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Costner-BP skimming operations still slowed by EPA regulations
Flopping Aces ^ | 06-27-10 | Mataharley

Posted on 06/27/2010 2:27:36 PM PDT by Starman417

Mid May, actor Kevin Costner provided BP with oil separation centrifuges for testing in the Gulf of Mexico. After successful and extensive testing in actual sea conditions, plus modifications, BP teamed up with the 25 year old Canadian oilfield waste management company, CCS, and D&L Salvage to formally mount these centrifuges (temporarily mounted on the same barge for testing), using the CCS Contained Separation system for the first of their ocean going 80 thousand tank barrel barges to be deployed for clean up - the Energy 8001. According to the BP's Doug Suttles, the additional 32 centrifuges on order will be used to create four new deepwater systems - two more barges and two 280-foot long offshore supply vessels. The deployed technology will be able to process 128,000 barrels of processing capacity daily.

Currently operations are slow. Vessels of opportunity are rigged with skimming equipment, but once they've gathered their quota of oil, they either need to head into shore, or discharge it to a nearby barge with no oil separations capability. This inefficient operation, requiring untold multiple trips simply to get rid of the skimmers catch, might explain why Mississippi Rep. Gene Taylor and Gulfport residents are livid that no skimmers are working the Mississippi Sound, where the oil is beginning to encroach. With the introduction of the "Energy 8001" series of ocean tank barges, the VOO skimmers will now have a central discharge processing center at sea, thereby allowing them to work further off shore, and for longer periods of time.

Below is the BP posted YouTube of the barge info...

[VIDEO AT SITE]

Read more at floppingaces.net...


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KEYWORDS: bp; costner; oil

1 posted on 06/27/2010 2:27:43 PM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

Nothing but idiots and idiots and idiots as far as the eye can see. Leftist idiocy abounds.


2 posted on 06/27/2010 2:30:38 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: Starman417

Nothing spells success like B-U-R-E-A-U-C-R-A-C-Y!


3 posted on 06/27/2010 2:39:35 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Starman417

Makes sense that Costner would blame his slowness on the government regulations. Couldn’t be his technology, could it?


4 posted on 06/27/2010 2:39:56 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Jim Robinson; xzins; blue-duncan; wagglebee
I think Kevin Costner may become the next Jon Voight after this experience.

Costner is seeing his precious liberalism in action. It does not protect. It only destroys. He invests in something designed to protect the environment and the liberal EPA bureaucracy and the Administration prevent him from using it and put every roadblock up they can while the environment gets ruined.

5 posted on 06/27/2010 2:44:17 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Starman417
Its becoming obvious they dont want it cleaned up.
6 posted on 06/27/2010 2:46:06 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Brilliant

You could be correct, but bureaucratic patterns suggest otherwise.


7 posted on 06/27/2010 2:46:52 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Starman417
 No Skimming
8 posted on 06/27/2010 2:49:04 PM PDT by Tawiskaro
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; blue-duncan

Good observation. Though it must be pointed out that, unlike Kevin Costner, Jon Voight can actually act.


9 posted on 06/27/2010 2:51:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Brilliant
Nope, it's government regulations. One of the climate blogs had a story dealing with the refusal to accept very effective Dutch oil-skimmers. Not because of the Jones Act, but because the technology used, which sucks in massive amounts of oil mixed with sea water, removes virtually all of the oil in usable form, and returns the sea water and some residual oil to the sea violates EPA rules against discharging water mixed with oil into the ocean.

If the Obama administration actually cared about the environoment (as opposed to "caring" about everything the way the left "cares" about things, as a rhetorical excuse for arrogating power to the state), all of the foreign skimmer, Costner's centrifuges, and everything else that's been offered to help would be running full tilt instead of being checked for compliance with regulations that are irrelevant in the face of a disaster of this sort.

10 posted on 06/27/2010 2:56:41 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Gene Eric

I am not suggesting that government regs make any sense. I’m just suggesting that hiring Costner was nothing be a PR move. His technology was doomed from the outset. You can’t run the entire Gulf of Mexico thru his centrifuge.


11 posted on 06/27/2010 2:57:03 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant; Starman417
Makes sense that Costner would blame his slowness on the government regulations. Couldn’t be his technology, could it?

Sometimes the better part about being brilliant is to actually research something instead of making masturbatory snide comments--it feels good to you but doesn't do anyone else any good.

