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Arizona News - Hundreds seek to fill vacant positions at Pro's Ranch Market
azfamily.com ^ | April 22, 2010 | Dan Neligh

Posted on 04/28/2010 10:55:08 AM PDT by jcsjcm

by Dan Neligh

azfamily.com

Posted on April 22, 2010 at 9:46 PM Related:

* Pro's Ranch Market fires 300 employees working illegally in the U.S.

PHOENIX -- Job hunters turned out in the hundreds to fill recently-vacant positions at Pro's Ranch Market stores, where a federal audit led to the firing of some 300 workers.

Roxanne Nieves, one of the many that came out in search of a job, said she came to apply after she heard about the layoffs.

(Excerpt) Read more at azfamily.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Local News; Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; enforcmentworks; illegal; immigrants; jobs; thankyouarizona
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And the thought was the jobs that the illegal vacate could not be filled by legal workers and/or American citizens?
1 posted on 04/28/2010 10:55:08 AM PDT by jcsjcm
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To: jcsjcm

Marco Rubio needs your help TODAY !

https://www.marcorubio.com/fliptheswitch/


2 posted on 04/28/2010 10:58:15 AM PDT by Reagan69 (Let me know when those insurance premiums go down.)
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To: jcsjcm

‘Illegals are only doing the jobs Americans don’t want to do.’

This article proves that old canard is nothing but Grade A bullsh!t. Americans WOULD do the jobs but no one has offered the jobs to them.


3 posted on 04/28/2010 11:01:38 AM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: Reagan69

Scr*w him and Charlie Crist. Marco Rubio is against AZ law. Rubio is Mel Martinez 2. Crist s*cks too.


4 posted on 04/28/2010 11:01:54 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain & Graham = La Raza's favorite Senators)
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To: bigredkitty1
This article proves that old canard is nothing but Grade A bullsh!t. Americans WOULD do the jobs but no one has offered the jobs to them.

That's nonsense. Did you ever consider that the new job applicants had been laid-off from former jobs they had during the economic expansion?

5 posted on 04/28/2010 11:07:03 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: jcsjcm

Proof positive that illegals are hurting this Country more than anything.


6 posted on 04/28/2010 11:07:52 AM PDT by vpintheak (Love of God, Family and Country has made me an extremist.)
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To: jcsjcm

You mean the left LIED?!?!

Who woulda thought?


7 posted on 04/28/2010 11:08:32 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Frantzie

Another person who can’t read. The article emphasized he didn’t say he was against it. In fact, he wants the federal government to step up enforcement because he thinks they are the ones who should do it.

READ. Don’t be a knee-jerker.


8 posted on 04/28/2010 11:10:13 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: jcsjcm
"And the thought was the jobs that the illegal vacate could not be filled by legal workers and/or American citizens?"

Shows just how insulated and ignorant of reality politicians have become. Washington D.C. is a rathole of corruption, it's all about themselves and the votes they can garner. If you could lift up the shroud of power that covers Washington D.C. it'd be like picking up a rock and watching the slimey insects swirl around as they run from the light.

9 posted on 04/28/2010 11:13:16 AM PDT by jiminycricket000
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To: rwfromkansas

Maybe he should read The Constitution where it says the states can do what AZ is doing. He is a Jeb Bush-bot and Crist is worse.

The FL GOP is filled with RINOs who support the elites and the drug cartels.


10 posted on 04/28/2010 11:15:54 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain & Graham = La Raza's favorite Senators)
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To: DCPatriot
"That's nonsense. Did you ever consider that the new job applicants had been laid-off from former jobs they had during the economic expansion?"

Yep, each and every one of those 300 job applicants had just been laid off from vastly superior jobs they had procured during "economic expansion". And not a one of them would have sought out these type of jobs in the past, because "economic expansion" had literally spanned their entire working lives. They were all college grads and bank presidents. Groan...........

11 posted on 04/28/2010 11:17:58 AM PDT by jiminycricket000
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To: jcsjcm

bttt


12 posted on 04/28/2010 11:18:40 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: DCPatriot; bigredkitty1

” This article proves that old canard is nothing but Grade A bullsh!t. Americans WOULD do the jobs but no one has offered the jobs to them.

That’s nonsense. Did you ever consider that the new job applicants had been laid-off from former jobs they had during the economic expansion?”

