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The NRA Betrays Itself
The Nav Log ^ | 7/28/10 | gps333@charter.net

Posted on 07/28/2010 1:21:55 PM PDT by pabianice

28 July 2010

© gps333@charter.net

The DISCLOSE Act is being debated in the US Senate, with the Democrats as yet unable to break a filibuster. In short, the DISCLOSE Act would prohibit people and groups from speaking against Democrats and Liberals before an election. Democrat favorites, like the thugish labor unions (SEIU, teachers’ unions) would be exempt.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) has lately begun identifying itself as a civil rights group, as they believe the right to defend yourself or your family is the most basic of civil rights. This is a hard argument to lose. If we can’t keep someone else from killing us or our families, can we enjoy any civil rights? This writer has long been an NRA member but may now quit the group.

I am very disappointed to learn that the NRA backs the unconstitutional DISCLOSE Act in return for being exempted from the bill’s restraints. The NRA’s support for Senator Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader, is just icing on the cake. Reid may be a luke-warm supporter of the right to own rifles, but he has spent a career cursing gun owners and pushing to make handguns illegal.

In all, this behavior by the NRA indicates that the organization has abandoned its support of the Bill of Rights, especially the First Amendment, freedom of speech, and may now become part of the problem. The most likely explanation is expediency; that freedom for the moment to be able to speak freely is worth losing that right, and indeed the entire organization, in the long run. But as Ben Franklin is famously quoted as saying: “They that would sacrifice an essential liberty for a momentary security deserve neither liberty nor security.”

Until the NRA explains itself convincingly, I assert that the organization is selling its soul to the Devil and in doing so, betraying the 70,000,000 lawful gun owners in the United States.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; nra

1 posted on 07/28/2010 1:21:57 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Equal before the law has taken on new meaning with the jug eared jackass.

I have to say, I have had my suspicions about the NRA for a long time. The Second Amendment was their fund-raising tool ....


2 posted on 07/28/2010 1:27:24 PM PDT by Tarpon (Obama-Speak ... the fusion of sophistry and Newspeak. It's not a gift, it's just lies.)
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To: pabianice

With so many out there willing, or wanting to take down the NRA for multiple reasons, I’m taking a wait for the explanation of the action, and see direction.

Once the NRA comes out with their reasoning for their action, then I will assess my over twenty year relationship with them.


3 posted on 07/28/2010 1:28:16 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Liberalism draws criminals as excrement draws flies. Liberals are only good for bait.)
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To: pabianice

S.E.C. No Evil - Under chairman Christopher Cox, the commission has undermined and demoralized its enforcement staff.

Under former SEC Chairman Christopher Cox, the agency instituted policies that slowed cases and led enforcement-unit lawyers to conclude commissioners opposed fining companies

Garbage In, Garbage Out...

4 posted on 07/28/2010 1:31:00 PM PDT by Errant
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To: rockinqsranch

Life member for 15 years or so...
I called NRA when this news turned up and let them know I did not approve. The guy on the other end said I was not the first to call but was among the few that had been civil.


5 posted on 07/28/2010 1:36:14 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: pabianice; All
As an NRA Endowing Member, I say it's not time to resign from the NRA and turn it over to the libs who are rapidly penetrating it. Rather, we need to do what was done roughly 25 or 30 years ago in a similar crisis of the soul: CLEAN HOUSE AND GET RID OF THE LIBS.
6 posted on 07/28/2010 1:38:37 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: pabianice
Yes, the NRA is suppose to be defending our 2nd Amendment rights.

Not making deals with those who would destroy our 1st Amendment rights.

All 10 of the Bill of Rights stand together

7 posted on 07/28/2010 1:42:36 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: libstripper

Yep, just like many of the Churches, local GOP and so-called conservative talking heads, we’ve been infiltrated and the only way to resolve it is by taking back the NRA and voting out the RATS.


8 posted on 07/28/2010 1:50:08 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: pabianice

I just cancelled my NRA membership yesterday, and I’ve convinced about two dozen people to do the same since then. Total doucebaggery on the NRA’s part, and I hope they die a slow, agonizing death.


9 posted on 07/28/2010 1:56:17 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Errant

Coxucker.


10 posted on 07/28/2010 2:00:12 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: pabianice

“NRA backs the unconstitutional DISCLOSE Act in return for being exempted from the bill’s restraints”

I believe they agreed not to oppose the bill, not that they were in favor of it (equivalent to a president not vetoing a bill but not signing it either thereby allowing it to become law). Stupid move, either way, but as I noted in an earlier post, their argument is that they are a one issue organization IAW an editorial by Chris Cox in the latest American Rifleman. They will definitely feel the heat from members over this and the potential endorsement of Reid.


