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What 24's Jack Bauer Taught Me About Revenge
TheCypressTimes.com ^ | 05/12/2010 | Julie Arduini

Posted on 05/12/2010 3:37:30 PM PDT by Patriot1259

Monday night I watched with hands over half open eyes the torturous scene the character Jack Bauer inflicted on the villain of the episode. The bad guy was a Russian terrorist involved with the murder of Jack’s love interest and colleague, Renee Walker. If I had been watching the episode in a movie theater, I’m pretty sure it would have been Rated “R”. It was a gruesome and difficult scene.

During the climax of the scene, Jack needs a SD card that the terrorist swallowed. In what appeared to be a psychotic rage, the episode ends with a very dead terrorist and Jack holding the card. As this took place, the effect multiplied with the music backdrop, God downloaded something to my heart:

This is what unforgiveness looks like.

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TOPICS: Religion; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: christ; forgiveness; liberalagenda; revenge; suffering
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1 posted on 05/12/2010 3:37:31 PM PDT by Patriot1259
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To: Patriot1259

For me, it is too late for him to get a pair of balls. He lost them in the last season’s debacle with Madam Presidente.....


2 posted on 05/12/2010 3:42:21 PM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Patriot1259
the episode ends with a very dead terrorist and Jack holding the card

No it doesn't

3 posted on 05/12/2010 3:43:45 PM PDT by HospiceNurse
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To: Patriot1259

I prefer the Jewish axiom: “When someone gets up in the morning to kill you, wake up earlier and kill him first.”


4 posted on 05/12/2010 3:44:38 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Patriot1259
It also teaches us that torture and killing is a very effective way to stop terrorists.

I don't get why people were whining about Bauer killing Dana Walsh. She was a traitor and deserved that fate.

5 posted on 05/12/2010 3:45:10 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Patriot1259

liberals pretend ??


6 posted on 05/12/2010 3:46:40 PM PDT by Tarpon (Obama-Speak ... the fusion of sophistry and Newspeak. It's not a gift, it's just lies.)
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To: Patriot1259
I think they did a really good job highlighting the diff between water-boarding and real torture in that hour.

Getting throttled, sliced, splashed with acid, and burned would truly suck.

7 posted on 05/12/2010 3:47:26 PM PDT by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: Patriot1259

It isn’t unforgiveness. The guy could have given him what he needed without him having to die from being tortured.

It’s like when an intruder busts into your home and you defend yourself by stopping the threat with your firearm. You didn’t intend for him to die, that’s an unfortunate outcome (for the criminal) of you stopping the threat.

The guy being tortured could have spared himself going through all that if he’d have just cooperated. Him dying wasn’t the goal, getting the info was. Him dying was an unintended consequence. Jack didn’t care if the guy survived or not, he needed the card one way or another. One way the guy could have lived without any torture at all, a whole other ways of varying pain but still alive, and then maybe several ways of him dying from different reasons. The guy chose to take his chances and hold out. The fictitious thug character lost the gamble and he died.


8 posted on 05/12/2010 3:49:48 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Patriot1259
During the climax of the scene, Jack needs a SD card that the terrorist swallowed. In what appeared to be a psychotic rage, the episode ends with a very dead terrorist and Jack holding the card.

It would have been difficult to get the POTUS on 24 to OK a searc warrant and besides the Russian guy won't need a SIMM card where he's going. Right?

9 posted on 05/12/2010 3:49:57 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Patriot1259
I gave up on 24 a few years ago.

The woman president was a bad character, and the season was awful.

I LOVE the early seasons.

10 posted on 05/12/2010 3:50:12 PM PDT by Leo Farnsworth (I'm really not Leo Farnsworth.)
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To: Patriot1259

Meh, watch “Taken” with Liam Neeson sometime if you are into “24.”

It’s an amazing film.


11 posted on 05/12/2010 3:50:58 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: Gaffer

Huh? He has always respect the office of POTUS. Until POTUS crosses him


12 posted on 05/12/2010 3:51:12 PM PDT by misterrob (Have you tea bagged a liberal today?)
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To: Patriot1259

"when making a decision, make sure it's not the last one"

13 posted on 05/12/2010 3:54:10 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: Secret Agent Man

He was going to kill that dude, no question.


14 posted on 05/12/2010 3:54:33 PM PDT by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: misterrob

C’mon! Didn’t you watch last season? Shoot! I tell you...I DVR’d 16 or 18 episodes this season (can’t remember, don’t care)....I looked last night at the wasted space they took up and deleted them UNSEEN. Why? Well, based on the contrite, introspective, remorseful, penitent pussy I saw last season, I just did not want to open up the first episode of this season now and see ole hardball Jack walk into a grocery store and buy a box of friggin’ tampons, THAT’s WHY! 24 is O-V-E-R, let’s try to remember the good ‘days’...


