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Vanity: Should my son enlist in Army or Marines?
keats5 | 6/16/2010 | keats5

Posted on 06/16/2010 11:34:05 AM PDT by keats5

My 20 year old son has informed us that he intends to enlist in either the Army or Marines, after his first year of college. He did alright in college, but he is not set on any particular civilian job. What he really wants to do is something in the military, and he wants to do that full time without waiting to complete another three years of college.

He was majoring in exercise science with a mild interest in physical therapy down the line, but he's not enthralled with those majors. He would seriously consider being a lifer in the military. He has also expressed interest in Police, FBI, CIA type work.

He is in amazing shape, as he is a gym rat who gets up at 5 AM every morning to work out 2-3 hours before work/ school. (By the way, he did not get this drive from his parents.) He is above average intelligence, fine at math, science and well written. He has talked to an Army recruiter and was told he would have to decide on a job before he began training. So far, he is interested in the pathway to an Army Ranger. He still needs to talk to a Marine recruiter.

Do any of your FReepers have some wisdom to share? He would like to eventually get his degree, ideally while in the military. If he serves his four years, could he gain some college credit in the military? If he switched into the reserves while he got his degree, would that affect his pension? Which civilian jobs could he aim for from a Ranger background?

Anything you could share would be most appreciated. Thanks.


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1 posted on 06/16/2010 11:34:06 AM PDT by keats5
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To: keats5

Air Force.


2 posted on 06/16/2010 11:35:17 AM PDT by counterpunch (Heckuva job, Barry!)
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To: keats5

The Marine recruiter will ask him, “Would you be more satisfied after climbing over a 6 foot wall or a 12 foot wall?”


3 posted on 06/16/2010 11:36:10 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: keats5

Marines, see tagline.


4 posted on 06/16/2010 11:36:40 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: keats5

Can he squeeze his head in a jar? If so, Marines....


5 posted on 06/16/2010 11:36:45 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: keats5

He might try for an appointment to one of the academies.


6 posted on 06/16/2010 11:37:00 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: keats5

An Infantry background will not give him the technical abilities for many jobs. However, it will give him the leadership background and employers love grunts.

Combine infantry with a college degree and he’s a solid prospect.

I’m partial to My Army (America’s senior service - we always march in the FRONT), but the USMC is no slouch either. The Army offers a better selection of duty assignments (positions, countries, units, etc.).

Anyway, he’s be mighty priveleged to serve in any of our country’s services.


7 posted on 06/16/2010 11:37:16 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: keats5

Marines. He will become 10 feet tall and the world will cower in his presence. Army. Not so much. Navy and Air Force. You have to be kidding.


8 posted on 06/16/2010 11:37:17 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: keats5

“Vanity: Should my son enlist in Army or Marines?”

Neither, for two reasons:

1) We don’t have a Commander-in-Chief who is an American citizen: therefore, all orders Nobama gives will be ruled moot

2) The person who is acting as Commander-in-Chief is a muslim, and is therefore speaking for the enemies of our country.


9 posted on 06/16/2010 11:39:04 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: keats5

If he has the time and the opportunity any service will pay 75% to 100% of his tuition and books for college courses completed while he serves. In a perfect world he could finish a 4 year degree during his enlistment, get out, and then use his GI BILL to pay for grad school.


10 posted on 06/16/2010 11:39:45 AM PDT by Thurston_Howell_III (Ahoy polloi... where did you come from, a scotch ad?)
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To: keats5
Does he like being around people who will challenge him all the time? If he's in the top 2% in physical shape, he's an average Marine. I recommend he goes for ANGLICO, as calling in really big boom’s on bad guys is something he should find personally satisfying.
11 posted on 06/16/2010 11:40:21 AM PDT by Waverunner
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To: Sir Gawain
The Air Force recruiter will tell him about flying and all the technology.
The Navy recruiter will tell him that he "can see the world!"
The Army recruiter will tell him that he will be "Army Strong!"
The Marine recruiter will tell him to "go back home to your Momma until you are ready to commit your life to the Corps!"
12 posted on 06/16/2010 11:41:18 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON and moderates make me PUKE!!!")
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To: keats5

Might want to consider becoming a combat medic or firefighter/para-medic. Great training and excellent employment opportunities if he wants to get out after his commitment. Depending on the state, fire department paramedics have income-time off-retirement advantages that he wouldn’t have to finish college to have a very good income and support a family.


13 posted on 06/16/2010 11:41:20 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: keats5
N A V Y

Just sayin...

14 posted on 06/16/2010 11:41:30 AM PDT by NorCoGOP (Recession: friend loses his job. Depression: You lose your job. Recovery: Obama loses his job.)
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To: keats5
If he can't decide between the Army and The Marine Corps, as if they were the same, then the Marines don't want him.
Semper Fi ...

