate firearm and the ability to use less expensive ammo.

You can also get an AR upper in 7.62x39. I have one and love it.


36 posted on 03/26/2010 3:47:48 PM PDT by Dayman (My 1919a4 is named Charlotte. When I light her up she has the voice of an angel.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

for the time being, 5.45 is still cheap to buy..


37 posted on 03/27/2010 11:41:15 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: Salgak

Good points, but I’d still rather equip them with six SKS rifles. Firepower, even with the fixed 10rnd magazines, and a cartridge that is much more manageable from the standing and kneeling position.

During WWII, soldiers had to be completely retrained on the M1 Garand. They were taking their time, waiting for that perfect shot when it never presented itself. They had to be retrained to provide a volume of fire in support of maneuver.


38 posted on 03/29/2010 5:07:53 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

To each their own. I can buy 2, and on a good day, 3 Mosins for the price of a single SKS.


39 posted on 03/29/2010 6:06:54 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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