15 posted on 05/12/2010 3:55:39 PM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Patriot1259

Forgiveness only makes sense if there is assurance of final victory against evil. Otherwise, there would be nothing left in a demented hopeless world but vengeance against a limitless enemy.


16 posted on 05/12/2010 3:55:50 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left Ecclesiastes10:2)
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To: All


17 posted on 05/12/2010 3:56:41 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Patriot1259

I said “yes” when he capped Dana last week, and another “yes” when he shot her again.

Tough darts for the Russian - remember Nicholas Cage ruminating in “The Rock” that he was going to get “gutted”? Well, the Russian got “gutted”.

Now let’s see what Jack has in store for ex President Logan.


18 posted on 05/12/2010 4:00:59 PM PDT by pineybill (`)
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To: Patriot1259

Julie, you’re an idiot!
This isn’t a lesson to be translated into a sermon!

Jack is trying to prove the Russians were behind the earlier terrorism and assasination to prevent the peace accord. The SD chip traces a call from the Russian terrorist to the former President.

This will end up giving the current President deniability relating to the Russians misdeeds.

Did Jack’s personal loss make it easier to torture the Russian? Yes, so?
It certainly has NOTHING to do with his unwillingness to forgive.....sheesh!


19 posted on 05/12/2010 4:02:44 PM PDT by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: pineybill

you just ruined things for me......I just saw the episode where martha stabbed him.......so he lived? dang.


20 posted on 05/12/2010 4:03:23 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Patriot1259

What bullcrap.

This is what retribution looks like. Something “we” have forgotten since 9-11, or we wouldn’t be playing pussy games with KSM, calling US soldiers ‘murderers’ and giving lawyers to terrorists. Think back to 9/12 and the weeks that followed...as a nation we HAVE forgotten.

Jack never forgets.


21 posted on 05/12/2010 4:03:27 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Patriot1259

The author is a fool and a sissy.


22 posted on 05/12/2010 4:06:00 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Patriot1259

Psssssst... don’t tell anyone... it’s make believe... you know... TV.

LLS


23 posted on 05/12/2010 4:06:30 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: Patriot1259

One of my all-time favorite scenes on TV. The scumbag he killed deserved to suffer more, but time was of the essence.


24 posted on 05/12/2010 4:11:17 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (The 0bama regime represents an "Clear and Present Danger" to the US - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Patriot1259

I consider myself a nice guy. I hold doors open for people, let cars merge in front of me, wait patiently in line.

That being said, if anyone ever hurt one of my family, their death would be long, loud, and bloody.

Guess I was wrong about that nice guy thing.


25 posted on 05/12/2010 4:11:27 PM PDT by 11Bush
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To: Nachum

Nice and wise axiom!


26 posted on 05/12/2010 4:15:42 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Gaffer
walk into a grocery store and buy a box of friggin’ tampons

Don't knock 'em, those things are great for deep wounds.

27 posted on 05/12/2010 4:19:11 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: pineybill

“Now let’s see what Jack has in store for ex President Logan.”

I agree. The lying hate America/former President is facing a bad hair day.


28 posted on 05/12/2010 4:25:58 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Michael Barnes

****Don’t knock ‘em, those things are great for deep wounds.****

Is that whet they are calling them now a days?


29 posted on 05/12/2010 4:28:01 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Prepare for battle and never forsake the Lord...unknown)
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To: Gaffer
THAT’s WHY! 24 is O-V-E-R, let’s try to remember the good ‘days’...

OK, you don't like "24"........thanks for sharing with us but the truth is, nobody cares what you think...........

I don't like beets so lets make a thread of it.........

30 posted on 05/12/2010 4:35:13 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Peanut butter was just peanut butter until I found Free Republic.........)
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To: Gaffer

I think the current episodes are great. You’re missing out.


31 posted on 05/12/2010 4:45:10 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (Illegal immigration is destroying America, look what it's done to the White House)
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To: Hot Tabasco

bttt


32 posted on 05/12/2010 4:48:26 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Patriot1259

Awesome last season. Jumped the shark my ass.


33 posted on 05/12/2010 4:50:48 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Prole
Taken was quite good, except for the pat early bit with family to show Neeson's character as estranged from his daughter, and then the final sequence to show them happily reconciled. Spartan, with Val Kilmer, is similar and in some respects better, being more uncompromising and cynical.
34 posted on 05/12/2010 4:55:10 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Patriot1259; Nachum; pnh102; Secret Agent Man; G Larry

I left this comment at the article.

Revenge and retribution are close to each other in the dictionary and have nearly the same definition. The only difference being that in the latter case an authority person or organization gives their blessing to process and outcome, while retaining a chosen level of deniability. The Russian terrorist was collateral damage in the process of obtaining the information, which was a legitimate objective.