15 posted on 06/16/2010 11:41:36 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: keats5

My youngest son is a former Marines. He served as a SAW gunner in Iraq. The physical and mental transformation was amazing, and very positive.

I am very proud of him.


16 posted on 06/16/2010 11:42:12 AM PDT by LifePath
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To: keats5

Do you trust your politicians,specificly the present commander in chief?If you Then yes I would reccomenda stint in the military.

If you don’t trust him the I would avoid making that reccomendation untill the present commander in chief is voted out.

Afterall you have to trust the President to do the Right thing and not place the lives of your lovedones in jeopardy uneccessarily.


17 posted on 06/16/2010 11:42:15 AM PDT by puppypusher
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To: keats5

I suggest the USMC.


18 posted on 06/16/2010 11:42:39 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: keats5

I would say that which ever Corps gives him the best deal on training for a civilian job.


19 posted on 06/16/2010 11:43:00 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: keats5
After having spent two years in the Navy and 20 in the Army, I would say that either the Marines or the Army would be better for his enlistment.

However, speaking as an ex-infantryman who became a REMF court reporter/stenographer, if he's as smart as you say, my recommendation would be for him to go into ROTC at the college and come into the Service as an officer. Any officer who has a parent who is also a FReeper is someone that the Army desperately needs.

20 posted on 06/16/2010 11:43:09 AM PDT by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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To: keats5

As long as Obama is CIC, neither.


21 posted on 06/16/2010 11:43:13 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: keats5

I’m a Navy guy, so I say Marines.

However, it pains me to say that I do not recommend the military at this time. The Pentagon has become very political, and troops are hung out to dry in an effort to fight PC wars. See Haditha.

Now they are encouraging “Compassionate Restraint”, and even awarding medals for it.

Military service is honorable, and I believe the Marines will do a better job than any branch of looking out for each other. But I suggest that he really pray about it.

Hopefully we will get some new leadership in both the WH and Pentagon.


22 posted on 06/16/2010 11:43:42 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: keats5

Marines


23 posted on 06/16/2010 11:43:45 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: keats5
With Øbama as CinC...you might want to think about it altogether. With the impending repeal of DADT, I'd think about it, particularly if your son would be an enlisted type.

Otherwise...it depends upon what he wants to get out of it. Is he looking to gain a skill that is readily transferable after he gets out? Is he looking to do something uniquely military? Does he want to deploy? A lot?

Each branch of the service has unique pluses and minuses. And a whole lot more advice would be needed before being able to give any suggestions one way or the other.

24 posted on 06/16/2010 11:43:59 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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Biographies might be the best way to choose a branch, especially for the Marines. The Marine bio I’d recommend is “Chesty.” about General Chesty Puller ... who rose from the ranks.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesty_Puller


25 posted on 06/16/2010 11:44:02 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years.)
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To: keats5

As a former Grunt,I recommend the Air Force wholeheartedly.


26 posted on 06/16/2010 11:44:04 AM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: keats5

If it were my son I would guide him in this order:

Air Force, Navy, Army, Coast Guard

My best friend in High School became a Marine and I went into the Air Force. He regrets not joining the Air Force, Navy or even Army as he would have had a better chance coming out with a marketable skill set.

I have a recent personal experience with the Marines where a family member was poorly treated after becoming paralyzed.


27 posted on 06/16/2010 11:44:08 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: laweeks

Those are good points to consider.


28 posted on 06/16/2010 11:44:13 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

My daughter’s friend did that. He is in Kandahar now.


29 posted on 06/16/2010 11:44:24 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: keats5

Sounds like your kid was a lot like me. Smart, energetic .... bored with College. If he really wants to work both his mind and his body, have him look at special forces. Communication engineer if he likes computers and electronics, construction engineer if he like to blow things up, medial if he wants to go that path.


30 posted on 06/16/2010 11:44:54 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: LifePath
Not to nitpick, but there are no “former Marines” (unless they disgrace the Corps.)

Your son is a Marine, through and through.

Congratulations.

31 posted on 06/16/2010 11:45:42 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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I think the key difference to consider are:

(1) in the Army, you have a wider variety of MOS’s and can truly use your time in the Army as prep for a civilian technical career. The Army relies heavily (or at least moreso than the Marines) on technology to get the job done. The Army is more plodding and bureaucratic. In the Army, you are a soldier as long as you are in; you’ll have your band of brothers, but not like the USMC bonds formed. In the ARMY he’ll encounter more slackers and “why are you even IN the ARMY?” types. Being in the Rangers will help with that.

(2)The biggest difference with the USMC is the ethos and creed and culture and history of the Marines — you become a Marine — it’s what you become as a person as well as what you do. It’s a culture of lifetime physical fitness and discipline. I believe he would be prouder to have become a Marine than to have been a soldier. The USMC has fewer MOS’s, and it’s often lower tech, but he’ll get more training and field ex time with the USMC. I think he’ll enjoy better leadership and opportunities for advancement in the Marines.