_____________

So? US citizens need the jobs.

And this isn’t the first time. Other businesses who have been nailed during the ‘economic expansion’ and forced to get rid of illegals had people lined up for the jobs.

December 20, 2006
More applicants applying for Swift & Co.

[snip] Almost 800 people have taken out applications for jobs at Swift & Co. in the past month, but those applicants increased dramatically last week.

Linda Perez, director of Weld Employment Services, said her office was seeing about 100 applicants a week from Nov. 20 up to the Dec. 12 raid on Swift’s beef packing plant in Greeley, “but we’ve definitely seen an increase over that since last week,” Perez said Wednesday.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials detained more than 260 workers at the Greeley plant and nearly 1,300 companywide at five other plants last week.
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20061220/BUSINESS/112200084

Impacts of Illegal Immigration: Jobs
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_jobs.html


13 posted on 04/28/2010 11:29:24 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more ‘share the wealth’ socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Frantzie
"Scr*w him and Charlie Crist. Marco Rubio is against AZ law. Rubio is Mel Martinez 2. Crist s*cks too."

It's not so much that he's against the AZ law as it is that he's for himself. He wants those hispanic votes too, whether legal or illegal. Career politicians are all pretty much vermin. They make their way through life by deceiving people, and the better they are at deceipt the better they will fare in politics. Americans should have learned by now to trust NO career politician, and to keep their feet to the fire when they do get elected.

It's very "interesting" though, as I watch America implode from within via multi-culturalism and 'tolerance', I see the people in power intentionally increasing the divides and taking stands AGAINST the American people. They obviously see white Americans as a thing of the past, having been duly relegated to second class citizens whose voices mean little.

Conservative Americans have the numbers to turn this travesty around, if only we could unite.

14 posted on 04/28/2010 11:30:10 AM PDT by jiminycricket000
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To: AuntB

slaves get paid slave wages.

I guess they are not paying slave wages any more.


15 posted on 04/28/2010 11:30:46 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: bigredkitty1

I hear that all the time.

I grew up in Los Angeles in the 1950s. At the car wash, the people who dried the cars were Americans. Now they are all illegals.

If the illegals did not get the jobs, they would be filled by Americans again.


16 posted on 04/28/2010 11:32:46 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: DCPatriot
There is a problem with the logic presented by the last administration. Illegals cause wages to drop to artificial lows because of their numbers and willingness to work “under the table”. When employers get desperate they raise the wage they are willing to pay (along with prices) until they can fill their headcount requirements. If prices become too high or margins too low they seek lower wage alternatives (illegals).

Somewhere in that process, regular Americans and teenagers get pushed out of the work pool. The elimination of the artificial labor will help to rebound employment but will also cause problems with production until it levels off.

17 posted on 04/28/2010 11:52:07 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: bigredkitty1
This article proves that old canard is nothing but Grade A bullsh!t. Americans WOULD do the jobs but no one has offered the jobs to them.

I've said the same for years. My children grew up in an agricultural area in the 90's. It was almost impossible for them to get jobs in the orchards due to the "migrant" population working there. My kids were capable of the hard work and would have taken the pay being offered.

One son did get a job and worked with nothing but spanish speaking workers...they didn't do anything to make him feel included. Of course...he was just a white kid taking a job from an illegal...why would they talk to him? It was a great learning lesson for him - I think it helped to seal the deal on him being a solid conservative.

18 posted on 04/28/2010 11:54:38 AM PDT by zlala
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To: jiminycricket000

Rubio is another Bush clone like Mel “amnesty” Martinez.


19 posted on 04/28/2010 11:55:14 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain & Graham = La Raza's favorite Senators)
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To: jiminycricket000

I don’t care if they were high school graduates just entering the work force. That’s not the point.

It’s that when that slogan was first uttered, there was virtually full employment for a country of 320 million people. 4.5%

Now it’s over 10%! Credit lines have dried up.

After 16 months of The Barry Obama Show, many people will take entry level blue collar factory positions.

The original point being that statement once rang true. They filled the jobs nobody else wanted.


20 posted on 04/28/2010 11:55:48 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: BunnySlippers

Ditto BunnySlippers! See my post #18.