The reason he's having trouble with the EPA is that the effluent from the purification process has a higher level of oil residue than is permitted by the EPA for such an effluent. Never mind that it's cleaned about 99% of the oil out of the water leaving it much cleaner than it was, it's still not as clean as some dork at the EPA pushing outmoded science and technology* says it should be. And so we have a situation where much dirtier water has to be endured because it can't be cleaned up as much as someone else says it should be. This is like saying that you can't have a vaccine against a deadly disease that saves 99 out of 100 victims until you make sure the vaccine saves 99.5 out of every hundred victims.

This is also somewhat like the Bureau of Fish and Wildlife telling folks in Louisiana that they can't build berms to protect the mashes and estuaries because they're "endangered."


*One of my uncles was until recently the CEO of a major midwestern electrical utility for almost 30 years. He's had plenty of experience dealing with the EPA. He said they have to meet the guidelines, but there's no way they would ever, at the EPA's suggestion, take EPA as a parter in renovating things or take government loans, also at the EPA's suggestion, to fund the renovation. He said their science is not state of the art and that their scientists are as outmoded as their techniques.
12 posted on 06/27/2010 2:59:11 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Brilliant

>> You can’t run the entire Gulf of Mexico thru his centrifuge.

I share your skepticism.


13 posted on 06/27/2010 2:59:38 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: P-Marlowe

He should be proud of the government for regulating greedy white males and holding them accountable. /a


14 posted on 06/27/2010 3:04:55 PM PDT by omega4179 (www.jdforsenate.com)
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To: Starman417

Take the P out of EPA!


15 posted on 06/27/2010 3:09:33 PM PDT by lonestar (Barry is furious the big spill wasn't caused by EXXON...would have nationalized it by now.)
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To: aruanan

What portion of the 3.3 million gallons of water in the Gulf of Mexico do you think Costner can put thru his centrifuge? And how much do you think it would cost to do that? His efforts are not going to make the slightest difference in the clean up efforts, no matter what the EPA says. It’s pure PR for BP and the government—nothing more. If he weren’t a celebrity, they would not give him the time of day.


16 posted on 06/27/2010 3:11:55 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

The bureaucrats are always at least ten years behind the technology.


17 posted on 06/27/2010 3:28:03 PM PDT by reg45
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To: Brilliant; aruanan
What portion of the 3.3 million gallons of water in the Gulf of Mexico do you think Costner can put thru his centrifuge

Not sure where you came up with 3.3 million gallon figure ... it's well over 600 quadrillion gallons ... so Dances With Wolves is gonna need a crap load of those centrifuge gizmos.

18 posted on 06/27/2010 3:28:52 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: tx_eggman

Most sane people would assume anyone’s purpose would be to fix the problem as quickly as possible, and that cutting red tape in these special circumstances would be the first thing most of us (sane) people would do.

Conclusion: These folks (The Bammy Gang) don’t WANT it fixed. It’s much more useful as a crisis to be exploited for panicking the public.

What a tragedy.


19 posted on 06/27/2010 3:34:04 PM PDT by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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To: Brilliant
The old cream separator on the farm worked just fine. Took a lot of hand cranking though.

The problem with the Kostner solution seems to be finding something to do with the oil once it is collected. Possible that no one thought of that until now. After all, this is a government operation.

20 posted on 06/27/2010 3:35:23 PM PDT by FreePaul
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To: P-Marlowe

Good post. I’m keeping my eye on Costner too, just the fact that he thought about and approached this in a practical sense without any publicity says something. And, btw, Jon Voight rocks. He mc’d the Memorial Day program at Los Angeles National Cemetery. He is passionately patriotic.


21 posted on 06/27/2010 3:49:06 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: tx_eggman; aruanan
Maybe the skimmers only need to process the top surface. I calculate to top 1/8 inch of the Gulf of Mexico is:

2,270,000,000,000 gallons. That's 2.27 quadrillion gallons.

Skimming any deeper would only add to the amount to be processed. They won't have to process the whole gulf, I hope. That's still a lot of water/oil/etc. to process. I don't know how much the Kostner machines can process per hour but I'll bet that thirty two of them may help a little, just a little. That is as long as the Obama regime doesn't interfere any more.

22 posted on 06/27/2010 4:07:57 PM PDT by FreePaul
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To: FreePaul

I have no doubt that the machine works. But it’s like trying to remove the oil with a spoon. A spoon would work as well.


23 posted on 06/27/2010 4:21:51 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

I hate to make ad hominem attacks, but you really need to either change your screen name, or else start researching and thinking before you comment.

I am no fan of Costner. However, the oil separators linked to his name have been developed by a company funded by Kevin with his older brother, Dan, probably heading up the science & engineering. Check out the animations at their website, http://www.cincmfg.com/category_s/182.htm, to see how the process works. You will probably agree that these machines are better than a spoon.