Over the years Jack has not indiscriminately killed or tortured, but has kept sufficiently focused on the objective to evaluate an enemy’s value. However, Jack has never subscribed to the author’s asymmetrical definitions of sweetness and light, which allow good people to become perpetual victims. The author should try reading about Dietrich Bonheoffer sometime.


35 posted on 05/12/2010 4:56:05 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Anti-Utopian
I think they did a really good job highlighting the diff between water-boarding and real torture in that hour.

I know that 24 is fiction but I couldn't help but think that was waterboarding?

36 posted on 05/12/2010 5:01:24 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Patriot1259; 3D-JOY; 50mm; AGreatPer; calcowgirl; cindy-true-supporter; concretebob; Disco Dave; ...
FWIW, Julie, I didn't lose a minute of sleep over pulling that SIM card out of that Russian's intestines.
36½ posted on 05/12/2010 8:06:25 PM EDT by Jack Bauer (Chuck Norris wears Jack Bauer pajamas)

To: 3D-Joy; 50mm; AGreatPer; calcowgirl; cindyTrueSupporter; concretebob; Disco Dave; Doctor Raoul; ...
ping!

If you want off my ping list get over it!


37 posted on 05/12/2010 5:13:19 PM PDT by BufordP (Once a Marine - always a Marine ... Until Jack Murtha.)
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To: ResponseAbility; Michael Barnes

Had a freeper who had a son in Iraq and said sanitary napkins, tampons and expecially the thick napkins are great on the battle field, easy to carry and weigh practically nothing...a little knowledge about a subject is better than none......


38 posted on 05/12/2010 5:58:46 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Grampa Dave
I thought the scene of the Russian being interrogated was restrained. The implication of him dying with the opening of his peritoneal cavity and then the stomach would not have killed him. I have had many people come into the ER with their hands holding their bowel. It was not believeable to think that Jack could surgically locate the simm card so quickly. That being was it was, I remarked to my brother that I had hoped the "blow-torch" scene might have been a little more.....well,...bacon sizzling...type of coersion. He simply remarked he believed that was an opener to what Jack will do with Logan.

The thing which disappoints is that the moral seems to be leading up to a conclusion that we (American) are no better than the islamofascists.....a conclusion which I summarily reject.

That being said, it is just a fiction inside a television show, which has been 'bedi,bedi, good' to Kieffer Sutherland. $43,000,000.00 plus residuals and reruns.

39 posted on 05/12/2010 7:41:31 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: BufordP

I wish I had Jack Bauer pajamas! Oh do I want to get in his pajamas? OOPS!!


40 posted on 05/12/2010 7:45:32 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: Texas Songwriter
The thing which disappoints is that the moral seems to be leading up to a conclusion that we (American) are no better than the islamofascists.....a conclusion which I summarily reject.

Even if we summarily killed off all the islamofascists on the planet, we would STILL be better than they are. No worse fate than for radical Islam to dominate America...except maybe for Communism...oh, wait...

41 posted on 05/12/2010 8:05:44 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (70 mph shouldn't be a speed limit; it shoud be a mandate!)
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To: Prole
Best
film
ever

Saw it twice in the theater

42 posted on 05/12/2010 8:26:55 PM PDT by ASOC (Things are not always as they appear, ask the dog chasing the car)
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To: Gaffer
buy a box of friggin’ tampons

Tampons? Where did I see that recently? Oh, yes. On Top Gear. Bolivia episode. First half was hilarious. Second half was harrowing.

43 posted on 05/12/2010 9:11:55 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Laura Bush is FOR the butchering of babies in the womb. She is pro-abortion.)
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To: 3D-JOY; BufordP

BufordP look what you’ve gone and done - Sweet dreams 3D


44 posted on 05/13/2010 2:17:18 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Victory or Death)
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To: pnh102; Jack Bauer; BufordP; 3D-JOY

No video of Jack in his PJs for 3DJoy??


45 posted on 05/13/2010 3:05:32 AM PDT by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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To: Texas Songwriter

“He simply remarked he believed that was an opener to what Jack will do with Logan.”

Whatever Jack does will be appropriate for traitors who have served in high positions in this country.


46 posted on 05/13/2010 6:00:07 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

Thanks for the good wishes...it was a good night and dreams were X-rated excellent! LOL


47 posted on 05/13/2010 10:13:43 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: trooprally

No problem...dreams and imagination took care of it all! LOL


48 posted on 05/13/2010 10:14:58 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: Nachum
There was once a comic called "Marshall Law". Great poster from that comic had Marshall Law with the wording
They say I should pray for my enemies.

I do.

I pray they all go to Hell!


49 posted on 05/13/2010 10:25:42 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I always like the line from “Red Dawn”:
‘Boy, all that hate’s gonna burn you up.’

Slight smirk, “It keeps me warm.”


50 posted on 05/13/2010 10:48:43 AM PDT by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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