21 posted on 04/28/2010 11:56:10 AM PDT by zlala
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To: AuntB

I agree with “Americans First”, when the American needs to survive....to exist.

Too many Americans are at that stage today. It wasn’t like that when the economy was humming.


22 posted on 04/28/2010 11:59:54 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


23 posted on 04/28/2010 12:37:14 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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To: HiJinx; All

Have you guys read some of the comments below the article? Too funny...or sad, depending how you look at it.


24 posted on 04/28/2010 1:35:47 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: DCPatriot
"The original point being that statement once rang true. They filled the jobs nobody else wanted."

They filled the jobs that they wanted. Face it, it was the businesses who didn't want whites working for them because they wanted to employ a low-wage people who would not complain about it. MANY white people would have taken those jobs long ago, had they not been minimum wage jobs with no benefits. In effect, whites were FORCED out of that job market because they could not survive on such low wages. Whites don't typically like to live with 18 people per 2 bedroom house. Nor do they like to eat cat or dog. These things are necessary on a lower-than-minimum wage/ and no benefits "package" the illegals were given. This whole thing has been one big government sponsored BJ after another.

25 posted on 04/28/2010 1:38:10 PM PDT by jiminycricket000
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To: DCPatriot
"After 16 months of The Barry Obama Show, many people will take entry level blue collar factory positions. The original point being that statement once rang true. They filled the jobs nobody else wanted."

Maybe those white Americans just weren't prepared to live with 18 people per each 2 bedroom home. Minimum wage and ZERO benefits does tend to drive away serious unskilled workers and fill that gap with Mexicans who are quite willing to live in Turd-World conditions for A pittence. So again, it keeps coming back to the same old fact; many Americans COULDN'T work those jobs and survive, all due to tragically inept GOVERNMENT.

26 posted on 04/28/2010 1:43:43 PM PDT by jiminycricket000
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To: BunnySlippers

“At the car wash, the people who dried the cars were Americans. Now they are all illegals.”

As a high school teacher, many Anglo students holding low pay jobs, The Carwash, McDonalds, etc would discuss in class how much harrassment they received by the illegal workers Basically, they were bullied, set up for failure, and encouraged to quit.


27 posted on 04/28/2010 1:44:53 PM PDT by texteacher
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To: jiminycricket000

An “inept” government....? Try willfully blind and complicit. On the federal, state and county levels.

And your negative generalizations regarding ‘Mexicans’, speaks volumes about you rather than it does support your argument.


28 posted on 04/28/2010 1:53:11 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: jcsjcm

If we got rid of 20 million illegla aliens imagine the jobs that would open up.


29 posted on 04/28/2010 2:31:14 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: AuntB

Yep. Proof positive that Americans will do the jobs when they are given the opportunity.

Thanks for having my back, FRiend.


30 posted on 04/28/2010 3:20:21 PM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: zlala

It was a hard lesson for your son to learn at such an early age;but I am sure that he remembers it to this day.


31 posted on 04/28/2010 3:31:54 PM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: DCPatriot
Okay....I'm getting tired of saying this. But I will again...

I lived and worked in SoCal in the 70's until the late 90's...I worked construction some..and knew plenty of people that worked full-time in the construction business.

You could make a good honest living...painting, plumbing, framing, bricking, cleaning pools, cutting lawns, concrete work, dry-walling...etc...etc..

Illegals took those jobs from American's...because they would work cheaper. And the Fed's and the State didn't enforce the laws.

I went back to school..while still living in SoCal and became a health care professional. Many/most of the "cleaning folks" were Hispanic in the hospitals I worked at.

I moved to NE OK..in the late 90's...Most of the construction jobs were done by American's..and most of the manual jobs in hospitals were done by American's. Within 5 years...more and more illegal's were doing those jobs. Once again....because the Fed's and the State WILL NOT enforce the laws.

32 posted on 04/28/2010 3:36:20 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: RockyMtnMan; DCPatriot

It might interest you to know that dcprofiteer admitted long ago that he is “hopelessly liberal” on illegals (said so in his now-deleted profile) and in fact knowingly contracted with companies that employed illegals.


33 posted on 04/28/2010 4:58:47 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: jiminycricket000; DCPatriot

Hey, dcprofiteer, how many of the illegals you used to pay to clean your properties *by your own admission* are still hanging around? You still paying them?