These separator barges will be used in conjunction with smaller skimmer vessels (often fishing boats pulling booms) to concentrate oily water collected on the surface. This concentrate will then be pumped into the collector barge and later run through the centrifuges. The oil will be stored in tanks on the barge for later transfer to another ship/barge which will transport the oil to the refinery.

The EPA is complaining that the water coming out of the centrifugal separators has more that 15 parts oil per million parts water, the current EPA standard for bilge water discharge. Any sane person would realize that the separator discharge (currently at about 80 ppm) is much, much cleaner that the water in which the barge is floating.

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/costnercentrifugetechnology_062010.htm

In other words, the Costner Brothers equipment is CLEANING UP THE GULF! GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LET THEM ALL GET TO WORK!


24 posted on 06/27/2010 5:15:12 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "Hapana Obama - the speechgiver-in-chief will surely be his own unmanned drone!")
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To: BwanaNdege

I’ll just return the attack... Costner is not going to clean up the Gulf. Yes, his technology works, but the Gulf is a huge place, and the energy that you need to run a centrifuge makes it far too costly to make any noticeable dent in this problem. It’s a fantasy. Like I said in an earlier post, might as well use a spoon. That works too.


25 posted on 06/27/2010 6:26:43 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: opentalk
Its becoming obvious they don't want it cleaned up.

I agree completely! Kevin Costner doesn't get it all. The dead sea bunny body count needs to get much higher before this crisis can be used to sell the left wing envirowacko agenda to enough of the people. They want to ban all hydrocarbon usage. The global warming thing has fizzled on them and they need something new. This is what they are going to be hanging their hat on for the next ten years. No more drilling anywhere!

26 posted on 06/27/2010 6:58:03 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Brilliant
The notion that the four barges/supply tankers couldn't clean the entire Gulf would be valid... if there was a need to clean the entire Gulf.

NOAA regularly posts trajectory maps, and you can see the the latest one here, forecast to June 29th.

Pay careful attention to the color coding of the amount of oil in that trajectory... the majority is light, spotted medium, and the heavy concentration at the well site itself.

The Gulf is the 9th largest body of water in the world, and this spill doesn't even come close to heavily saturating the majority of it. With the centrifuge OWS systems, they can attack the heavy and medium concentrations, as well as the more vunerable marshlands. Sand can be replaced for beaches.

Add Mother Nature, always at work as well. You needn't vacuum the entire areas because, if you break up the spills sufficiently, the ocean's micro'organisms digest the oil and get fat and happy. Add a well placed storm that churns the water, speeds up the degradation process, plus drives the oil further offshore (trajectory towards the Florida panhandle and to the east of the spill) and you could have a perfect "perfect storm" clean up.

I might also ask why you have the impression that running these OWS systems is so costly for energy. The barge is equipped with ample generating power, and the savings from having the smaller skimming boats burn fuel for a ga'zillion more trips to shore is obvious.

27 posted on 06/27/2010 7:59:59 PM PDT by MataHarley
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To: FreePaul
With the centrifuges in the current system, and not counting the 2nd filtration they will have to do (minimally) to appease the EPA, the amount is estimated at 128,000 barrels of oil/water processing daily.

That's equivalent to 224,000 gallons per hour. That WolframAlpha site is darned handy....

28 posted on 06/27/2010 8:24:41 PM PDT by MataHarley
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To: Brilliant

I take it that you believe that since his devices won’t clean the entire gulf in 1 day, they should just be ignored.

That’s not brilliant, that’s dumb.

No the LIMITED amount of devices he has available won’t clean the entire gulf, BUT SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING.


29 posted on 06/27/2010 8:27:22 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: FreePaul
That's still a lot of water/oil/etc. to process. I don't know how much the Kostner machines can process per hour but I'll bet that thirty two of them may help a little, just a little.

32 of Dances With Wolves gizmos can do 6,000,000 gallons a day, do the math.

2.27 quadrillion gallons will take just a bit over 1000 years.

30 posted on 06/28/2010 8:54:22 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: BwanaNdege; Bryan24; Brilliant
Hero of the Gulf: The Feds Fought Costner and Costner Won

Heaven forbid we should ever give props to someone from evil, debauched Hollywood.

31 posted on 06/28/2010 1:00:38 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: Bryan24

Have you ever heard of cost benefit analysis? If the skimmers can pick up thousands of barrels of oil per day just by scooping it up, and doing away with the centrifuge, and they can do so until hell freezes over because there is that much oil, then why would you spend a lot more per barrel to run a centrifuge?


32 posted on 06/28/2010 4:32:55 PM PDT by Brilliant
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