My vote will always be for the Marines, but he won;t lose out if he makes it in the Ranger track. He could also consider SEALS or special boat service in the Navy.

My brother was a soldier, who completed Ranger and jump schools but ended up in Sigint in the Corps of Engineers. My dad was a Naval aviator. My mom was a Wave. My middle son is in NROTC-Marine track at Auburn. I was never in as I was NPQ due to a soccer injury. I have been around DoD types for years in my career.


32 posted on 06/16/2010 11:45:51 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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As an Army vet, I say Marines. The officers and NCO’s will prepare you for any combat situation. Too often, Army officers are simply there to get their ticket punched.


33 posted on 06/16/2010 11:46:41 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: counterpunch

Check with the AF, they send the officers out to face the enemy and leave the enlisted back on the base for logistic support.


34 posted on 06/16/2010 11:47:13 AM PDT by Waco
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AIR FORCE- !!!

intellectually, he will find the smartest people there (including supervisors), especially if he has technical interests and talents.

IF he has pretensions on being a lifer, in the long term his assignments may be more stable in a large service like the uS Air Force

But if he has the psyche to kill an enemy face to face, then the USMC. They have the best attitude toward life and authrity and not sweating the small stuff (the US Army obsesses on small stuff, like dates of rank)

Just imho- after 20 years USAF (10 years in Joint Service assigments)


35 posted on 06/16/2010 11:47:15 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Thanks. I was trying to steer him into medical myself. I’m a nurse, so I think like that. However, I’m not sure that’s his area of interest so much anymore. I’ll show him your comment.


36 posted on 06/16/2010 11:47:49 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: keats5

In the Marines he will be associated with the finest people this country has to offer. I enlisted at 19, was commissioned at 20, and intended to stay only a few years. But I enjoyed the Marines I met so much that I made it a career.

Semper Fidelis,


37 posted on 06/16/2010 11:50:00 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in democrat stands for patriotism)
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To: keats5

Air Force and Navy have the best technical training. Army has the worst facilities. Marines get what the Navy doesn’t want.

Forget CIA or FBI without a 4 year degree.


38 posted on 06/16/2010 11:50:34 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: keats5

United States Navy!


39 posted on 06/16/2010 11:50:51 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: BlueLancer

LOL. I wish he would take the ROTC route. I think certain guys just can’t take K-12 schooling and come out looking forward to another 4 years of college. He wants a long break from school, and he’s not going to take it here in our house.


40 posted on 06/16/2010 11:51:01 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: central_va

“Can he squeeze his head in a jar? If so, Marines...”

He has a large head, but he’s determined.


41 posted on 06/16/2010 11:51:46 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: keats5

Whatever his choice of branch, I would recommend he do ROTC and finish school.


42 posted on 06/16/2010 11:52:00 AM PDT by Flightdeck (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: SeaHawkFan

See this slide presentation from of all places, the NYT. It shows Army Medevac team coming to the aid of Marines. After the battle for Iwo Jima, Adm. Nimitz said of the bravery on that island, “Uncommon valor was a common virtue.” These young men carry on that tradition.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/06/13/world/asia/MEDEVAC-slide.html?ref=asia


43 posted on 06/16/2010 11:52:43 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: keats5

My daughter joined the Army right after her 18th birthday. She complains about the Army from time to time but keeps reenlisting. She has been in for 6 years now.

My son enlisted in the Marines, but won’t leave for basic until January. No practical experience yet.


44 posted on 06/16/2010 11:52:54 AM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: keats5

Navy! But if it has to be one of the two choices you gave than the Marine Corps. Definitely!!!!!


45 posted on 06/16/2010 11:52:54 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Retired Greyhound

Coast guard an option?


46 posted on 06/16/2010 11:53:01 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III; keats5

“In a perfect world he could finish a 4 year degree during his enlistment, get out, “

That is extremely difficult for even the most dedicated kids. Deployment schedules make it nearly impossible. Throw in the other priorities he’ll have and its even harder.


47 posted on 06/16/2010 11:53:14 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: keats5

Being an officer in the United States Marine Corps and leading Marines in combat is the thing about my life of which I am most proud. Being a Marine is a life-changing and lifelong experience. It isn’t for everybody, nor should it be. Tell your son to make sure before he makes the commitment...either way.


48 posted on 06/16/2010 11:53:45 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Times Square: A law enforcement success made possible by an intellingence failure.)
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To: keats5

Become an officer in either service.
The food is better.


49 posted on 06/16/2010 11:53:45 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: laweeks

Ug, I know, but I’m trusting that the American people will significantly weaken Obama’s power this November, and completely eradicate it in 2012.


50 posted on 06/16/2010 11:54:03 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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