34 posted on 04/28/2010 5:02:24 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Osage Orange

That’s exactly right.

And my point is that you can’t suddenly ‘find religion’ and round everybody up, breakup homes, families, destroy communities, businesses....just because their only crime is being here illegally...when they’ve explicitly been complicit in welcoming them here.

Eventually, after fines and a probation period, offer them citizenship.

They’ve been our ‘neighbors’. Their children are students and athletes in our schools...and perhaps dating your kids.

The focus here is to try to keep the entire Hispanic community to go to the Democrats....like the Jewish and black vote.

I warned everybody in here that this is what we’d be facing.

Now...we have to make sure it doesn’t happen before November....and gives us an opportunity to show Hispanics that WE’RE the country’s future.

And it’s not the basic hourly wage that made illegals attractive.

A typical employee costs about 5.5 weeks salary in a 4 week month. Disability, unemployment ins., health ins. are also a major PIA.

Here comes an eager, honest, friendly person that will do a quality day’s work, show up on time, sober....and all you have to do is pay him an hourly rate.

That’s what a REAL free market is supposed to look like.


35 posted on 04/28/2010 5:24:20 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: wtc911
I'm not going to get involved with your patented gang-ups.

You're just an old ex-cop with a penis complex....who's been stalking me on these threads for years.

I've demonstrated a willingness to debate and talk about this....and a couple of FRiends want to engage...and again...so pi$$ in the pool.

Get lost.

36 posted on 04/28/2010 5:33:03 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: DCPatriot
Gee, it seems you've got a problem with Law Enforcement, no surprise there. I guess it's tough when people use your own words, isn't it?

btw...you seem obsessed with my lips and my private parts...identity issues?

37 posted on 04/29/2010 5:51:06 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: DCPatriot; Osage Orange
They’ve been our ‘neighbors’. Their children are students and athletes in our schools...and perhaps dating your kids.

_______________________________________

No, they are the criminals filling our prisons (for crimes against our fellow citizens). They are the leeches soaking up our medical resources (how many border-state hospitals have had to close?). They are the gangs that are destroying society in every neighborhood where they settle.

Oh, and they are your employees.

38 posted on 04/29/2010 5:54:52 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: DCPatriot
And your negative generalizations regarding ‘Mexicans’, speaks volumes about you rather than it does support your argument."

Yawn, here we go again with the "racist" rhetoric. Funny thing is, the Mexicans who are here legally detest their 'brethren' who sneak here like worms under the dirt to suck off the system. These illegal snakes can take their turd world mentality and their culture of crime and corruption and go back to Mehico, where they can suck off of Calderon. Just as soon as they make a decision to skulk into America in the dark of night to evade our immigration laws, at that moment in time they have shown themselves to possess a criminal's heart. SCREW THEM. All TWENTY FIVE MILLION of them. And if you think Mexicans are a wonderful, industrious, virtuous people then you too can take a plane ride to Mehico and live there. If their immigration laws let you stay, that is..

39 posted on 04/29/2010 6:36:45 AM PDT by jiminycricket000
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To: DCPatriot
The following ought to tell you what I think of your post.

As Investors Business Daily reported in March 2005:

"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."

Citing an Urban Institute study, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies Steven Camorata noted in 2004: "Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That's a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population."

Former California Gov. Pete Wilson places the percentage of illegal aliens in U.S. prisons even higher. In 2001, he told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly:

"We had problems related to the costs of educating children who were acknowledged to be in the country illegally, healthcare costs. One in five in our prison population were illegal immigrants who had been convicted of a felony after entering the country illegally."

The Federation for American Immigration Reform also turned to the Justice Department to get statistics on criminal aliens. They report:

"In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones [including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings].

"In 2001, thanks to a decision by the Supreme Court, the INS was forced to release into our society over 3,000 criminal aliens [who collectively had been convicted of 125 homicides, 387 sex offenses, and 772 assault charges]."

Up to a third of the U.S. federal prison population is composed of non-citizens, according to Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics - but not all non-citizen prison inmates are illegal aliens.

As to the "hard-working" claim, CIS notes: "The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 24.5 percent compared to 16.3 percent for native households."

Investor's Business Daily concurs: "Once [illegals] get here, they are 50 percent more likely to be on welfare than citizens.