11 posted on 07/28/2010 2:04:42 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: pabianice

I dropped my NRA membership because of the groups willingness to make a deal with the devil in DC and sell out the American people. Three separate emails were sent to NRA members for the purpose of explaining the groups position and reasoning on the Disclose act betrayal. THREE!! In other words, the NRA heard form countless members, indignant over it’s disgraceful behavior. And now, the organization is supporting HARRY REID because of his sterling record on the 2nd amendment!!! And yeah, it’s THAT HARRY REID...the one who voted in favor of the Brady Bill!!! I’ve no idea how many NRA members have refused to renew their membership. Perhaps I’m the only one. But I certainly wouldn’t BET on it.


12 posted on 07/28/2010 2:07:33 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: snowrip

“I hope they die a slow, agonizing death.

Changing the leadership is a more appropriate path. Just quitting the outfit in protest is less effective but does send a message.

If they died tomorrow, there would be no group to fill the void with the power and influence they have had historically - GOA, SAF, and SAS are not known by >90% of the public, probably including a fair amount of gun owners. The equivalence here is changing the leadership of the GOP to “real conservatives.” not hoping that the GOP “die a slow agonizing death.”

You need to think out the potential negative consequential results if such statements became true prior to making them.


13 posted on 07/28/2010 2:20:33 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: pabianice

Ben Franklin is famously quoted as saying: “They that would sacrifice an essential liberty for a momentary security deserve neither liberty nor security.” AND I add, they deserve the same agonizing death, as the masters they have chosen to serve.....

“You are either with us or against us”- President Bush 2001.


14 posted on 07/28/2010 2:50:00 PM PDT by Gator113 (God save the Republic.....)
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To: Oldpuppymax
I dropped my NRA membership because of the groups willingness to make a deal with the devil in DC and sell out the American people.

You are far from being the only one, my FRiend. To hell with them.

15 posted on 07/28/2010 3:19:58 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: surely_you_jest

They called our office yesterday asking for my husband. I took the call instead and gave the guy a nice refusal to renew. Told him why. He actually had the nerve to ask if I would just give a donation instead. I laughed at him.


16 posted on 07/28/2010 3:31:34 PM PDT by I_be_tc
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To: I_be_tc

Good for you! Hooo-rah.


17 posted on 07/28/2010 3:44:31 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: pabianice

I don’t have any civil rights, my rights are inalienable.


18 posted on 07/28/2010 3:53:08 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: pabianice

The NRA dropped its pants in 1968, and have been ankle grabbers ever since.

They do not support a personal right to hand guns unless you are a member of the elite. They were forced into the DC case by other gun rights orgs, and they tried hard to keep it from going to the SCOTUS.

They are the handgun owner’s worst enemy.
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19 posted on 07/28/2010 4:19:36 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: libstripper; Zathras

“Rather, we need to do what was done roughly 25 or 30 years ago in a similar crisis of the soul: CLEAN HOUSE AND GET RID OF THE LIBS.”

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How do you propose to do that?

The NRA’s charter gives all control to the nominating committee in selecting directors. They can also expand the board at will.
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20 posted on 07/28/2010 4:25:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: secondamendmentkid

“Changing the leadership is a more appropriate path”

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Explain how you’re going to do that.
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21 posted on 07/28/2010 4:27:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
You ask a good question.
The answer is using the same method SEIU uses to shake down corporations. Show up at NRA conventions in-mass and demand changes.

I actually like the NRA but if they support Reid its going to make Bush's support for immigration look like a brilliant idea.

22 posted on 07/28/2010 4:45:39 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: AvOrdVet

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23 posted on 07/28/2010 4:48:07 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: AvOrdVet

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24 posted on 07/28/2010 4:48:50 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: AvOrdVet

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25 posted on 07/28/2010 4:49:31 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: AvOrdVet

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26 posted on 07/28/2010 4:50:15 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: rockinqsranch

Why is it our side is always soooo ready to abandon ship? Cut off their nose to spite their face. I’m with you.


27 posted on 07/28/2010 4:53:10 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: snowrip

Now that’s the way to keep our Second Amendment rights! /s


28 posted on 07/28/2010 4:55:14 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Explain how you’re going to do that”.

One person doesn’t do squat. If NRA as a group doesn’t get the msg from numerous members, they will get it in lost membership or in changes to the board which will effectuate the needed change.

So what is your point? Are you a member of NRA or a cheap shot artist?


29 posted on 07/28/2010 7:44:20 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: secondamendmentkid

The NRA has lost half of its membership since ‘96 but it doesn’t seem to phase anyone.

I resigned my life membership in ‘96 and they have sent me a new “free” membership card every year since, along with all their literature. You can’t quit if they refuse to let you.

Their reserves are huge, and they are operating off of their earnings. They don’t care what we think.
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30 posted on 07/28/2010 7:57:31 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: AvOrdVet

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31 posted on 07/29/2010 4:15:33 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: editor-surveyor; libstripper; Zathras

Further, how do you get rid of the liberal members who are a big part of the problem.

Answer, you can’t.


32 posted on 07/29/2010 9:47:14 AM PDT by Eaker (Pablo is very wily)
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