40 posted on 04/29/2010 9:06:57 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: jiminycricket000

You’re not long for this forum, noobie.

We don’t use that kind of language in here.

Please don’t post to me again.


41 posted on 04/29/2010 4:34:28 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: DCPatriot; jiminycricket000
You’re not long for this forum, noobie.

We don’t use that kind of language in here.

_________________________________________________

This from the guy who on this very thread wanted to discuss genitalia...

42 posted on 04/29/2010 6:35:22 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911
"Hey, dcprofiteer, how many of the illegals you used to pay to clean your properties *by your own admission* are still hanging around? You still paying them?"

How many? How do you say "zero" in Mexican?

43 posted on 05/07/2010 9:29:38 AM PDT by jiminycricket000
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To: jiminycricket000

The question was, as was clear, directed at the other freeper who has stated numerous times in the past that he made money directly from illegals.


44 posted on 05/07/2010 9:40:39 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: DCPatriot

It is not nonsense, many in my family have been misplaced over the years- pushed out of jobs they had and wanted because employers wanted to hire illegals instead. You are out of touch with the reality of illegal immigration. Long before the economic downturn many citizens wanted the jobs illegals had and were denied the opportunity. Illegals are far cheaper to employ and willing to put up with unsafe working conditions so there is no way for a citizen to compete with them for jobs.

Many business owners that hired illegals refused to hire citizens for fear they would report them for hiring illegals. Agriculture and construction jobs- as well as service type jobs used to be stepping stone jobs for those that wanted a career in those areas. Many people started at the entry level jobs and worked their way into management or ownership. Illegals took that opportunity away from citizens years ago and it got worse as time went on.

Politicians, media, and many others are very far out of touch on this issue. Do not swallow the liberal mantra of “jobs Americans don’t want/won’t do” it is simply not true.


45 posted on 05/07/2010 9:52:07 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: DCPatriot

That slogan was a bald faced lie when it was first uttered and has been ever since. Even during your virtual full employment I knew many people who wanted and needed jobs in construction and agriculture and service and were denied those jobs in favor of illegals. Many who do the entry level type jobs are not eligible for unemployment because they work odd jobs- handyman type jobs or whatever they can do to get by. That group of people are never counted in unemployment figures since they cannot apply for benefits. Young people who need those first jobs to prepare them for their future aren’t counted either because they don’t qualify for benefits either.

Reality is many unemployed or underemployed people want and need those jobs illegals had and no one would listen. Out of touch politicians, media and business owners that wanted cheap labor perpetuate the myth that we need illegals.

We desperately need to purge illegals out of our work force and get Americans employed in those jobs. If the economy improves to the point we really truly don’t have enough workers then we need to increase legal work permits. Our country does not ever need and should not ever have illegal workers.


46 posted on 05/07/2010 10:07:10 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: jiminycricket000; DCPatriot

Absolutely true- every word. The rest of the story is illegals couldn’t live on those wages either which is why they overwhelmed medical and social services. Giving businesses slave labor cost taxpayers a fortune and it is past time to end it.

Construction jobs, agriculture jobs, service jobs, meat packing- all used to pay a decent wage and many American families were raised on those wages. Illegals took those jobs and depressed wages to the point many of those jobs pay the same as they did 20 years ago.


47 posted on 05/07/2010 10:13:40 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: texteacher

Oh yes illegals stick together- if there is an opening they want it for their illegal family or friend. If a citizen gets the job they will deliberately run them off so the job will go to another illegal. Once an employer hires a few illegals they will take over and before long the workers are nearly or all illegal. The business owner is fooled into thinking citizens don’t want the jobs because if he hires illegals citizens know they cannot work there and get along.


48 posted on 05/07/2010 10:17:44 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: DCPatriot

That is not the real free market- they are ILLEGAL and do not belong here- period. They are the modern equivalent of slaves and anyone that supports illegal workers is supporting slavery. I thought this country outlawed slavery years ago.


49 posted on 05/07/2010 10:21:10 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: jcsjcm

Anecdotal, yet powerful, refutation of the “...doing the jobs Americans won’t do ...” liberal myth.


50 posted on 05/11/2010 5:34:26 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Let his days be few; and let another take his office. " - Psalm 109:8)
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